Dear EVE players,

I'm a newcomer to the DUST/EVE universe and up until today knew next to nothing about how **** goes down in New Eden. Well, I finally decided to do some research, and holy balls, I've only just started to scratched the surface and already I'm alarmed by the amount of piracy, scamming, and general ass-hattery that seems to go on in it.

So basically, I have a two-part question:

1) Is EVE really as ruthless and unforgiving as it seems?
2) If so, what does this mean for DUST? Has CCP mentioned trying to tone down some of those aspects to give more "casual" players a chance?

Dear EVE players,

I'm a newcomer to the DUST/EVE universe and up until today knew next to nothing about how **** goes down in New Eden. Well, I finally decided to do some research, and holy balls, I've only just started to scratch the surface and already I'm alarmed by the amount of piracy, scamming, and general ass-hattery that seems to go on in it.

So basically, I have a two-part question:

1) Is EVE really as ruthless and unforgiving as it seems?
2) If so, what does this mean for DUST? Has CCP mentioned trying to tone down some of those aspects to give more "casual" players a chance?

Put it this way

A EVE corp may hire your DUST corp to take down a planet

The DUST corp may take it because its a juicy profit for everyone and may not really care about who they are fighting, the same EVE corp may then use another corp to get some defenders into place

As the match starts both EVE corps may have 1 person on the filed of play maybe even in both DUST corps, the match may go on for 10mins with both sides doing okay and its a close match

Then if and when the EVE players get bored they may just unleash OB from 100ships thanks to the players they have on the ground and just kill everyone for the fun of it and it will also include the hiring corp killing the corp they hired so teamkilling just for ***** n giggles


If they can do it, it will happen, someone will do it and its a just a matter of when

See, it's stuff like this I'm concerned about. I was reading about peoples' experiences on DayZ the other day and it was basically "spawn -> run into some other guy -> [optional: other guy pretends to be friendly for a while] -> get raeped -> repeat"; a lot of people were saying it's basically like that because that's(apparently) the only way to turn an "otherwise boring game" fun.

I was hoping(foolishly I guess, because my hopes were largely unsubstantiated) that this game would be different, and really provide the compelling, realistic feel I'm looking for. But I guess people can only get off on mindlessly killing others, whether it's in a run-and-gun CoD type game or one where you have to plan and scheme and use real-world market manipulation and social engineering tactics.

Ugh, internet, I am disappoint.

So in short, EVE and DUST are more "srs bzns" than games?

I'm still not clear on what they're truly about really.

I think it would be a good idea for CCP to include a brief introduction/explanation video before you start DUST for the first time.

Hah! CCP has about as much idea of what's going on in the EVE meta-game as anyone else. a 4 min video is not going to prepare anyone for the depth and complexity that awaits them. Of course you only need to worry about that depth if it's something that interests you.

Although, for a casual player the in depth political stuff that goes on with sovereignty/planets in EVE probably won't affect the way you play the game at all.

Not everyone is a sleeze bag

Only the successful ones.

In a capitalist society, it's certainly the highway there

In a capitalist society, it's certainly the highway there

Is anyone going to come in here and show me that there's a glimmer of decency in this hellhole?

See, maybe I'm not getting my point across exactly. I'm totally on board with realistic politics/economics, sovereignty wars, corporate espionage; that's the reason I even became interested in DUST to begin with. The problem I have is when players start using all of these elements(intelligently and cunningly no less!) just so that they can blow up some guys or troll somebody who's spent months building up a company.

Not to actually achieve anything or shift the balance of power or whatever, just so that they can laugh and point at somebody and say "ahahaha you suuuuuuck neener neener neener."

I don't know, how is it even possible for someone to possess both characteristics?

EVE's not really my bag (tried the demo, barely got beyond character creation), but I get the feeling that the outside media coverage makes it seem more intimidating than it actually is.

You're not going to see Cracked lists about all the nice things people have done for each other in an MMO or all the times that people aren't screwed over. It's the massive heists, pyramid schemes, and ganking that cause virtual ink to spill.

This is not to say that it isn't the wild west, though. It's just probably not quite as bad as we, the uninitiated, hear on the intertubes.

Dear EVE players,

I'm a newcomer to the DUST/EVE universe and up until today knew next to nothing about how **** goes down in New Eden. Well, I finally decided to do some research, and holy balls, I've only just started to scratch the surface and already I'm alarmed by the amount of piracy, scamming, and general ass-hattery that seems to go on in it.

So basically, I have a two-part question:

1) Is EVE really as ruthless and unforgiving as it seems?
2) If so, what does this mean for DUST? Has CCP mentioned trying to tone down some of those aspects to give less psychotic players a chance?

EDIT: Just for the record, I'm all for ruthless and unforgiving as long as it's actually used to achieve something. Cruelty for the sake of cruelty is what I'm really concerned about.

