DUST Search - Is it me or is sniping impossible ?

Johnny Guilt wrote:

Jonquill Caronite wrote:

I'm sorry, to all the people who say that sniping is fine the way it is, I suggest they go pick up any of Tom Clancey's shooters and turn off all the aim assists. THAT's the type of precision movement we should have on our gun control. I can easilly aim and hit a target in that game, and it has **** to do with aim assist, the controls are just better, they offer much better variable sensitivity on the controller.

Of course pardon me for a second on this particular rant, because honestly it may be the controllers or the consoles to... I have yet to confirm this by playing enough PS3 games to be sure, but I was told there was a sensitivity dead zone on most PS3 controllers that was caused by the actual programming, if this is the case, then CCP is working with what they were given. Unfortunately i hope this isn't the case, because there are certainly games that have gotten aim sensitivity WAY WAY WAY better then this game. And no once again, it is not just you sucking, don't believe the hype, its BS.

Aim assist shouldnt even be considered in sniping when you always LEAD THE SHOT

As for the fail snipers complaining about the snipers sway,get over it;sniping is about patience

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F0nx 6	Posted - 2012.06.29 01:11:00 - [1] - Quote cant hit a god damn thing, and trust me im an expert sniper in any game, can somebody explain to me the system they're using ? we have drop suits but cant hold my rifle steady ? really WTF
Nihailus Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.06.29 01:16:00 - [2] - Quote ... expert sniper in all games, Well I did play approx 3 rounds now with Sniper and various other weapons, It is suggested that you crouch or dont move while you shoot, also added to that your performance with specific weapons improves with skill points placed to.. one you unlock after IV level on handling.
IR Scifi Algintal Core Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.06.29 01:59:00 - [3] - Quote I haven't had too much time in as a sniper since 2.0 came about so it might have changed (this new map seems terribad for sniping so far but I've only played a couple of rounds). Previously if you crouched and then gave it a second or two it would settle down. After that it'd be pretty smooth outside of shot recoil. I was almost to the point of unlocking the proficiency skill before the wipe but that was supposed to make the sway lessen even more. tl:dr crouch is your friend
Ahnaran 13	Posted - 2012.06.29 02:16:00 - [4] - Quote I may be just whiny, but as someone who isn't super proficient at console shooters I agree that sniping seems to be a bit more difficult than it should be. I quickly found that crouching and staying still helped shake, as it should, but things are still a bit unbalanced past that. Part if it is it seems that aiming is a bit more 'hoppy' than it could be, particularly when scoped. I feel like there should be a larger precision movement area around the center of the stick than there is, and that while scoped you should only turn quickly if you push the stick near the edge. I feel like other games handle this better, though to be honest that could be a lack of skill on my part, i'm just not sure. Another issue is that it seems that the base zoom distance should either be higher, or the base range (or accuracy, or zoom) on assault rifles should be lower, as often those with assault rifles can quickly pick me off at range while I'm trying to line up my shot. It seems like there should be more of a range divide, such that they have to take cover or get a bit closer before being at a reasonable engagement range. I'm sure that to an extent this is a skill issue on my end, but even taking that into account it seems to be a balance issue. Another bit that probably contributes to this is that as far as I can tell, after you've fired a few shots close to someone auto-aim kicks in, giving giving higher rate-of-fire weapons (like the assault rifle, again) an advantage at range, since the sniper has to line up their shot much better than the assault rifle user, which seems a bit broken at longer ranges. Maybe I'm just whiny though, hard to say.
Demonic Chaos Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2012.06.29 03:44:00 - [5] - Quote AFAIK is no autoaim just get it close and it bounces around a bit but you will hit some just keep putting sp into it and you will get better
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.06.29 03:56:00 - [6] - Quote You just suck, I can rack up a **** ton of kills if I wanted too. You just have to find a good position where the enemy can't find you.
slopes66 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2012.06.29 04:07:00 - [7] - Quote Ahnaran wrote: Part if it is it seems that aiming is a bit more 'hoppy' than it could be, particularly when scoped. I feel like there should be a larger precision movement area around the center of the stick than there is, and that while scoped you should only turn quickly if you push the stick near the edge. I feel like other games handle this better, though to be honest that could be a lack of skill on my part, i'm just not sure. Completly 100% agree. This is another must.
F0nx 6	Posted - 2012.06.29 05:31:00 - [8] - Quote Yes i noticed that crouching and being still helps, but still these guys are wearing power suits, and flying across galaxies dont you think the suits would be agumented enough so you can actually snipe without having to camp and hope somebody runs by you FOV ?
Fingal Senga Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation 17	Posted - 2012.06.29 07:48:00 - [9] - Quote Actually I have had a great time sniping on the new map. Run up either side and in behind the buildings, get up on the ledge and work you way round the ledge to front, drop down on to the pipes and run forward. From there I snipe, jump down to take objectives, or if the objective is taken just toss down some remote explosives to crish the hopes and dreams of the next enemy trying to take the objective.
Corvus Ravensong Skyel Industries Subspace Exploration Agency 179	Posted - 2012.06.29 07:55:00 - [10] - Quote use your sniper rifle on overwatch - cover your buddies as tehy run up on an objective, and pick off 1. the guys sneaking up on them or 2. the guys they are engaging.

SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.06.29 08:07:00 - [11] - Quote It is you.
Darkz azurr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2012.06.29 09:46:00 - [12] - Quote Im having np killing people with it, just run to a spot, crouch aim in wait a sec then if someone is running aim a littttle in front of them and shoot them a couple of times... Stand up and adv on to next position.
Brass Stalker Elite Mercenaries 17	Posted - 2012.06.29 11:20:00 - [13] - Quote the scope always sways down and to the left. it just takes practice but eventually it get easier to snag off a qick shot and follow it up with a secondary weapon it also helps to follow your teammeates and let them draw the fire.
Squiddie Squish Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 87	Posted - 2012.06.29 11:36:00 - [14] - Quote i like it . no 360 no scope headshots in this game . no sniping while running, pretty much no sniping while walking its like your actually trying to use a real rifle where shooting at a target 200 yeards away requires concentration , effort, and skill. and before anyone complains . i have done my share of sniping with this build and i still like it, its on my list of things to max out and get the proto 2 play with
F0nx 6	Posted - 2012.06.30 01:23:00 - [15] - Quote yeah the crouching helps, i'm having almost no problems hitting heads now, still feels off though,
Zev Caldari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2012.06.30 01:52:00 - [16] - Quote Sniping is fine I think, but I do agree with the scope issue. It's ridiculous that our scopes only cover ~50% of our max range. Maybe add a second zoom as is common in other shooters? Oftentimes I'll take my SMG into close quarters and then just snipe from behind a pillar, been working great lately.
Mambwe Green 0	Posted - 2012.06.30 02:49:00 - [17] - Quote subtle auto-aim request thread. answer: nope
Ahnaran 13	Posted - 2012.06.30 02:55:00 - [18] - Quote Having played more, I think that while the controls are a tad finicky they aren't too bad. However, there is still a balance issue with the assault rifle for sure.
F0nx 6	Posted - 2012.06.30 06:51:00 - [19] - Quote what setting do you guys use for your sensitivity. Here is an idea why not make the sensitivity controllable while zoomed in. The way this would work is you press the grenade bumper key, the further you press it in the less sensitive the movement it allowing you to be as precise as you need to. what do you guys think ?
Otosan Ookami Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2012.06.30 07:07:00 - [20] - Quote I'm sitting around 60-65 on sensitivity. If you can send a round into every firefight you see... even with no kills you'll find yourself with 20-30k in assists alone. Weaponry 5 + Sniper 5 help a lot in transitioning from Assists to outright kills as well. Hit detection is MUCH better now than it was, but I'm finding unlabeled foes/friends to be more of an impediment.

