AR's are fine, its the fact that Heavy suits can equip them thats the issue. Make heavies only able to carry heavy weapons, and things should be fine.

AR's are probably the most balanced items in the game in comparison to everything else.

No there not the most balanced weapon they're the best weapon and that is because they're not balanced i would just like for them to add more recoil or more bullet scatter or less accuracy

Heavies dont need any more nerfs

Its not a direct nerf.
Its either prevent the heavies from using them, or nerfing the damage of the AR in some way.
Personally, I dont think the damage needs to be nerfed.

Let's nerf everything but what I use.

Its not a direct nerf.
Its either prevent the heavies from using them, or nerfing the damage of the AR in some way.
Personally, I dont think the damage needs to be nerfed.

Lol, what should us AR users say? Something that people say to excuse other imbalances in this game?

"This is EVE.

Deal with it."

Or...

"New Eden is a cold universe, adapt or die"

Or be reminded that they too, can invest SP into it.

Are people serious?

Are people serious?

Maybe add more recoil or let it have less DPS? You are asking for suggestions? Oh I got it, over heats after a couple shots?

Yeah, they definitely shouldn't just be able to fire off all the rounds in their clip. Maybe an over heat at say 20 or 30 shot is in order. I mean, if the AR over heats they can just run away somewhere to heal and cool off the gun.

Also, 8 second reload time.

**** it just give me a red coat and a musket

They practically crap remote detonators out of their massive headshot obstructing backpacks..

And dual wielding forge guns, WTH. I thought I was fighting a scout suit with tank rail guns for arms.

I swear one once shot laser eye beams at me and use freeze breath to keep me from running away.

He has the second highest amount of kills

YEAHH!! LETS NERF, wait... no not all AR's.

Just the breach ones.
Actually just the CreoDron.

it's power makes anyone using a different proto-AR a dumbass.

And when every other kill on the feed is CreoDron, there is obviously something up with it.

QQ
i dont use the lolCreo
hell i dont even use proto stuff other than burning AUR on the Stormside Roden only because its the same CPU/PG as the GEK
other than that standard stuff all day baby!

YEAHH!! LETS NERF, wait... no not all AR's.

Just the breach ones.
Actually just the CreoDron.

it's power makes anyone using a different proto-AR a dumbass.

And when every other kill on the feed is CreoDron, there is obviously something up with it.

Its not a direct nerf.
Its either prevent the heavies from using them, or nerfing the damage of the AR in some way.
Personally, I dont think the damage needs to be nerfed.

I've played a fair amount of shooters in my time, and from my experience the ARs are often the most used weapon. ARs by design are balanced weapons, they have no real weaknesses and are effective at all ranges. While they're not up to par with the SMGs at close range or the snipers at long range they are quite capable of holding there own and you can still beat those weapons if there is a wide enough skill gap. They are also capable of decimating the SMGs at long range and the snipers at short range. This lack of any weakness often leads to them being my players weapon of choice as it can be used effectively used in just about any situation. ARs are often very hard to balance because there are 2 ways to nerf a gun, cut back on it's strengths or increase the severity of it's weakness and neither works for the ARs. The ARs main strength is it's balanced effectiveness in all situations and you can't cut back on that because that's what makes it an AR, if you make it more effective at one range or another then it becomes an SMG clone or a fast firing sniper, and if it's only a effective at one range then why use it? Why not use a real smg or sniper? As for weaknesses the ARs only real weakness is the whole jack of all trades master of none thing. To enhance this weakness you would have to weaken it in just about every stat, and it's very hard to do that without just going from effective at every range to useless at every range. This balance often leads to them being the most used weapon, but it's not what makes it overpowered. ARs are decent at all ranges, SMGs dominate close range and snipers rule the long distances but wait... Who controls the middle range? There is no dedicated mid range gun, there is a gap between the smgs and snipers. Without any gun to lead the pack at middle range, the balanced ARs fill the vacuum. That's what makes them overpowered, like the SMGs and snipers the ARs have a ranges they are the best at, but unlike the SMGs and snipers there is no range the ARs struggle at. To balance the ARs something needs to fill that mid range role and put them back into the Jack of all trades master of none role. To this extent I believe the HMGs can fill this role quite well with some buffs in the right places. Shorten the time it takes for the HMGs shots to become accurate, but decrease there accuracy while there revving up. Give them longer before they overheat but reduce there effective range. If ARs are still beating them, then give them a damage buff. HMGs low effective range, will make them weak at long range, while the delay before they can fire accurately with kill them at short range but there high accuracy and DPS will make them monsters at medium range.


