... and if the owner dies then the override code goes team-wide and anyone can take control of the vehicle.

(Conceivably your team could defend or relinquish it back to the owner when they respawn. The reclaim driver seat option could also continue regardless of death, as long as the vehicle is intact).

Sounds like a plan to me.


EDIT: the 5-10 second initial lockout should also be driver's position only, and although non-essential it would be good to hear say three bleeps to count down the end of your 10-20 second lockout period. Like I said, non-essential but fair warning.

It seems like a reasonable idea. Just one thing that needs to be clarified. This is gonna sound stupid but will you be able to do this on your veichle that YOU have ordered right?

That's a decent idea - there certainly needs to be some kind of measure to prevent your expensive ride being pinched. I was thinking along the lines of a 10-15 second delay from you getting out of the craft during which the pilot seat is locked, but an 'eject from drivers seat' button is pretty good too. After some of the matches I've had with dumb passengers/gunners recently I wouldn't mind an 'eject passenger from vehicle' button.

That's a decent idea - there certainly needs to be some kind of measure to prevent your expensive ride being pinched. I was thinking along the lines of a 10-15 second delay from you getting out of the craft during which the pilot seat is locked, but an 'eject from drivers seat' button is pretty good too. After some of the matches I've had with dumb passengers/gunners recently I wouldn't mind an 'eject passenger from vehicle' button.

dude happend to me last night lost at LEAST 1.1 million isk in one match. DUDE TOOK THE TANK TWICE!! we were about to get spawned owned. Thinking to myself, if i spawn my sagaris I can possibly take out the enemy tank. Spawned then immediatly spawned my tank walked away so I wouldnt get crushed by it then dude spawns right next to it jacks it then runs it into the other tank like it was a bumper car or something, its as though he went full ****** forgot tanks had guns and proceded to try to drive up to the guy and deliver him pizza. Why would you do that WHY!!!

This should only work like you said if there is no one in the driver seat . But if someone took your seat it's your problem it is nobodys fault but yours. You shouldn't be able to force someone out of a seat because you got out of it.

Of course you should be able to force someone out. If you bought the vehicle, it should be entirely under your control until it's destroyed. The vehicle's owner should be able to eject people from their vehicle's seats as they see fit. Stealing your team mate's expensive vehicles is not a gameplay feature that CCP should be supporting.

1)So if the enemy gets out of their vehicle we shouldn't be able to hack it then because it's theirs correct.

2)Or if there is no one in it it is fair game enemy or not.

^which statement sounds correct^

1. Enemy vehicles DON'T let you just hop in. They prevent you from doing so, which is WHY you have to hack them.

2. There's nobody there, or there's only a gunner, fair game to start driving, but if the owner finds it, he's going to ask for his stuff back. If he's not an enemy (i.e you didn't hack it), you're going to give it back, because he's not an enemy. And you didn't hack it, so he has override access and you don't.

tank drivers gonna agree with tank drivers, merks gonna agree with merks

next somone will say im a merk and support this

but what about that annoying guy on your team with the militia tank on the tower blasting away at the MCC with the Gunner turret??

your saying you wouldnt jump in that tank and roll it off the tower??

This should only work like you said if there is no one in the driver seat . But if someone took your seat it's your problem it is nobodys fault but yours. You shouldn't be able to force someone out of a seat because you got out of it.

Bull****, I'm 100% merc, but if and when I order a frigg'n piece of equipment to the battlefield, I damn well want interlocks on it so I can use it for the mission I intended it for, not so I can donate it to some noob who is too clueless to know bettter or some moron who works against his own teammates.

Great idea, OP, +1. Howeveeeeerrrr.......for consistency, if we can hack enemy ships and hop in and use them, then it kinda makes sense that we can hack freindly ships and hop in and use them. I really like your idea, it feels 'right', but I think we need to find a way to make it fit the game.

Maybe hacking and stealing a merc's deployables automatically deducts the isk/AUR from his pocket and puts it back in yours. If he doesn't have the isk/AUR to pay for it then he can hack it just to be a prick, but he can't use it. This is just my idea, I don't really like it tbqh, I'd like somebody to come up with a better one.

Also, I'd like the ability to order equipment to the field and GIVE it to a teammate.

+ 1 OP this needs to be in.
Might spend the coming weeks just stealing tanks and dieing like a bad noob. I'm a very very bad tank dirver.

