DUST Search - Now's Your Time to Try EVE

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Derpty Derp wrote:

You know how most people who play CCP games like making people rage and getting easy kills with superior stats... Well, this is a very clever way to create more opportunities of that for their longtime subscribers.

My guess is the Freebies will be the Bloobs (blueberries) of Eve.

Freebies will, more likely, learn the joy of swarming the ever-living bejeezus out of veteran pilots.

Doesn't matter how fracking powerful your Raven/Abaddon/Maelstrom/Megathron battleships is. 30 3-day-old newbies will take your cocky ass to the cleaners if even ONE of them thinks to train/fit warp disruptors or scrams.

Nothing Sexier than getting a killmail that's worth 120x the total value of your entire small fleet, even if you lose half of your ships. And Battleships can cost somewhere upwards of 250-400 million depending on the fit, and what modules. That kind of salvage is RICH loot to a pack of newbies.

Rookie ships are free. Even a PvP fit Rifter only costs what, a mil, tops?

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DUST Fiend 18572	Posted - 2016.08.31 15:08:00 - [1] - Quote It won't be til later on in the year (November) but EVE is getting a limited F2P option. Still not really my cup of tea but I figured this would interest a number of you here. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus
Lightning35 Delta514 Federation Marines 62 5014	Posted - 2016.08.31 16:12:00 - [2] - Quote https://youtu.be/iBWyoHvT5eU CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company Gallente - Freedom - Quafe - Gk.0s/Gv.0s - 72m SP
Mobius Wyvern Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8352	Posted - 2016.08.31 16:15:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah, I'm really excited about this. I've already seen quite a few people intending to play the game now that you can play it for free in a limited capacity. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 575	Posted - 2016.08.31 17:03:00 - [4] - Quote It will kill EVE online as we know it. Mark my words. This is Skirmish v1.0
Mobius Wyvern Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8352	Posted - 2016.08.31 17:21:00 - [5] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It will kill EVE online as we know it. Mark my words. It will have no negative effect whatsoever. The DevBlog already details all the limitations of Alpha Clones, their intent to keep watch for problems with botting or ganking, and practically PLEADS for players to give as much feedback as possible to help them make the system balanced at release. Post constructively in the Comments thread to help them develop the feature. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Marston VC SVER True Blood RUST415 1895	Posted - 2016.08.31 17:21:00 - [6] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It will kill EVE online as we know it. Mark my words. Just like warping to 0 did? Marston VC, STB Director
DUST Fiend 18575	Posted - 2016.08.31 17:28:00 - [7] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It will kill EVE online as we know it. Mark my words. Just like warping to 0 did? If nothing else it should make things feel a little more lively with all those alt ships orbiting gates and the like lol. That said, I've had no intention on going back to EVE at all, but I might float around and take some pics once it's free. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 1100	Posted - 2016.08.31 18:40:00 - [8] - Quote I'm still playing it because **** it why not. Just because it's free does not mean it's fun Dustkillz and chill
LOOKMOM NOHANDS 1207	Posted - 2016.08.31 19:42:00 - [9] - Quote I think this is a great replacement to the free trial and should help greatly grow the game. I am interested in how exactly the switch back and forth between clones will work. I wonder how much this system will influence or is influenced by Nova. FAREWELL 514 /// FAREWELL CCP UNTIL WE HAVE NOVA OR FOREVER WHICH EVER ONE COMES FIRST
DUST Fiend 18575	Posted - 2016.08.31 19:58:00 - [10] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: I wonder how much this system will influence or is influenced by Nova. Not at all is likely a safe bet. I wouldn't expect Nova to share anything but Lore for the most part, at least in the first year or so. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus

