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Lurchasaurus wrote:

Well, there certainly is a difference between complaining/whining and constructive feedback. I'm sure you'll agree with that. In addition, I'm sure you will agree that much of the feedback/issues you were referring to become just another whine complaint when they are in the general discussion grouping of the forum and not in the feedback/requests group. This thread is not pointless. It is a discussion meant to be open to all the beta testers, hence the name of the thread and the placement of the thread in the general discussion section. You saying its pointless because i am not giving any feedback is flawed and irrelevant since the point of this thread is not to give feedback to the devs, or else i would have typed something completely different and in a different part of the forum.

I feel as if your entire perspective on the beta testing situation is flawed/skewed. You defend people who brake the NDA, when they are the ones who are illegally acting...doesn't make much sense. Companies shouldn't have to worry about idiots going against their agreed- to terms. Does it happen? Absolutely. Is it too bad that it does? Absolutely. In a perfect world it wouldn't. In this world, it still shouldn't.

You are doing a service to them? Get over yourself. Yes, you are doing it for free. That was your choice at some point as it certainly wasn't easy to get a beta key or else you willingly spent money on a merc pack. No one twisted you arm here.

As far as kindness from the devs in letting me beta test is concerned, i actually am very grateful for this chance and i absolutely feel that was a service done to me. This is probably the only thing in our debate here that is actually legitimately up to the discretion of the tester and honestly, if you dont feel grateful that CCP is letting you play before release than that seems a little ungrateful to me.