F0nx 6	Posted - 2012.07.02 09:18:00 - [21] - Quote yeah definitively annoying to have to try and use the reticulate to figure ur friend or foe, especially with the finicky controls when trying to make minute adjustments
Darkz azurr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2012.07.02 09:26:00 - [22] - Quote my sensitivity is on 28
Megamega Stingscream 7	Posted - 2012.07.02 10:39:00 - [23] - Quote Control sensitivity and sniping might need some work still but the biggest problem for me right now is that fact that I see red triangles running across the battlefield on a distance but the suits are not being drawn which means I hold my shots cause I feel that if the guy is not drawn he can't be hit either.
Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.02 10:49:00 - [24] - Quote F0nx wrote: cant hit a god damn thing, and trust me im an expert sniper in any game, can somebody explain to me the system they're using ? we have drop suits but cant hold my rifle steady ? really WTF I trained 1 level in sniper rifle operation. Threw a charged rifle and a nanohive on a militia logistics suit and decided to try sniping for the first time. I killed 8 people after I got used to using the rifle. So yeah, it's just you.
Jonquill Caronite Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2012.07.02 11:06:00 - [25] - Quote I'm sorry, to all the people who say that sniping is fine the way it is, I suggest they go pick up any of Tom Clancey's shooters and turn off all the aim assists. THAT's the type of precision movement we should have on our gun control. I can easilly aim and hit a target in that game, and it has **** to do with aim assist, the controls are just better, they offer much better variable sensitivity on the controller. Of course pardon me for a second on this particular rant, because honestly it may be the controllers or the consoles to... I have yet to confirm this by playing enough PS3 games to be sure, but I was told there was a sensitivity dead zone on most PS3 controllers that was caused by the actual programming, if this is the case, then CCP is working with what they were given. Unfortunately i hope this isn't the case, because there are certainly games that have gotten aim sensitivity WAY WAY WAY better then this game. And no once again, it is not just you sucking, don't believe the hype, its BS.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2012.07.02 12:16:00 - [26] - Quote Jonquill Caronite wrote: I'm sorry, to all the people who say that sniping is fine the way it is, I suggest they go pick up any of Tom Clancey's shooters and turn off all the aim assists. THAT's the type of precision movement we should have on our gun control. I can easilly aim and hit a target in that game, and it has **** to do with aim assist, the controls are just better, they offer much better variable sensitivity on the controller. Of course pardon me for a second on this particular rant, because honestly it may be the controllers or the consoles to... I have yet to confirm this by playing enough PS3 games to be sure, but I was told there was a sensitivity dead zone on most PS3 controllers that was caused by the actual programming, if this is the case, then CCP is working with what they were given. Unfortunately i hope this isn't the case, because there are certainly games that have gotten aim sensitivity WAY WAY WAY better then this game. And no once again, it is not just you sucking, don't believe the hype, its BS. Aim assist shouldnt even be considered in sniping when you always LEAD THE SHOT As for the fail snipers complaining about the snipers sway,get over it;sniping is about patience
Kyy Seiska Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 188	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:47:00 - [27] - Quote Sniping in Dust 514 is far more stationary than in many other games. Moving while aiming and quickscoping are pretty much no go. Another thing to note in sniping is that the map design often forces snipers to seek for a higher ground or alternatively stick to more open areas. If I am on the ground level my aiming gets constantly interrupted as there are just so many things blocking the view, including player tanks. If you are looking for quick scoping, i'd recommend checking out the tactical assault rifles. They are generally easier to use while moving and with decent gun, skills, and gear you'll might not 2 shot players but the higher rate of fire allows you to pull for more hits than normal sniper rifle.
BAD FURRY Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:51:00 - [28] - Quote F0nx wrote: cant hit a god damn thing, and trust me im an expert sniper in any game, can somebody explain to me the system they're using ? we have drop suits but cant hold my rifle steady ? really WTF WOW OP are you full of derp or what ? ever trying sitting down and then taking the shot ? BTW i use the sniper all the time in game and i walk a way with 33kills and 1-3 deaths so as for you cant hit any thing that's because you suck not the game bro !
BAD FURRY Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:52:00 - [29] - Quote my sensitivity is on 85% and as for what i think i think its fine the way it is CCP dont been down to the noobs here they just suck and would kill the game
Asno Masamang Odd Shadows Inc 122	Posted - 2012.07.02 15:01:00 - [30] - Quote Greetings, F0nx wrote: cant hit a god damn thing, and trust me im an expert sniper in any game, can somebody explain to me the system they're using ? we have drop suits but cant hold my rifle steady ? really WTF Based on when this was posted, I am guessing you are on the 2.0 build... So if you are having that much trouble then, no you are not an expert sniper in any game. I am a seriously craptastic player and I am still sniping and killing targets out to 200 meters. My K/D rate would make many people cry and I still manage to snipe people out of LAVs and Dropships or snipe them while they try to take an objective. I have my sensitivity set to 85, level 1 Sniping skill and I can still get the occasional 1HK versus heavy suits using the Charge Sniper rifle.