John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 2147	Posted - 2016.08.31 20:00:00 - [11] - Quote God, goooooood, gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.... We are dead. Please support fair play!
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1170	Posted - 2016.08.31 21:00:00 - [12] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It will kill EVE online as we know it. Mark my words. Why do you think that? You will only be able to train basic skills for your faction as an Alpha clone. That will allow a heap of new players to experience EvE on at least three different factions, more if they set up additional (free) accounts. You will need to subscribe to access all skills as an Omega clone, exactly as a full subscription works today. This will give anyone who wants to try EvE the ability to do so, anyone who wants to just use basic faction skills without the need for subscription to do so, and anyone who wants the full experience to subscribe and do so. How will this kill EvE as we know it, which is basicly the fully subscribed Omega clone? Surely this Omega clone experience is "EvE as we know it", and won't change, as far as I can see...
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1170	Posted - 2016.08.31 21:07:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It will kill EVE online as we know it. Mark my words. It will have no negative effect whatsoever. The DevBlog already details all the limitations of Alpha Clones, their intent to keep watch for problems with botting or ganking, and practically PLEADS for players to give as much feedback as possible to help them make the system balanced at release. Post constructively in the Comments thread to help them develop the feature. Agreed Mobius. For those of us with active advanced subscriptions, we can already see that the Omega clone is just the same as we already have, and won't change, other than cosmeticly to allow the introduction of the "default" Alpha clone state. I myself am planning to trial letting my subscription lapse and going back to Alpha on both my Caldari and Gallente mains, just to see what it's like. I don't plan to leave them that way, but it would be nice to see what the limitations are. I'm particularly excited that CCP haven't lost the significance of factions - the Alpha clones will be limited to their own faction (race) just as I have always envisaged a new "clone-in-training" would be from day one, and will only have access to other races/ ships/ technologies through upgrading to Omega. I think the naming "Alpha" and "Omega" of the two clone states is a bit clunky. What happens with all the states in between - Beta, Gamma, etc? I'd rather see them as "Basic" and "Advanced" or something, but it will still work regardless of the naming. I see this as a positive step and a way for Dust players to try EvE for free just as they have with Dust, albeit within their own faction - that will give them plenty of training time in which to decide whether they want to go full subscription or stay on Alpha. Positive all round as far as I can see...
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1170	Posted - 2016.08.31 21:11:00 - [14] - Quote John Psi wrote: God, goooooood, gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.... We are dead. Seriously? Well, I have to ask who is "We"? Is that "We" Dust players or "We" EvE players, and why are we "dead" - just what about this change to EvE is causing you to think this is "the end"?
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1539	Posted - 2016.08.31 21:27:00 - [15] - Quote You know how most people who play CCP games like making people rage and getting easy kills with superior stats... Well, this is a very clever way to create more opportunities of that for their longtime subscribers. My guess is the Freebies will be the Bloobs (blueberries) of Eve.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8478	Posted - 2016.08.31 22:09:00 - [16] - Quote So basically they added a free trial with limited features and no time limit? Sounds like a positive to me. I mean they had this to a degree before where trial accounts could not train certain skills. And to be honest, I felt something like this coming for some time and would not be surprised in the slightest if Nova has nearly the exact same model EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
DUST Fiend 18577	Posted - 2016.08.31 22:22:00 - [17] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: and would not be surprised in the slightest if Nova has nearly the exact same model Awhut? FPS with subscription basically doesn't exist, and probably never will. Also last we heard skills were being revisited and looked like they were being turned into something closer to an unlock system. Basically this model wouldn't possibly work in Nova, and will likely just be F2P with boosters and the like. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14171	Posted - 2016.08.31 22:31:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: FPS with subscription basically doesn't exist, and probably never will. Also last we heard skills were being revisited and looked like they were being turned into something closer to an unlock system. Basically this model wouldn't possibly work in Nova, and will likely just be F2P with boosters and the like. It kind of already existed in DUST 514. The sub was just hidden behind inside purchasing an active and passive booster each month: roughly $15. This accelerated the rate of SP acquisition. In the Clone State model CCP created for EVE you accumulate SP more slowly as an alpha clone. Rattati said something about having to use a piece of gear to earn XP with it in nova, right? Well imagine if being an omega clone in nova increased that XP gain rate by 50%. Only $15 a month! It's basically a booster, just by a different name. CCP could also limit players to the weapons/dropsuits of their chosen race if they are alpha clones, just like how EVE ships are restricted. This has the added bonus of tying nova and EVE together with a common lore element. My advice to you, playa.
DUST Fiend 18577	Posted - 2016.08.31 22:32:00 - [19] - Quote If CCP puts a subscription on Nova I will have a field day. An absolute field day. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14171	Posted - 2016.08.31 22:33:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: If CCP puts a subscription on Nova I will have a field day. An absolute field day. You will have a field day because you couldn't see the sub that was already in DUST 514? Unless you mean as a tongue in cheek "I'm DUST Fiend and I'm angwy at nuffing!" kind of way; if so, you should totally do it. I'd watch that video. My advice to you, playa.

