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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:48:00 -
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and with the heavy suit outsnipe a sniper at long distances.
I really think its sad that the gun with no scope can score me much more kills than the weapon that is supposed to be long range.
Maybe its my controller, maybe my sensitivity is too high, maybe I need a mouse I dont know but with the use of a regular controller sniping with the railgun is extremly hard. |
Hawk Von Draum
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:35:00 -
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try the charge sniper its pretty much one shot kill |
Khun-Al
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:49:00 -
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If you crouch you dont shake so much. |
Zeekoh
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:05:00 -
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I'm a sniper almost 100% of the time I am playing and I roll pretty much anyone in long range combat. I would say that Heavies are the easiest picking on the battlefield, if not for their immense amount of armor. I 1 shot Scouts and sometimes Assaults, depending on their loadout. If I can't 1 shot an Assault then I can definitely 2 shot them. As for Heavies it usually takes 3, but they're so slow they're almost standing still. Of course, this isn't counting headshots.
I'm not sure how long the recharge times on Forge guns are, but I would think that it puts you at an extremely large disadvantage after you fire it, no matter what, in terms of sustaining a long range assault. Also I've never used a Forge Gun so I have no idea if they have to be charged up before fired, like the Charged Sniper Rifle, you pretty much have to hold your shooting button down until you're ready to fire it. Either way, you would have to know exactly where the sniper is to hit him with it.
I've never once, NEVER, encountered a Heavy that has put up anything I would consider a fight at long range. Sure, they attempt to if they ever figure out where I am, but I'm usually far out of their normal weapon's range. The ones that do have Forge Guns usually completely miss with it. I'm more worried about somebody running up on me in a blind spot while I kill the Heavy, than I am about the Heavy hurting me in any way.
I'm not saying I'm the greatest sniper or anything like that, but I do consider myself to be pretty good. I got 9 kills within the first 90 seconds of a map last week. A few days ago I went 17-0 the entire map. Another time I went 21-1. I didn't use vehicles for any of those scores. Just my sniper rifle. I really doubt you could match me in those scores, or in long range kills, with just a Forge Gun.
As for why you think it's better with a Forge Gun, maybe you should give some info as to why you think they're better than sniper rifles. As someone who is specializing in using nothing but sniper rifles, I would have to strongly disagree.
I notice you said something about your sensitivity being too high. Most people prefer to have a high sensitivity when sniping. I prefer to have a lower setting though. But not so low that it takes forever to turn around. Being able to scope out your surroundings quickly is very important. Also, as someone else mentioned, when you're sniping, the best way to do it is to crouch and stop moving. Your scope will stop swaying completely until you shoot/move/stand up. Also, bullets take time to reach their target. When sniping, you HAVE to lead your crosshair ahead of moving targets. The further away they are and the faster they're moving, the further in front of them you will have to aim. |
Cobalt Monkey
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:13:00 -
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You can make your scope dead still if you crouch and click L3 between each shot. Give it a try.
You can about match those scores with a Forge Gun, but it does take the right circumstances. Can vary pretty wildly. For every 15-2 I get I'll probably have some 8-3's or even a 3-8. Vehicle hunting can be very high risk. When you eat half a tank per shot, that tends to make you a priority target for them.
There are two types of Forge Gun. The normal which charges up a shot after a couple seconds, and holds it ready until you release the trigger. The Assault variety charges up and fires the second it's done charging. More raw power, but requires expert timing to know when the shot's leaving the gun, how fast it will move when it does, and where the target will be when it gets there.
But either one shakes like blazes in addition to the weapon's slight spread. You can snipe with it, technically, but in my experience it's not that reliable. I've never crouched with the thing, so I'm not sure if that would help.
See, the gun is not meant to be anti-infantry. It even only does a couple hundred splash damage. The shaking is supposed to ensure that you only aim for things the size of a bus. Yet, it can hit a human. What's more, it seems to do so with about the same accuracy completely regardless of distance. Whether you're 5 feet away, or just an orange chevron peeking out from behind a tower. It's luck whether or not you hit anything that isn't a vehicle, but if you do it's most definitely a one shot kill.