The Priceman Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.07.02 15:08:00 - [31] - Quote Once you aim down the sight for a certain length of time, the sway almost completely goes away. I prefered using the Charge Sniper Rifle - it seemed to be the only one with 1-hit kill capabilities for most classes. The reason sniping is hard in most fps games is that there is almost no reason to choose a sniper rifle over an assault rifle. Most fire fights in video games occur within the effective range of assault rifles, leaving snipers vulnerable. Assault rifle users can fight at almost any range, unlike snipers. At distances beyond those of an AR (I did notice the limited range of ARs in dust) it's usually very hard to hit an opponent with a sniper rifle anyway. Some players were using dropships to get onto the buildings, then placed a spawn beacon there. I had quite a bit of fun spawning up there and picking people off, though we were still vulnerable to attack from assault rifles below and from dropships above.
Stile451 Red Star. 76	Posted - 2012.07.02 15:26:00 - [32] - Quote I find the sniper rifles are fine(I know I suck with them but still enjoy using them) although the draw distance when scoped should be increased(I want to know if those red arrows are behind a hill or not).
BAD FURRY Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2012.07.02 15:39:00 - [33] - Quote what they rely should do if anything at a perk to the higher up snipers that give you a point to shot at when some one in your scope is moving to help you trap or lead the guy you want to shoot
Seeker of Cheese Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.07.02 15:40:00 - [34] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: what they rely should do if anything at a perk to the higher up snipers that give you a point to shot at when some one in your scope is moving to help you trap or lead the guy you want to shoot I can see that as a high CPU cost module, but not a perk.
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.07.02 16:00:00 - [35] - Quote I have also noticed if you actually are moving the reticule around scoped, it kills sway. Its just the moment you stop moving it and are stationary the sway kicks in.
Cold Canuck Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.07.02 17:34:00 - [36] - Quote Megamega Stingscream wrote: Control sensitivity and sniping might need some work still but the biggest problem for me right now is that fact that I see red triangles running across the battlefield on a distance but the suits are not being drawn which means I hold my shots cause I feel that if the guy is not drawn he can't be hit either. They can be hit, but not with any reliability.
Lephis Phoenix Algintal Core Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2012.07.02 17:37:00 - [37] - Quote Aming isnt that easy yes, but its far from impossible, try another Sniper Rifle, its easier because of the higher ammunition and damage.
Jokanash Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2012.07.03 00:17:00 - [38] - Quote I think you need to be able to walk the target. Right now your stick moves at a certain distance, at a greater rate of speed. IOW the dead spot on the stick is too large. You should be able to slightly push the button, and get slight movement on the site. Right now you go from no movement to too much movement with too large a dead spot in between the points, once they fix this i think Sniping will be more realistic, but as it stands you can still kill things from a large distant but a little more luck is involved.
Ronin Odachi 38th Joint Tactical Command 127	Posted - 2012.07.03 00:19:00 - [39] - Quote Jokanash wrote: I think you need to be able to walk the target. Right now your stick moves at a certain distance, at a greater rate of speed. IOW the dead spot on the stick is too large. You should be able to slightly push the button, and get slight movement on the site. Right now you go from no movement to too much movement with too large a dead spot in between the points, once they fix this i think Sniping will be more realistic, but as it stands you can still kill things from a large distant but a little more luck is involved. This is why I hate analogue controls. Yeah, hopefully it will be improved upon moving forward, but m/kb support will make the problem obsolete anyway.
F0nx 6	Posted - 2012.07.03 01:02:00 - [40] - Quote In most other games i can make small adjustments to my targeting by moving my charactger left to right, but this makes the sway kick in again, its a pain in the ass because the right stick isnt precise enough when you need it too (long range counter sniping), but all in all once you get used to the idea that you dont have to run around and mix it up in qq you can really do some damage on the field, I'm even getting the hang of quick scope shots (if you do it fast enough your recticle usually is on target and than sways. Aagain the sniper proficiency skill goes a long way.

