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Lurchasaurus
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:41:00 -
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Disclaimer: Made this in my Dust withdrawal induced anger while reading nonsense whining on the forums...
ahem...
The quality of gamers has decreased over the years.....its sad.
i remember back in the day when everyone was exploding with happiness when 3d games came out and people were astounded by the leaps and bounds developers were showing in game design when games tried to do something new.
nowadays, we cant go a day without someone complaining that a game which is trying to stir up the waters is not a carbon copy of a now money-grabbing, no innovation series like COD. For some reason, people feel the need to complain about a game still in testing phases, posting videos while dodging an NDA, telling prospective players the game sucks....
How dare you undermine CCP's efforts by negatively promoting, under NDA, a game that is not finished.
This game is in a CLOSED Beta....you were INVITED to TEST this game in order to help CCP further the creation of their own ideas and aspirations for this game....not yours, not some EVE/COD/MAG/BF3 player's, not mine.....if you can't handle objectively testing a game while giving constructive feedback, then why did you ask to join the beta? You rage quit and don't want to help? Fine. We will see you when the game launches.
CCP owes nothing to anyone, also a thought for those who complain about being gipped by the merc pack... |
Bresker Veyne
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:42:00 -
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Amen |
xprotoman23
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:43:00 -
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cliffnotes: LMP (Like My Post) |
W0olley
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:45:00 -
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This is all I could think of while trying to read the OP.
Get over yourself dude, nobody cares. |
Armatsu
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:46:00 -
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how do we lock the topic and make it so everyone that joins the forums has to read this post? |
xprotoman23
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:48:00 -
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W0olley wrote:This is all I could think of while trying to read the OP. Get over yourself dude, nobody cares.
Haha |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:48:00 -
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This is the stupidest thread I've seen so far. Complaining about people complaining about a beta on the forums for the beta BUT CLOSED NDA.
That **** ain't closed in HERE bro. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:50:00 -
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thread about whining.
great |
xprotoman23
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:52:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:thread about whining.
great
Where's Crynage??? |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:55:00 -
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That simpsons pic was funny as hell
Umallon Macross wrote:This is the stupidest thread I've seen so far. Complaining about people complaining about a beta on the forums for the beta BUT CLOSED NDA.
That **** ain't closed in HERE bro.
There have been numerous cases of people posting vids on youtube, talking negatively on other public forums, etc.
As far as what's going on in these forums, it doesn't matter that we can freely discuss the game in here. It doesn't change the fact that much of what we see is just complaining and negative feedback that isn't even in the feedback section... |
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2012.07.19 00:56:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:thread about whining.
great
hey, you saw the disclaimer.......withdrawals son |
Velvet Overkill
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:04:00 -
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Cannot reephasize this enough: Enable voice chat under System Operations -> Options so you can here others. |
Nexus Cavor
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:05:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Disclaimer: Made this in my Dust withdrawal induced anger while reading nonsense whining on the forums...
ahem...
The quality of gamers has decreased over the years.....its sad.
i remember back in the day when everyone was exploding with happiness when 3d games came out and people were astounded by the leaps and bounds developers were showing in game design when games tried to do something new.
nowadays, we cant go a day without someone complaining that a game which is trying to stir up the waters is not a carbon copy of a now money-grabbing, no innovation series like COD. For some reason, people feel the need to complain about a game still in testing phases, posting videos while dodging an NDA, telling prospective players the game sucks....
How dare you undermine CCP's efforts by negatively promoting, under NDA, a game that is not finished.
This game is in a CLOSED Beta....you were INVITED to TEST this game in order to help CCP further the creation of their own ideas and aspirations for this game....not yours, not some EVE/COD/MAG/BF3 player's, not mine.....if you can't handle objectively testing a game while giving constructive feedback, then why did you ask to join the beta? You rage quit and don't want to help? Fine. We will see you when the game launches.
CCP owes nothing to anyone, also a thought for those who complain about being gipped by the merc pack...
I thought I got invited to challenge tanks like yours and turn an awesome battlefield into an EPIC battlefield?
