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Dan Pennus
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:02:00 -
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Dea all,
This Beta seems quite good and I can see a lot of potential for this game.
However, I am afraid that this game has contracted what I would call the "Counter Strike" disease. Please heal it as soon as possible before it is too late.
Dan out. |
Nexus Cavor
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:05:00 -
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Infect them all with the Tuna Sandwich! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:06:00 -
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What are the symptoms of counter strike disease how do I combat it? |
PrincesCadenza
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:07:00 -
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That's why I always wear protection! |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:28:00 -
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Dan Pennus wrote:Dea all,
This Beta seems quite good and I can see a lot of potential for this game.
However, I am afraid that this game has contracted what I would call the "Counter Strike" disease. Please heal it as soon as possible before it is too late.
Dan out.
Your face is infected |
ANDJEH
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:56:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:Dan Pennus wrote:Dea all,
This Beta seems quite good and I can see a lot of potential for this game.
However, I am afraid that this game has contracted what I would call the "Counter Strike" disease. Please heal it as soon as possible before it is too late.
Dan out. Your face is infected
BURN! |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:00:00 -
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ANDJEH wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:Dan Pennus wrote:Dea all,
This Beta seems quite good and I can see a lot of potential for this game.
However, I am afraid that this game has contracted what I would call the "Counter Strike" disease. Please heal it as soon as possible before it is too late.
Dan out. Your face is infected BURN!
Your mum burns |
ANDJEH
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:04:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:ANDJEH wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:Dan Pennus wrote:Dea all,
This Beta seems quite good and I can see a lot of potential for this game.
However, I am afraid that this game has contracted what I would call the "Counter Strike" disease. Please heal it as soon as possible before it is too late.
Dan out. Your face is infected BURN! Your mum burns
NO |
Havok Razor
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:05:00 -
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With all this off-topic nonsense i'm just curious... what is "Counter strike disease"? |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:19:00 -
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Havok Razor wrote:With all this off-topic nonsense i'm just curious... what is "Counter strike disease"?
Absolutely no clue, just fancied a quick troll |
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ACE McDUST
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:42:00 -
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Havok Razor wrote:With all this off-topic nonsense i'm just curious... what is "Counter strike disease"?
Probobly when everyone always chooses one gun because its the only one worth using |
Nellantar Ballsinya
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:44:00 -
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"Counter-Strike" Disease is obviously a mental condition where new players get mad that old players have better stuff than them. |
Dan Pennus
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.15 19:19:00 -
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Nellantar Ballsinya wrote:"Counter-Strike" Disease is obviously a mental condition where new players get mad that old players have better stuff than them.
You sir understood my point completely :)
The thing is...I haven't started playing video games yesterday. It might even be that I have been playing them longer than anyone in this board, so my statement is not naive...and I am not whining. I will keep on playing until I have enough.
...and I can recognize when a game is enjoyable only if you spend an exagerated amount of time with it.
Somehow I though (wishful thinking) that the era of FPS alla Counter Strike, where you spawn and get killed in less than 2 seconds, was part of the past. I was clearly wrong.
Rewarding long time players with better equipment (they can buy it by constantly playing and earning in game currency) and ways to kill the opponent easily without a dent on their armor is all well and good. I like that. It is part of the game.
BUT please...let the new guys also into the game. It is frustranting. |
Hawk Von Draum
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.16 08:44:00 -
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Dan Pennus wrote:Dea all,
This Beta seems quite good and I can see a lot of potential for this game.
However, I am afraid that this game has contracted what I would call the "Counter Strike" disease. Please heal it as soon as possible before it is too late.
Dan out.
a good example of constructive criticism Fail! |
Hawk Von Draum
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.16 08:48:00 -
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Dan Pennus wrote:Nellantar Ballsinya wrote:"Counter-Strike" Disease is obviously a mental condition where new players get mad that old players have better stuff than them. You sir understood my point completely :) The thing is...I haven't started playing video games yesterday. It might even be that I have been playing them longer than anyone in this board, so my statement is not naive...and I am not whining. I will keep on playing until I have enough. ...and I can recognize when a game is enjoyable only if you spend an exagerated amount of time with it. Somehow I though (wishful thinking) that the era of FPS alla Counter Strike, where you spawn and get killed in less than 2 seconds, was part of the past. I was clearly wrong. Rewarding long time players with better equipment (they can buy it by constantly playing and earning in game currency) and ways to kill the opponent easily without a dent on their armor is all well and good. I like that. It is part of the game. BUT please...let the new guys also into the game. It is frustranting.
at the moment were all earning skill points at a hyper accelerated rate so we can test more features within the beta, when the game is released progress will be far slower and the percentage of players running around with proto gear will be far lower.
so your point should hopefully be invalid come full release. |
Renzo Kuken
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.07.16 08:50:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:ANDJEH wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:Dan Pennus wrote:Dea all,
This Beta seems quite good and I can see a lot of potential for this game.