lycan MUT Blazed Nomadz 2	Posted - 2012.07.03 02:15:00 - [41] - Quote im not here to try an troll you about sniping but i have used the milta sniper an gone 19-4 its easy as hell to snipe if your use to cods sniping or battlefield thats not realistic sniping on here you have to take other things into consideration like distance an crouching an aiming an leading the target pretty much like a real sniper not pick up the rifle quick scope an shoot thats fake an not how sniping is sniping is wonderful how it is
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.03 02:47:00 - [42] - Quote Realizing I'm pretty damn late to this thread, I got myself on top of the western building near C in Skirmish and went 11/1 with a Tactical rifle. The rate of fire more than makes up for the lesser damage.
F0nx 6	Posted - 2012.07.03 04:49:00 - [43] - Quote For me it's the clip size that makes the dif...headshots take care of the dmg issue
Jackeith Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.07.03 08:30:00 - [44] - Quote My issue isnt with the sniper precision, but the glitchy movement of the dropsuits you try to shoot. Its like it skips animatns or they blink around when moving ie around firing at something. Looks as if they are dodging. Makes it impossible to track them. I think its a distance issue, because when I'm tracing someone close, I dont have the problem.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.03 10:31:00 - [45] - Quote 22/0 my record snipin and this is my first shooter so if nooby me can do it its not so hard. Get a better rifle would b my advice.
Jonquill Caronite Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2012.07.03 10:39:00 - [46] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Jonquill Caronite wrote: I'm sorry, to all the people who say that sniping is fine the way it is, I suggest they go pick up any of Tom Clancey's shooters and turn off all the aim assists. THAT's the type of precision movement we should have on our gun control. I can easilly aim and hit a target in that game, and it has ** to do with aim assist, the controls are just better, they offer much better variable sensitivity on the controller. Of course pardon me for a second on this particular rant, because honestly it may be the controllers or the consoles to... I have yet to confirm this by playing enough PS3 games to be sure, but I was told there was a sensitivity dead zone on most PS3 controllers that was caused by the actual programming, if this is the case, then CCP is working with what they were given. Unfortunately i hope this isn't the case, because there are certainly games that have gotten aim sensitivity WAY WAY WAY better then this game. And no once again, it is not just you sucking, don't believe the hype, its BS. Aim assist shouldnt even be considered in sniping when you always LEAD THE SHOT As for the fail snipers complaining about the snipers sway,get over it;sniping is about patience Hate to point this out, but in my quote I said: Quote:** and turn off all the aim assists. The point was, and I thought this would be clear to anyone who actually read the post, that other games have better sensitivity control, and better handling and ALLOW players to demonstrate superior skill and strategy rather then learning to play with clunky controls and fighting the mechanics... Did I say it couldn't be done? No anyone who spends enough time grinding away with ANY control set can eventually master it, but that doesn't mean all control sets are made equal, and this all applies regardless of aim assist, I dont support aim assist in fact. Just good quality sensitivity control that allows the player to focus more on the game, and less on compensating for crap controls.


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