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Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.19 00:48:00 - [1] - Quote This is the stupidest thread I've seen so far. Complaining about people complaining about a beta on the forums for the beta BUT CLOSED NDA. That **** ain't closed in HERE bro.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.19 01:33:00 - [2] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: That simpsons pic was funny as hell Umallon Macross wrote: This is the stupidest thread I've seen so far. Complaining about people complaining about a beta on the forums for the beta BUT CLOSED NDA. That **** ain't closed in HERE bro. There have been numerous cases of people posting vids on youtube, talking negatively on other public forums, etc. As far as what's going on in these forums, it doesn't matter that we can freely discuss the game in here. It doesn't change the fact that much of what we see is just complaining and negative feedback that isn't even in the feedback section... "Disclaimer: Made this in my Dust withdrawal induced anger while reading nonsense whining on the forums..." Your establishing sentence indicated that you were talking about THESE FORUMS. You said NOTHING to imply you were talking about anything else. I don't know what kind of favors you think you're going to get from brown nosing, but its pretty funny I must say. Beta is beta and beta forums are FOR complaining. That's the POINT. It isn't a lovely chummy place were you can discuss your poodles over a cup of tea, its a place for those invited to the beta to state their comments, requests, and concerns. If people are stupid enough to decide that Dust is crap based on videos and comments based on a closed beta, then that's their problem. Whining about it here on the forums isn't going to accomplish anything. Sorry you wasted your time.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.19 02:11:00 - [3] - Quote Why? Why do you care? Are you jelly because you can't post your sick videos on youtube? Are you part of CCP's legal department? Are you constantly bombarded by junkmail offering to make your Dust e-peen larger if you read some comments on another forum that break the NDA? Of ALL the things to complain about, you complain about something that doesn't affect you in any way, and that takes valuable space on the forum away from REAL topics? The only thing I'm 'angry' about on this forum is all the garbage threads like this one that take away from ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS OF THE GAME.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.19 02:37:00 - [4] - Quote The thread is pointless. If people are going to ignore the agreement they've 'signed' then they are CERTAINLY going to ignore some random guy whining about them.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.19 04:19:00 - [5] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: well, im sorry some of you feel opposed to what i have said...thats your right, however disappointing it is. Just think for a moment the type of people you are defending here. As far as forums being for complaining...your are sorely mistaken. Thats why the groups in the forums are labeled "General Discussion" (where some complaining can go) and "Feedback/Requests." Go spend time and resources on making a groundbreaking game, kindly let some gamers in to test the unfinished mechanics for constructive input, and then endure some of them leaving, putting slanderous videos on youtube against an NDA, and then telling other people who ahve yet to play your game that it isnt worth their time. as far as people not caring about this post, thats just a part of talking on a forum. not everyone is gonna agree or care, but there will be trust and respect in the circles of gamers that matter and who "get it." these are the people im talking to while im waiting another 8 hours and 11 minutes... I'm opposed to it only in that it serves no purpose. I'm not defending anyone. Every issue every person has with this game is a complaint. Think the sagaris is OP? Thats a complaint. Think something needs to be buffed? Complaint. GUI problems? Complaint. Graphics? Complaint. Anything that does not meet the users expectations and desires is a complaint. These are also far more valid than your complaint which is effectively "some people do things that they said they wouldn't do". This observation is pointless, and making a thread about it even more so, especially considering there are 2 dev stickies on the subject. If you are going to make something to release in the public domain and can't deal with negative criticism then you should GTFO. If you can't deal with people breaking NDAs then you shouldn't release a beta. There is NO KINDNESS in them LETTING us play the beta. Companies have betas for TESTING. WE are doing a service to THEM by testing their product FOR FREE (or in some cases PAYING THEM for it). We are performing a service for them, with the dubious compensation of playing an unfinished game earlier than other people. Explain to me how you think this thread actually does anything useful, because I'm pretty sure that CCP with SONY backing them don't need you to valiant come to their defense against those evil NDA breaking wrongdoers.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.19 05:01:00 - [6] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Well, there certainly is a difference between complaining/whining and constructive feedback. I'm sure you'll agree with that. In addition, I'm sure you will agree that much of the feedback/issues you were referring to become just another whine complaint when they are in the general discussion grouping of the forum and not in the feedback/requests group. This thread is not pointless. It is a discussion meant to be open to all the beta testers, hence the name of the thread and the placement of the thread in the general discussion section. You saying its pointless because i am not giving any feedback is flawed and irrelevant since the point of this thread is not to give feedback to the devs, or else i would have typed something completely different and in a different part of the forum. I feel as if your entire perspective on the beta testing situation is flawed/skewed. You defend people who brake the NDA, when they are the ones who are illegally acting...doesn't make much sense. Companies shouldn't have to worry about idiots going against their agreed- to terms. Does it happen? Absolutely. Is it too bad that it does? Absolutely. In a perfect world it wouldn't. In this world, it still shouldn't. You are doing a service to them? Get over yourself. Yes, you are doing it for free. That was your choice at some point as it certainly wasn't easy to get a beta key or else you willingly spent money on a merc pack. No one twisted you arm here. As far as kindness from the devs in letting me beta test is concerned, i actually am very grateful for this chance and i absolutely feel that was a service done to me. This is probably the only thing in our debate here that is actually legitimately up to the discretion of the tester and honestly, if you dont feel grateful that CCP is letting you play before release than that seems a little ungrateful to me. No, I don't agree. Coming from a retail background, I know that ALL criticism is valuable whether its 'constructive' or not. I've had enough "we only accept 'constructive' criticism" from Bioware and EA. Negative feedback can be more valuable then happy friendly 'you know, you're so special, but maybe you would please consider BLAH BLAH BLAH'. The forum is full of junk, and I think this thread is just another useless piece of flotsam in the ocean. I'm not saying this thread is pointless because it isn't feedback, I'm saying its pointless because it achieves nothing. I'm not defending anyone. EVEN if this thread could possibly be seen as DOING anything about breaches of the NDA then I would still be considered as assisting just by bumping it. You aren't defending CCP, and they don't need your defense, so this thread just takes up space, which is what I'M complaining about. Yes, we are performing a service for them. We are testing their product, and giving them vital feedback, both in terms of opinion and various metrics. I'm not saying I haven't entered into this unwillingly, I am saying it ISN'T A PRESENT. They aren't doing it to be nice, they are doing it because they are a business, and it saves them money. You are naive if you think they are lavishing generosity on us out of the kindness of their hearts. CCP is a BUSINESS. I am a CUSTOMER. I will not feel any more GRATEFUL to them for the beta than I would to Microsoft for 'letting' me fill in a survey, or a supermarket for 'letting' me know about their specials. I'm tired of this attitude in the gaming community that developers and publishers are some kind of mighty gods sitting in castles in the sky bestowing upon us rare gifts of their favor. No, I am not 'grateful' for the beta. I spent $230AUS on a PS3, and $30AUS on the merc pack, and I have 2 current EVE Online accounts. I will not be 'grateful' to CCP for 'letting' me work for them for free. I will however be proud that I've have helped in some small way to build an online universe I care a lot about.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.07.19 07:20:00 - [7] - Quote Stupid forum ate my response... wtvr, I'm done with this thread. Just remember that CCP doesn't hear your prayers every night.