TL;DR Buff HMGS into a good medium range weapon problem solved.

Sorry, but no. How about sorting the hit detection? Whats your reasoning behind a heavy not being able to use an Assault Rifle, their fingers are too big? Why not stop them from using Pistols, Sub Machine Guns, hell why not stop scouts from using Remote Explosives as grenades, would that not be a better idea than removing a valid weapon from the hands of a heavy?

AR's currently are fine. The problem is their price, at least the Prototype ones. With a meta level of 8+ I am shocked they don't cost around 100k at the least. I mean isn't that close to Deadspace rarity in EVE?

Well then dont complain that the AR's are overpowered, when they really arent.

Only reason creodeon AR is overused is because its a gun that frame rate still goes easy on, if the framerate was way smoother the duvolle most likely would be used more often but since frame rate and hit detection is so bad it makes it more difficult to use the duvolle however that doesnt stop me from owning xprotoman and pdiggy with the duvolle ;D

Burst AR is pretty sick too but the frame rate of this game still kills it badly,

just duvolle and credeon being the best ar's to use with creodeon bein the absolute best one to use

The HMG is basically a handheld minigun. Their range should be maxed out, at least to the point where they are near or beyond the ARs. Allow the HMG to heat up a lot slower, and increase their damage and ammo
Reserves.

Why are Heavies using ARs, cause they know HMGs suck right now; give the heavies what they need and they'll switch back to the HMG.

More ammo, damage and ammo reserves? No they are fine now! The damn things shoot 1500RPM give them more damage then tune down the ROF a lot

They also have half the damage of an AR so the theoretical DPS is identical to the ARs. Half Damage + twice RPM = useless weapon that overheats with worse accuracy for half again the ISK and SP and a clunky slow suit.

Do the math.

Its not a direct nerf.
Its either prevent the heavies from using them, or nerfing the damage of the AR in some way.
Personally, I dont think the damage needs to be nerfed.

Heavies dont need any more nerfs

I noticed yesterday that you're using Saya's name/account - you've got some explaining to do, Fisher: why have you not added me? Shame on you!

Edit: come to think of it, pretty sure I do have both of you - what time are you getting on these days?

Also, on topic, I think most of the AR's are fine; I just need more ammo drops.

i think when an assault class sees a heavy the should run. all i see is an assault more than happy to take a heavy on. if you think that a heavy should take on tanks then what do you think it should do to a person. plus i think the heavy suit should have a 500 shield and 1500 armor.

Not that I'm suggesting it, but as a Scout/Runner/Point Man, I really wish Heavies had at least one small weak point that I could take advantage of when trying to take one down with an smg (even while I'm running circles around them). lol

Only reason creodeon AR is overused is because its a gun that frame rate still goes easy on, if the framerate was way smoother the duvolle most likely would be used more often but since frame rate and hit detection is so bad it makes it more difficult to use the duvolle however that doesnt stop me from owning xprotoman and pdiggy with the duvolle ;D

Burst AR is pretty sick too but the frame rate of this game still kills it badly,

just duvolle and credeon being the best ar's to use with creodeon bein the absolute best one to use

AR's are fine, its the fact that Heavy suits can equip them thats the issue. Make heavies only able to carry heavy weapons, and things should be fine.