Might get enuf to rage to get em in here

but what about that annoying guy on your team with the militia tank on the tower blasting away at the MCC with the Gunner turret??

your saying you wouldnt jump in that tank and roll it off the tower??

Seems like we have parallel threads discussing the same thing now. I added a few suggestions to Darky's other thread that might be worth others looking at on the same subject:

Force switching position on vehicles
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27681&find=unread

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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=199286#post199286

6 days earlier.

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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=199286#post199286

6 days earlier.

+1 for some good ideas there, although I feel they may be a little over-powered. I don't really think you should be able to stop the vehicle remotely or blow it up, those kind of functions are probably open to too much abuse or will confuse other players. If you are simply locked out of a driver seat then at least you know what's (not) happening. Driving off with a Dship or tank that suddenly lands or stops moving for no apparent reason would be confusing and annoying in equal measure, even if it is fairer for the driver.

@ Mr Vito - +1 but as I mentioned earlier, as I see it, the problem with a skill-based lock out is you may end up with an empty vehicle that no-one can access taking up a vehicle slot that no-one on your team can use (ie. one of the limited number of vehicles available per team), which would disadvantage your team. Allowing anyone access when the driver has died or left the vehicle for a significant length of time means this isn't an issue.

There may be a way to use a skill-based denial system (which does make sense as far as it goes), but I can't see a way around the 'dead vehicle' issue, unless you start 'de-rezzing' perfectly good vehicles after a certain length of time, which makes no sense in the lore and isn't a very elegant solution either. If anyone can think of one I'd love to hear it though.

I'm intrigued to see what CCP do here. 10 to 1 they do nothing at all.

The difference? Say someone is hacking your tank and no allies are around to secure it, (aka. prevent the hack) You trigger the Self Destruct mechanism, and you now have an option to get rid of both the hacker and compromised technology. If the hacker doesn't check for the self-destruct in time he'll blow up with the tank if he attempts to get into it, as only the Owner menu would display the destruct timer.

That way you have a tactical method of disposal so your custom builds are not used against you.

thats part of the game why would ccp give you the option to blow it up next someone will want to remove the hacks so the enemy cant take their vehicle just like they want to be able to kick people out of the driver seat. The vehicle is no longer your vehicle once you leave the driver seat after that its who ever jumps in friendly or enemy.

OMG I figured you EVE guys would understand the part about you the driver making the DECISION to hop out that is one of the favorite words on the forum. If the driver decides to hop out and someone decides to hop in his tank. You can either decide to call in another tank or decide to walk your happy ass around.

I can see an argument that a pilot/driver should never leave their vehicle and if they do so they forfeit any rights to their expensive kit, but I don't agree with it. As the purchaser of the vehicle I think you should have some kind of control over what you purchased above and beyond the rest of the team, especially with the high costs of the equipment.

At the very least there's no way someone should be able to steal your ride when it's first delivered, which is always a risk unless you run off into the blue yonder whenever you want to order up transport.

Hold the phone. I just thought of an alternate way to manage all this:

As long as the driver/pilot is within a certain distance of the vehicle, say a 20 metres/yard radius, the driver seat is locked for team-members. If the driver dies or wanders beyond this zone then the driver seat unlocks and the vehicle can be taken.

That might be the simplest solution of all. No need to kick players, no need for extra buttons or combos, no worries about vehicle delivery and all automatic. It even lets team-mates GTA if they are watching the pilot's distance-from-vehicle. Comments/criticisms?

Chihiro, I MAY have found a slight flaw in your plan.

What happens when the owner WANTS to be a gunner instead of the driver?

If you automate it such that when they're in the vehicle and not in the driver's seat another player can take over, that leaves us with the same problem we have now where your teammates can hijack your vehicle and you can't do anything about it, but if you make it so they can't take over, you can't let your allies take control of your vehicle without having to actively run AWAY from it.

Giving the owning player a simple "hold triangle to swap into driver's seat" option would be less problematic, imo.

Chihiro, I MAY have found a slight flaw in your plan.

What happens when the owner WANTS to be a gunner instead of the driver?

If you automate it such that when they're in the vehicle and not in the driver's seat another player can take over, that leaves us with the same problem we have now where your teammates can hijack your vehicle and you can't do anything about it, but if you make it so they can't take over, you can't let your allies take control of your vehicle without having to actively run AWAY from it.

Giving the owning player a simple "hold triangle to swap into driver's seat" option would be less problematic, imo.