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8478	Posted - 2016.08.31 22:35:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: If CCP puts a subscription on Nova I will have a field day. An absolute field day. This is CCP you know... Honestly though even if they don't lock content behind a sub wall, ai could see them having a sub option that basically comes with perks you can otherwise buy ala carte EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
DUST Fiend 18579	Posted - 2016.08.31 23:11:00 - [22] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: If CCP puts a subscription on Nova I will have a field day. An absolute field day. This is CCP you know... Honestly though even if they don't lock content behind a sub wall, ai could see them having a sub option that basically comes with perks you can otherwise buy ala carte Wooo pay creep, everyones favorite balance destroyer! F2P is tough if you don't have much market for cosmetic things. Basically in an FPS they pretty much have to give you a direct advantage of some kind. Boosters were clever because it sort of absorbed the brunt of that advantage by spreading it out, but the simple fact is a boosted character has more advantage than a non boosted one. Not through direct 1 to 1 advantage, but through versatility. This again was absorbed later on as more people had a build or two fleshed out, so it became less apparent to the average player. I've accepted that Nova is likely going to **** me off on many fronts, but if they manage to introduce clear P2W I will lose my raisins. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus
Dreis ShadowWeaver RIP DUST 514 9468	Posted - 2016.08.31 23:19:00 - [23] - Quote This is an excellent idea, I'll definitely come back and check out EVE again when this launches. It might even get me into subscribing later down the line. I don't think I would have ever gone back to EVE again otherwise. We did it for Nigel ( ; ~;)7 Come play BF4 with me on PS3! PSN: AnimeLover456 Tomoko is mai waifu
Mobius Wyvern Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8354	Posted - 2016.09.01 00:36:00 - [24] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: This is an excellent idea, I'll definitely come back and check out EVE again when this launches. It might even get me into subscribing later down the line. I don't think I would have ever gone back to EVE again otherwise. I've been seeing many people thinking that way. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13186	Posted - 2016.09.01 08:19:00 - [25] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: You know how most people who play CCP games like making people rage and getting easy kills with superior stats... Well, this is a very clever way to create more opportunities of that for their longtime subscribers. My guess is the Freebies will be the Bloobs (blueberries) of Eve. Freebies will, more likely, learn the joy of swarming the ever-living bejeezus out of veteran pilots. Doesn't matter how fracking powerful your Raven/Abaddon/Maelstrom/Megathron battleships is. 30 3-day-old newbies will take your cocky ass to the cleaners if even ONE of them thinks to train/fit warp disruptors or scrams. Nothing Sexier than getting a killmail that's worth 120x the total value of your entire small fleet, even if you lose half of your ships. And Battleships can cost somewhere upwards of 250-400 million depending on the fit, and what modules. That kind of salvage is RICH loot to a pack of newbies. Rookie ships are free. Even a PvP fit Rifter only costs what, a mil, tops? Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 2147	Posted - 2016.09.01 13:35:00 - [26] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: John Psi wrote: God, goooooood, gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.... We are dead. Seriously? Well, I have to ask who is "We"? Is that "We" Dust players or "We" EvE players, and why are we "dead" - just what about this change to EvE is causing you to think this is "the end"? There is only one positive thing: 1. F2P shooter can not be integrated into existing EVE model. 2. Shooter without integration is absolutely uninteresting. 3. Perhaps the integration will be possible on the basis of a new EVE model. Please support fair play!
DUST Fiend 18588	Posted - 2016.09.01 14:12:00 - [27] - Quote John Psi wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: John Psi wrote: God, goooooood, gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.... We are dead. Seriously? Well, I have to ask who is "We"? Is that "We" Dust players or "We" EvE players, and why are we "dead" - just what about this change to EvE is causing you to think this is "the end"? There is only one positive thing: 1. F2P shooter can not be integrated into existing EVE model. 2. Shooter without integration is absolutely uninteresting. 3. Perhaps the integration will be possible on the basis of a new EVE model. If you're holding out for EVE connection with Nova you should probably take a walk to your nearest Biomass facility. It will be far more satisfying. Lord of all things salty, purveyor of gloomish doom and naysayer extraordinaire. AV Incubus Specialist, Ex Prometheus
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1539	Posted - 2016.09.01 14:54:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: You know how most people who play CCP games like making people rage and getting easy kills with superior stats... Well, this is a very clever way to create more opportunities of that for their longtime subscribers. My guess is the Freebies will be the Bloobs (blueberries) of Eve. Freebies will, more likely, learn the joy of swarming the ever-living bejeezus out of veteran pilots. Doesn't matter how fracking powerful your Raven/Abaddon/Maelstrom/Megathron battleships is. 30 3-day-old newbies will take your cocky ass to the cleaners if even ONE of them thinks to train/fit warp disruptors or scrams. Nothing Sexier than getting a killmail that's worth 120x the total value of your entire small fleet, even if you lose half of your ships. And Battleships can cost somewhere upwards of 250-400 million depending on the fit, and what modules. That kind of salvage is RICH loot to a pack of newbies. Rookie ships are free. Even a PvP fit Rifter only costs what, a mil, tops? 16 bloobs couldn't even work together to read a map and find the objective in Dust... What makes you think 30 of them will be able to navigate in space as a team? lol. But yeah, I'd guess you'll see a lot of vets using this tactic with newly created accounts... Sounds like they've created a low risk high reward mechanic.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 2147	Posted - 2016.09.01 15:48:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: If you're holding out for EVE connection with Nova you should probably take a walk to your nearest Biomass facility. John Psi wrote: 2. Shooter without integration is absolutely uninteresting. We have thousands of varieties of this stuff. If there is no integration - another variety no one would notice. Please support fair play!
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 16020	Posted - 2016.09.02 01:49:00 - [30] - Quote John Psi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: If you're holding out for EVE connection with Nova you should probably take a walk to your nearest Biomass facility. John Psi wrote: 2. Shooter without integration is absolutely uninteresting. We have thousands of varieties of this stuff. If there is no integration - another variety no one would notice. Except Dust had integration that was so poorly done only 1% used it (I think it was even lower than that, but can't remember the exact number). People will play a good shooter, and EVE players will keep Nova afloat so long as it is not crap, until such time as new things like integration can be added. Doing things the right way is more important at this point than doing any old thing. That is what Dust did, and we are lucky it lasted as long as it did. In some ways Fanfest 14 and Legion were a blessing in disguise because the previous team on Dust was awful, and the Legion disaster forced their ouster to get someone like Rattati on board to point things in the right direction. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.



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