CCP does owe me something though. They made two games more addicting than any known substance to mankind. I feel like they should at least pay for my therapy... Which consists of playing said two games... |
deathx assassin
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:05:00 -
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Amen to that Lurchasaurus. It is awesome to be invited to play a game in the closed beta phase. You get to play the game before it comes out. You get to give feedback to the developers to make the game better and to point out bugs, so they can fix them to be sure the game runs great. I like to sometimes sign up to play games in the closed beta, it gives me the chance to try the game out and see what I would need to do when the game is released to the public. It would be good to play the game all week, but thursday, friday, saturday, and sunday are good. So far my standards for the games, is that as long as it has a good story line, a good multiplayer, the game is constantly getting updated and maintained. Or even if the game is only online multiplayer, like this one or mag, as long as its a good multiplayer game, and gets updated and maintained, that's good enough for me. I am playing GRFS and the multiplayer is good, but the game has some lagging and I getting kicked off the server sometimes, which is not good. I might end up trading it in. I know assassin's creed revelation multiplayer and story line is good, its just right now the internet signal for my internet to play the game is low, so I can not play it right now, but other games like dust 514 and GRFS have good internet signal for me, its just for GRFS, its the servers that are messed up. I bought the merc pack and I think its was a good thing I did that. I like dust 514, its a good game and I look forward to its release and playing it for a long time. Also these standards that I typed in this reply are for games that are in open beta and for games that are officially released to the public. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:10:00 -
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Wait a minute!... I need my monacle.  |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:13:00 -
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I remember we were satisfied with Golden Eye 64.
We were so excited with the four player option. The chance to share that crowded split-screen.
Your friends running around with the ultimate over powered weapon: the golden gun.
We have lost touch with all of that. We evolved, but in reality....was it for the better.
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Aijul
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
55
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:29:00 -
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I agree to an extent, but our standards have evolved with the games.
I try to provide constructive criticism to the game to make it better, not needlessly trash it to vent my frustration. I understand the point of a beta such as this is to gauge player reactions, and as a result modify the technical aspects or mechanics to improve upon it, but I just felt utterly disappointed when I first played to then find out they were planning to release in August. To be honest when I first tried the game, I felt like uninstalling immediately. It just seemed to be in the state of pre-alpha, let alone beta compared to other titles I have tested in either closed or public events.
I came across:
-Unresponsive menus and controls
-Graphics which are not on par to a PS3 title made in 2006 (in addition to graphical errors)
-Being unable to play without dying 10 seconds after spawning
-Generic gunplay and style
-Over half of the key features missing or partially implemented
-An overall lack of proper guidance for new players unfamiliar with DUST or EVE
Then I spent about an hour talking to some players who helped me get acquainted with the interface and what the game had to offer. Given the feedback here and information viewed through key conferences, I joined the forum to track the great ideas the developers and members had for the game.
As I said before, it has potential, but I'm not going to lie and say that nothing has to be done in order for that potential to be reached. |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:33:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:That simpsons pic was funny as hell Umallon Macross wrote:This is the stupidest thread I've seen so far. Complaining about people complaining about a beta on the forums for the beta BUT CLOSED NDA.
That **** ain't closed in HERE bro. There have been numerous cases of people posting vids on youtube, talking negatively on other public forums, etc. As far as what's going on in these forums, it doesn't matter that we can freely discuss the game in here. It doesn't change the fact that much of what we see is just complaining and negative feedback that isn't even in the feedback section...
"Disclaimer: Made this in my Dust withdrawal induced anger while reading nonsense whining on the forums..."
Your establishing sentence indicated that you were talking about THESE FORUMS. You said NOTHING to imply you were talking about anything else.
I don't know what kind of favors you think you're going to get from brown nosing, but its pretty funny I must say.
Beta is beta and beta forums are FOR complaining. That's the POINT. It isn't a lovely chummy place were you can discuss your poodles over a cup of tea, its a place for those invited to the beta to state their comments, requests, and concerns.
If people are stupid enough to decide that Dust is crap based on videos and comments based on a closed beta, then that's their problem. Whining about it here on the forums isn't going to accomplish anything. Sorry you wasted your time. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:57:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:"Disclaimer: Made this in my Dust withdrawal induced anger while reading nonsense whining on the forums..."
Your establishing sentence indicated that you were talking about THESE FORUMS. You said NOTHING to imply you were talking about anything else.
You've heard of "talking about other parts of the internet on a forum" right?
You know it's not a myth, right?
You know there have been quite a lot of "someone breaking NDA on YouTube/wherever" threads IN THESE FORUMS, right?
People are talking ABOUT the NDA breaches on here. So yes, reading these forums DOES give you reason to be angry at people talking outside of them.