However, I am afraid that this game has contracted what I would call the "Counter Strike" disease. Please heal it as soon as possible before it is too late.
Dan out. Your face is infected BURN! Your mum burns
it burns when i PVP |
bauloe reporter
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:42:00 -
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I think as the game developes, it will tier players so those with lessor stuff will fight the cheaper missions while those with experience and isk will play those missions that are worth more but require isk to be spent on fights
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Mike Gunnzito
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:46:00 -
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Also, it'll prob all work better with the intro of high sec, low sec, etc , upon release. Newbies can just play mostly in high sec, until they level up a bit. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:53:00 -
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Don't call it Counterstrike disease. Counterstrike was good. Current build of the beta is garbage by comparision. Also CS was all player skill. Be it scout/awp/m4/ak whatever, no skills = no kills. Dust however is the other way around. Simply reward you for Playin no matter how bad you do.
Tbh you'd be better off calling it "opMMOskills syndrome" but there we go. (pls note CS is still respected as one of the greatest shooters of all time. Something a lot of people seem to have no interest in here. I mean wtf?!) |
xprotoman23
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:01:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Don't call it Counterstrike disease. Counterstrike was good. Current build of the beta is garbage by comparision. Also CS was all player skill. Be it scout/awp/m4/ak whatever, no skills = no kills. Dust however is the other way around. Simply reward you for Playin no matter how bad you do.
Tbh you'd be better off calling it "opMMOskills syndrome" but there we go. (pls note CS is still respected as one of the greatest shooters of all time. Something a lot of people seem to have no interest in here. I mean wtf?!)
DUST is nothing but grinding for skill points to be good or sitting in a tank. |
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RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:04:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:
DUST is nothing but grinding for skill points to be good or sitting in a tank.
Ohh noo. Protoman thinks its a grind, think that's queue to make it all passive Skill Training CCP.
Or a weekend of regular speed SP. not 4x.
See how long it'll really take to get to the next level of anything. 
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Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:05:00 -
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i wouldnt call it counter strike disease. more like fullofrtrolliaitus |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:07:00 -
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bauloe reporter wrote:I think as the game developes, it will tier players so those with lessor stuff will fight the cheaper missions while those with experience and isk will play those missions that are worth more but require isk to be spent on fights
That's thinking in terms of Dust being your typical FPS. Well, it's not. You can play solo or join a corp that will take contracts from Eve corps. There will be missions from NPC corps for those solo people but most people will be in corps. So get used o battling with and against higher lvl players. Just because they are higher doesn't mean they're better skilled. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:10:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Don't call it Counterstrike disease. Counterstrike was good. Current build of the beta is garbage by comparision. Also CS was all player skill. Be it scout/awp/m4/ak whatever, no skills = no kills. Dust however is the other way around. Simply reward you for Playin no matter how bad you do.
Tbh you'd be better off calling it "opMMOskills syndrome" but there we go. (pls note CS is still respected as one of the greatest shooters of all time. Something a lot of people seem to have no interest in here. I mean wtf?!)
If you can't hit a target you can't no matter how many points you have in skills. But how would you know that since you lack skills. |
STB-Snyped EV
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:10:00 -
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you cant complain about people having better things than others.... its not like we started the game with it? we had to grind hard to get the gear we rock every game... i look forward to having to grind 4x as hard as i do already because it provides an excellent incentive to do well. No pain no gain bro's... play till your fingers hurt! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:14:00 -
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STB-Snyped EV wrote:you cant complain about people having better things than others.... its not like we started the game with it? we had to grind hard to get the gear we rock every game... i look forward to having to grind 4x as hard as i do already because it provides an excellent incentive to do well. No pain no gain bro's... play till your fingers hurt!