The thing is, it's almost never a good idea to do so. If they're close to you, such a thing is a last ditch effort if you're low or out of your secondary weapon's ammo. If you don't hit, you're pretty much dead. Against snipers it can hit, but it's better used as a scare tactic, and even then only if you're not seeing any vehicles. That couple hundred splash damage isn't so inconsequential to low health suits that snipers usually have, and if it gets them to stop aiming at whatever they might have been going for, so much the better. Bottom line is that you should never just expect an infantry kill, only hope.
Again though, that's in my experience. I can hit a speeding dropship even after it passes beyond the draw distance, provided it doesn't change course significantly afterwards. But a human is pretty much a spray and pray. |
Hellhammer Tactical
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:28:00 -
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i use the assault forge gun more than any other weapon and hitting people is a challenge, yes with over 1000hp direct damage it is a one hit kill weapon but the 70% accuracy is a huge factor, it is very difficult to hit a small, moving target considering that the standard forge guns take 3.5 seconds to charge up between shots, and though the assault models do charge significantly faster (2.5s) they fire automaticly after charging, making it more challenging to hit mobile targets. i would always recomend moving between shots and trying to stablise the rifle as much as you can, because the sniper is always better at range than the tank hunter. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:13:00 -
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Oh look.
More Forge gun QQ.
Look, the forge gun may very well hit you from far away. It's just one of those freak once a match things. Sometimes I can kill a sniper with it, other times I just shoot and shoot and hit nothing.
Stop being pansies about it. |
Ray seveN
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:22:00 -
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Zeekoh wrote:
I'm not saying I'm the greatest sniper or anything like that, but I do consider myself to be pretty good. I got 9 kills within the first 90 seconds of a map last week. A few days ago I went 17-0 the entire map. Another time I went 21-1. I didn't use vehicles for any of those scores. Just my sniper rifle. I really doubt you could match me in those scores, or in long range kills, with just a Forge Gun.
Last build I had games going 37-1 and higher with an ishokune assault forge gun and thats when they had a terrible reticle. I wasnt the only one doin this either, pretty much why the forge gun got nerfed this build.
to the OP if you're sniping some where, where your back is up against a wall then chances are you'll get killed from a forge gun, same thing if you'r sniping below the forge gunner or when you're too close. If you're above him and there arent any walls behind you the chance of you getting hit is amazingly small |
Outside Edge
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:50:00 -
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[quote=Iron Wolf Saber]and with the heavy suit outsnipe a sniper at long distances.
I really think its sad that the gun with no scope can score me much more kills than the weapon that is supposed to be long range.
I'm with you on this one. With a sniper I'm generally miles away aiming at a heavy and somehow they are able to kill me in 1 or 2 hits. It happens to me all the time and I'm talking from very far away. I generally hit them twice, they turn and kill me in a second from across the map. It makes absolutely no sense. |
Jack McReady
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Posted - 2012.07.13 07:37:00 -
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Zeekoh wrote:I'm a sniper almost 100% of the time I am playing and I roll pretty much anyone in long range combat. I would say that Heavies are the easiest picking on the battlefield, if not for their immense amount of armor. I 1 shot Scouts and sometimes Assaults, depending on their loadout. If I can't 1 shot an Assault then I can definitely 2 shot them. As for Heavies it usually takes 3, but they're so slow they're almost standing still. Of course, this isn't counting headshots.
if you need 3 shots for a heavy then you are just a bad sniper  . they are so slow and easily to hit in the head. I one shot most heavies with a sniper.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.07.13 07:49:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Oh look.
More Forge gun QQ.
Look, the forge gun may very well hit you from far away. It's just one of those freak once a match things. Sometimes I can kill a sniper with it, other times I just shoot and shoot and hit nothing.
Stop being pansies about it.
Nothing about Forge Gun QQ its more about how lousy of a sniper I am. I keep turning my sensitivy on the controller down and its still not enough. Still shooting peoples ears off when going for head shots. As for me with forge gun vs sniper I win 75% of the time if I ever find the sniper |
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