Just saying. |
Antilles Maximus
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
80
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:10:00 -
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I especially like the fact that there is nothing better (game related) to talk about...
The forum topics have changed drastically in the past couple of weeks, from game relevant discussions to whinners and trolling.
CCP must be doing something right with DUST development if the "beta testers" have no "beta" topics to post... |
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Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:11:00 -
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Why? Why do you care? Are you jelly because you can't post your sick videos on youtube? Are you part of CCP's legal department? Are you constantly bombarded by junkmail offering to make your Dust e-peen larger if you read some comments on another forum that break the NDA?
Of ALL the things to complain about, you complain about something that doesn't affect you in any way, and that takes valuable space on the forum away from REAL topics?
The only thing I'm 'angry' about on this forum is all the garbage threads like this one that take away from ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS OF THE GAME. |
SoCal Ninja
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:32:00 -
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I am absolutely blown away by the negative responses to this thread.
The OP is correct and has a right to be angry, those of you who are trash talking him should seriously re-evaluate your views on what playing a beta is. Yes, the game can be broken, it can be missing things you want, but breaching NDA, or trash talking the game not only is illegal, but also is a slap to the face of wonderful guys who work very hard to create a game that makes you happy.
As I have been in several creative projects, it really hurts when your audience disrespects your product after you worked so hard on it. Please rethink your responses to this forum and try to be more positive. It's okay to dislike something, but you don't have to spit in someone's face. |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:37:00 -
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The thread is pointless. If people are going to ignore the agreement they've 'signed' then they are CERTAINLY going to ignore some random guy whining about them. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
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808
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Posted - 2012.07.19 03:19:00 -
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well, im sorry some of you feel opposed to what i have said...thats your right, however disappointing it is.
Just think for a moment the type of people you are defending here.
As far as forums being for complaining...your are sorely mistaken. Thats why the groups in the forums are labeled "General Discussion" (where some complaining can go) and "Feedback/Requests."
Go spend time and resources on making a groundbreaking game, kindly let some gamers in to test the unfinished mechanics for constructive input, and then endure some of them leaving, putting slanderous videos on youtube against an NDA, and then telling other people who ahve yet to play your game that it isnt worth their time.
as far as people not caring about this post, thats just a part of talking on a forum. not everyone is gonna agree or care, but there will be trust and respect in the circles of gamers that matter and who "get it." these are the people im talking to while im waiting another 8 hours and 11 minutes... |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.07.19 04:19:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:well, im sorry some of you feel opposed to what i have said...thats your right, however disappointing it is.
Just think for a moment the type of people you are defending here.
As far as forums being for complaining...your are sorely mistaken. Thats why the groups in the forums are labeled "General Discussion" (where some complaining can go) and "Feedback/Requests."
Go spend time and resources on making a groundbreaking game, kindly let some gamers in to test the unfinished mechanics for constructive input, and then endure some of them leaving, putting slanderous videos on youtube against an NDA, and then telling other people who ahve yet to play your game that it isnt worth their time.
as far as people not caring about this post, thats just a part of talking on a forum. not everyone is gonna agree or care, but there will be trust and respect in the circles of gamers that matter and who "get it." these are the people im talking to while im waiting another 8 hours and 11 minutes...
I'm opposed to it only in that it serves no purpose.
I'm not defending anyone.
Every issue every person has with this game is a complaint. Think the sagaris is OP? Thats a complaint. Think something needs to be buffed? Complaint. GUI problems? Complaint. Graphics? Complaint. Anything that does not meet the users expectations and desires is a complaint. These are also far more valid than your complaint which is effectively "some people do things that they said they wouldn't do". This observation is pointless, and making a thread about it even more so, especially considering there are 2 dev stickies on the subject.
If you are going to make something to release in the public domain and can't deal with negative criticism then you should GTFO. If you can't deal with people breaking NDAs then you shouldn't release a beta. There is NO KINDNESS in them LETTING us play the beta. Companies have betas for TESTING. WE are doing a service to THEM by testing their product FOR FREE (or in some cases PAYING THEM for it). We are performing a service for them, with the dubious compensation of playing an unfinished game earlier than other people.
Explain to me how you think this thread actually does anything useful, because I'm pretty sure that CCP with SONY backing them don't need you to valiant come to their defense against those evil NDA breaking wrongdoers.