But it's unfair if someone, anyone, ever, has started off without other players who have everything. New people now have it so much harder, even though back in our day, the maps went uphill both ways... |
Nellantar Ballsinya
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:21:00 -
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Like I've said before, the SP Gap will be a self-correcting issue. Matchmaking in high-sec will keep SP's grouped nicely, low-sec is where people will go when they get into one of the Faction Warfare corps and you may see a slightly bigger gap there, but people that make it that far will probably learn how to fight uphill battles as best they can if they don't whine and quit. Null-Sec will see high-SP corps fighting other high-SP corps because we are a commodity.
To EVE players we are a weapon used to control planets, nothing more and nothing less, and when you want to control something you will shell out for the best weapons to fight for their shizzle. If the corp you are in has a crappy track record, say goodbye to being in the big leagues. |
Raynor Ragna
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:23:00 -
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This game needs to be more like CS to be honest. Less buff on skills and equip, more on the users skill and knowledge. As it stands now, its still good but it could be so much better. |
Ludwig Van HeadShotin
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:31:00 -
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What teh hell is a counter strike disease yo. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:40:00 -
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Pfft! Please. Counter Strike has a serious amount of issues some of which is the huge amount of rampant cheating. Was it a fantastic mod that grew into it's own game? Sure. Was it fun? Yes. However the game has problems. Namely players, and those who call thmeselves veterans. Such benign egotistical pisants. Personally the best way to look at Counter Strike is through a fog of nostalgia, and the amount of memes it gaves us.
"'Cause you know everyone runs faster with a knife."
Not accepting what it has become over the years is just sheer ignorance though. Not to say I hate Counter Strike, for which I do not. I have a lot of hope for the new Counter Strike title releasing this year even if it mainly is only a rebuild of what Counter Strike already is -- "if it's not broke though don't fix it." -- which can be taken several ways. I am hoping they only fixed what needed fixing personally. Hopefully though they can keep the cheating to a minimum this time.
Edit:
Everyone should atleast have heard or seen this too..
FPS Doug: "BOOM HEADSHOT!" |
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Lilianna Sentinel
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:13:00 -
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When you're first starting out, it's frustrating enough not knowing anything about the game. And when a game like this comes around that gives vets better gear, it only encourages new players to just stop playing all together.
In EVE, one thing that really shines about it is that any player of any skill/time investment level can contribute to something. Not just something, but something important. And this is hardcore EVE we're talking about. Not even the casual World of Warcraft has this claim to fame.
I feel like Dust 514 should emulate this somehow. By giving newer players a niche that players of higher time investment don't want to bother with anymore. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:17:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:When you're first starting out, it's frustrating enough not knowing anything about the game. And when a game like this comes around that gives vets better gear, it only encourages new players to just stop playing all together.
In EVE, one thing that really shines about it is that any player of any skill/time investment level can contribute to something. Not just something, but something important. And this is hardcore EVE we're talking about. Not even the casual World of Warcraft has this claim to fame.
I feel like Dust 514 should emulate this somehow. By giving newer players a niche that players of higher time investment don't want to bother with anymore.
Hm. I could support that, but honestly if anyone took the time (sounding like a broken record over here) and looked at the statistics (attributes) to the various gears and items the game is pretty balanced. It's the practice (in-game) that seems to be wrong while you are on the battlefield. I still would not mind seeing other various implementations that would help and continue to foster a prospering growth of newer players though, and continue to keep people playing as well.
However "balance" is essential to this and keeping the game alive. |
HowDidThatTaste
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:43:00 -
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I certainly have seen counter strike disease in dust.
I shoot and they freaking shoot back. What's up with that.. |
TotalBreakage
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.16 22:53:00 -
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Dan Pennus wrote:Dea all,
This Beta seems quite good and I can see a lot of potential for this game.
However, I am afraid that this game has contracted what I would call the "Counter Strike" disease. Please heal it as soon as possible before it is too late.
Dan out.
There will be a different kind of Virus spreading when this game comes out, In fact, it has already started. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:05:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Don't call it Counterstrike disease. Counterstrike was good. Current build of the beta is garbage by comparision. Also CS was all player skill. Be it scout/awp/m4/ak whatever, no skills = no kills. Dust however is the other way around. Simply reward you for Playin no matter how bad you do.
Tbh you'd be better off calling it "opMMOskills syndrome" but there we go. (pls note CS is still respected as one of the greatest shooters of all time. Something a lot of people seem to have no interest in here. I mean wtf?!)
I really don't understand how you can spend so much time on these forums and still lack a basic understanding of how MMO style PvP works. Honestly, you are either intentionally trolling, or you are absolutely daft.