Dear EVE players,

I'm a newcomer to the DUST/EVE universe and up until today knew next to nothing about how **** goes down in New Eden. Well, I finally decided to do some research, and holy balls, I've only just started to scratch the surface and already I'm alarmed by the amount of piracy, scamming, and general ass-hattery that seems to go on in it.

So basically, I have a two-part question:

1) Is EVE really as ruthless and unforgiving as it seems?
2) If so, what does this mean for DUST? Has CCP mentioned trying to tone down some of those aspects to give less psychotic players a chance?

EDIT: Just for the record, I'm all for ruthless and unforgiving as long as it's actually used to achieve something. Cruelty for the sake of cruelty is what I'm really concerned about.

EVE's not really my bag (tried the demo, barely got beyond character creation), but I get the feeling that the outside media coverage makes it seem more intimidating than it actually is.

You're not going to see Cracked lists about all the nice things people have done for each other in an MMO or all the times that people aren't screwed over. It's the massive heists, pyramid schemes, and ganking that cause virtual ink to spill.

This is not to say that it isn't the wild west, though. It's just probably not quite as bad as we, the uninitiated, hear on the intertubes.

Dear EVE players,

I'm a newcomer to the DUST/EVE universe and up until today knew next to nothing about how **** goes down in New Eden. Well, I finally decided to do some research, and holy balls, I've only just started to scratch the surface and already I'm alarmed by the amount of piracy, scamming, and general ass-hattery that seems to go on in it.

So basically, I have a two-part question:

1) Is EVE really as ruthless and unforgiving as it seems?
2) If so, what does this mean for DUST? Has CCP mentioned trying to tone down some of those aspects to give less psychotic players a chance?

EDIT: Just for the record, I'm all for ruthless and unforgiving as long as it's actually used to achieve something. Cruelty for the sake of cruelty is what I'm really concerned about.

Examples of how ruthless Eve really is (the below are all legitimate gameplay activities endorsed by CCP):


1 - Join an industrial Corp with the sole intention of ganking every single one of their mining ships and then daring them to undock so you can kill them again.

<---- Guilty of said crime

2 - Join a random Corp and play nice until you gain access to the corp wallet/assets, steal everything they own, start a share vote to kick out the CEO, then ransom the Corp itself back to the original owners (actually returning the Corp is optional).

<---- Has alliance mates that do this all the time

3 - Set up fake courier contracts and gank whoever tries to actually do the delivery thereby costing the courier the collateral money + the cost of his ship and implants.

<---- Guilty of said crime

4 - Convince an Alliance-level Director to defect after stealing everything not nailed down, kicking every single member of the alliance (thousands of players), and then disbanding the alliance so all territory is instantly lost.

<----- I laughed my ass off when we did this to BoB and laughed just as hard when Karttoon did the same to us.

5 - Create fake contracts, scam contracts, fake investment schemes, and fake trades with the sole purpose of lying, cheating, and stealing anything possible from fellow players.

<---- Guilty of said crime

6 - Blowing up EVERY ship that dares to undock from an enemy station after destroying the cloning and ship services so that anyone who dies loses skill points on every death and can't even fit a ship for combat with the sole purpose of making them not to want to log into Eve.

<---- Guilty of purging the unclean from the RIT triangle

Examples of how ruthless Eve really is (the below are all legitimate gameplay activities endorsed by CCP):


1 - Join an industrial Corp with the sole intention of ganking every single one of their mining ships and then daring them to undock so you can kill them again.

<---- Guilty of said crime

2 - Join a random Corp and play nice until you gain access to the corp wallet/assets, steal everything they own, start a share vote to kick out the CEO, then ransom the Corp itself back to the original owners (actually returning the Corp is optional).

<---- Has alliance mates that do this all the time

3 - Set up fake courier contracts and gank whoever tries to actually do the delivery thereby costing the courier the collateral money + the cost of his ship and implants.

<---- Guilty of said crime

4 - Convince an Alliance-level Director to defect after stealing everything not nailed down, kicking every single member of the alliance (thousands of players), and then disbanding the alliance so all territory is instantly lost.

<----- I laughed my ass off when we did this to BoB and laughed just as hard when Karttoon did the same to us.

5 - Create fake contracts, scam contracts, fake investment schemes, and fake trades with the sole purpose of lying, cheating, and stealing anything possible from fellow players.

<---- Guilty of said crime

6 - Blowing up EVERY ship that dares to undock from an enemy station after destroying the cloning and ship services so that anyone who dies loses skill points on every death and can't even fit a ship for combat with the sole purpose of making them not to want to log into Eve.

<---- Guilty of purging the unclean from the RIT triangle

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I have never personally had issue with goon swarm because if you really pay attention you can avoid there pathetic attempts at trollery and scamming but alas far to many people to indeed do fall victim to them. I do dearly hope we do something to in some way harm them with dust. Not getting my hopes up though =/.