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.07.19 04:36:00 -
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Well, there certainly is a difference between complaining/whining and constructive feedback. I'm sure you'll agree with that. In addition, I'm sure you will agree that much of the feedback/issues you were referring to become just another whine complaint when they are in the general discussion grouping of the forum and not in the feedback/requests group. This thread is not pointless. It is a discussion meant to be open to all the beta testers, hence the name of the thread and the placement of the thread in the general discussion section. You saying its pointless because i am not giving any feedback is flawed and irrelevant since the point of this thread is not to give feedback to the devs, or else i would have typed something completely different and in a different part of the forum.
I feel as if your entire perspective on the beta testing situation is flawed/skewed. You defend people who brake the NDA, when they are the ones who are illegally acting...doesn't make much sense. Companies shouldn't have to worry about idiots going against their agreed- to terms. Does it happen? Absolutely. Is it too bad that it does? Absolutely. In a perfect world it wouldn't. In this world, it still shouldn't.
You are doing a service to them? Get over yourself. Yes, you are doing it for free. That was your choice at some point as it certainly wasn't easy to get a beta key or else you willingly spent money on a merc pack. No one twisted you arm here.
As far as kindness from the devs in letting me beta test is concerned, i actually am very grateful for this chance and i absolutely feel that was a service done to me. This is probably the only thing in our debate here that is actually legitimately up to the discretion of the tester and honestly, if you dont feel grateful that CCP is letting you play before release than that seems a little ungrateful to me. |
PDIGGY22
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.07.19 04:40:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Disclaimer: Made this in my Dust withdrawal induced anger while reading nonsense whining on the forums...
ahem...
The quality of gamers has decreased over the years.....its sad.
i remember back in the day when everyone was exploding with happiness when 3d games came out and people were astounded by the leaps and bounds developers were showing in game design when games tried to do something new.
nowadays, we cant go a day without someone complaining that a game which is trying to stir up the waters is not a carbon copy of a now money-grabbing, no innovation series like COD. For some reason, people feel the need to complain about a game still in testing phases, posting videos while dodging an NDA, telling prospective players the game sucks....
How dare you undermine CCP's efforts by negatively promoting, under NDA, a game that is not finished.
This game is in a CLOSED Beta....you were INVITED to TEST this game in order to help CCP further the creation of their own ideas and aspirations for this game....not yours, not some EVE/COD/MAG/BF3 player's, not mine.....if you can't handle objectively testing a game while giving constructive feedback, then why did you ask to join the beta? You rage quit and don't want to help? Fine. We will see you when the game launches.
CCP owes nothing to anyone, also a thought for those who complain about being gipped by the merc pack...
LOL this is not a "closed beta"
anyone can buy their way into the beta = not closed.
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Nexus Cavor
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
88
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Posted - 2012.07.19 04:42:00 -
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I am going to see a psychiatrist in the morning so I can get help on how to better prepare for the next server downtime.
CCP... My lawyers will be footing you the bill...  |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.07.19 04:43:00 -
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PDIGGY22 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Disclaimer: Made this in my Dust withdrawal induced anger while reading nonsense whining on the forums...
ahem...
The quality of gamers has decreased over the years.....its sad.
i remember back in the day when everyone was exploding with happiness when 3d games came out and people were astounded by the leaps and bounds developers were showing in game design when games tried to do something new.
nowadays, we cant go a day without someone complaining that a game which is trying to stir up the waters is not a carbon copy of a now money-grabbing, no innovation series like COD. For some reason, people feel the need to complain about a game still in testing phases, posting videos while dodging an NDA, telling prospective players the game sucks....
How dare you undermine CCP's efforts by negatively promoting, under NDA, a game that is not finished.
This game is in a CLOSED Beta....you were INVITED to TEST this game in order to help CCP further the creation of their own ideas and aspirations for this game....not yours, not some EVE/COD/MAG/BF3 player's, not mine.....if you can't handle objectively testing a game while giving constructive feedback, then why did you ask to join the beta? You rage quit and don't want to help? Fine. We will see you when the game launches.
CCP owes nothing to anyone, also a thought for those who complain about being gipped by the merc pack... LOL this is not a "closed beta" anyone can buy their way into the beta = not closed.
valid point, although debatable. even if its an open beta, that does not change the fact that the game is still unfinished and not ready for public criticism.
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.07.19 04:44:00 -
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Nexus Cavor wrote:I am going to see a psychiatrist in the morning so I can get help on how to better prepare for the next server downtime. CCP... My lawyers will be footing you the bill...
lol good **** |
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