SP does give an advantage to vets, but vets have no incentive to play against noobs. When the game launches and a proto suit costs 4x as much as the reward (and a tank costs 20x) for winning a match in high sec, why would vets be derping around in highsec? I mean, have you just never played an MMO before? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:31:00 -
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@Ryo
Bitter? Ok...
@Ironblood
Agree CS had it's problems. But tbh it was pretty flawless in it's gun play.
@Roo
I get MMO's and I've played a few. Not all that into them a they are mostly on PC, and I just didn't like DCUO. I get that more experienced players should have benefits. However dropping the passives by say 33% would still give the increase, but make it not so annihilating against nOObs. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:33:00 -
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if these noobs can't a kill in militia gear like alot of us already had to do then they can spawn with repair kit, drop links, nano hives/injector.. or if you're so concerned for them let them hack the objective. they could fill those roles until they get their shiny.. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:40:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:
@Roo
I get MMO's and I've played a few. Not all that into them a they are mostly on PC, and I just didn't like DCUO. I get that more experienced players should have benefits. However dropping the passives by say 33% would still give the increase, but make it not so annihilating against nOObs.
And again, if balance between noobs vs vets is an issue, CCP have failed at the basic premise they have put forward. As a noob, it should be quite rare to play against a vet unless you are specifically going out of your way to do so, so why should we worry about balancing noobs vs vets in the first place? It's not like other MMOs are concerned with whether or not a lvl 1 can hold their own vs a lvl 80, they don't interact. It's like making all NBA players tie their shoelaces together in NBA games because otherwise they would be too good and it wouldn't be fair to the guys down the street playing a pickup game in the park. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:11:00 -
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We'll be equal on release(usless you bought boosters already) however the knowlege we take from this beta is going to be more vaulable than anything can buy with Aum. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:29:00 -
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Equal on release, for everyone who gets it on release. Pick it up in a year and your stuffed really. Or a masochist. |
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Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:35:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Equal on release, for everyone who gets it on release. Pick it up in a year and your stuffed really. Or a masochist.
Well to be fair this late in the PlayStation3's life span with a new, new model of the PlayStation3 to be released soon on the horizon which is being dubed the 'true" slim and cutting a huge amount of the PlayStation3's costs out the window, with Dust also being a free application and game to both download and play upon release -- simply put you should no reason on the planet to be picking this game up a year after release. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.17 01:01:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Equal on release, for everyone who gets it on release. Pick it up in a year and your stuffed really. Or a masochist.
Why do you say this? I'm pretty sure High Sec and PvE will still exist a year down the road. |
Septem Mortuus
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.17 01:38:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Equal on release, for everyone who gets it on release. Pick it up in a year and your stuffed really. Or a masochist.
Yep, will die horribly. Just like all MMO's do after a year because Vets are more powerful than Noobs.
It's why there has never, ever been a single MMO that's lasted longer than a year. Ever. Can't happen.
It simply IS NOT POSSIBLE for a developer to encourage or even enforce seperation of players of different levels/power/experience.
:FACEPALM: |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.17 05:35:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:When you're first starting out, it's frustrating enough not knowing anything about the game. And when a game like this comes around that gives vets better gear, it only encourages new players to just stop playing all together.
In EVE, one thing that really shines about it is that any player of any skill/time investment level can contribute to something. Not just something, but something important. And this is hardcore EVE we're talking about. Not even the casual World of Warcraft has this claim to fame.
I feel like Dust 514 should emulate this somehow. By giving newer players a niche that players of higher time investment don't want to bother with anymore.
If people wanted another Counterstrike, they should bloody well go GET Counterstrike.
If people want DUST to be more like CoD, they should buy a fish!.
If you want an easy game, where you can go in as a new player, and go toe to toe with veterans, go back to kindergarden.
DUST is different. Don't expect, or demand it'll be what you are used to, because if they make it like that, it'll fail. There is enough of the same old out there, time for something a little more challenging, a little more fun, something different.
And the DUST/EVE skill concept is really not that hard, if you have a brain. |
carl von oppenheimer
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.07.17 06:38:00 -
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Speaking of CS there was a video in youtube of (unsurprisingly) GS members having a server with hacked maps ...
That video was hilarious with sudden head crab invasions, flying floors, Apache's (helicopters) and pretty much everything you could model on CS to play with to screw up with the opposing team as admin was of GS obviously.
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