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CCP Logicloop GÇÅ@CCP_LogicLoop 7h7 hours ago
Keeping busy with my maps here. Work work work. =D

CCP Logicloop actually tweeted something new:

Not really great new info but it is something.

I can't understand why you're so adamant that CCP NEEDS to update. They don't, and they are wise not to.

Gives me hope that they're learning from past mistakes, if not a bit too zealously. Look. They promised the moon and barely jumped off the diving board. Forums got nasty and youtube whoo-oars fanned the flame. Follow that with the Rouge Wedding and the pending 1.3 update (wink), it's no wonder the powers that be are avoiding making any kind of confirmation or denial. Nothing has worked to expectation, and even the things that seemed controllable before the plug was pulled, higher-ups took that control right away. Honestly, CCP Shanghai has been damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

I would probably be curled up in the fetal position wetting myself if I had gone through half of what they have had to deal with flanked on both sides by upper management and a frothing entitled "fan-base" that's never satisfied.

They have always had my respect, more or less. I like to think I'm realistic and patient. That's partly why I am still here. I would prefer some information, but I can totally understand the avoidance---assuming I'm calling motive as it is. If I'm wrong then only time will tell.

CCP did get torn to pieces post-legion announcement, that much is true. But, again, even the way they made the legion announcement was an example of exactly how not to do PR/marketing. You don't proclaim an existing title is being sunset and a new, completely unknown, title will be taking its place on a different platform like that. You do it in posts on the forums first maybe a youtube video from CCP Rouge discussing the Whys and Hows.

Once you have the existing player base nicely acclimated to the idea you can make a big song and dance of it at fanfest.

All that to say CCP royally **** the bed on the legion announcement and because of their inability to roll legion out properly now the players have to deal with essentially zero communication. The backlash from legion wasn't completely on us, but CCP "punishes" us with no communication as if it was our fault.

CCP did get torn to pieces post-legion announcement, that much is true. But, again, even the way they made the legion announcement was an example of exactly how not to do PR/marketing.

Let's not forget the herculean effort to push boosters, aurum and packs on us for months, close to half a year, just before FF14. As well as the 10 year road map, and claims of exciting news about Dust before FF14.

In my opinion this goes well beyond bad PR/Marketing. That's just plain mean spirited, and I don't feel anyone is ever justified in saying "oh well look how everyone acted when FF14 hit" to defend CCPs lack of communication (not saying you did Ripley).

I'm fine with the silence at this point, I just really hope they would tell us if Nova had indeed been canceled or green lit. And if it's neither tell us "we want to do Nova, but there is currently an obstacle preventing it. We will know more in the next X to X months".

"I see dead communities... They post on forums like regular communities... They don't see the truth... They only see what they want to see... They don't know they are dead."

That is a possibility. It would allow development to continue is a kind of ****** limbo state for a long time without actually requiring CCP to commit to anything. That doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings about Nova's future... but it's something!

Ok I've got a rough conspiracy theory-

Rather than create a brand new-ish shooter to hopefully one day tie into EVE, a very old game at this point, CCP has decided to create a brand new EVE. Since Nova is moving to PC, and both games take place in the same universe, CCP will simply create 1 game.

Let's not forget the herculean effort to push boosters, aurum and packs on us for months, close to half a year, just before FF14. As well as the 10 year road map, and claims of exciting news about Dust before FF14.

In my opinion this goes well beyond bad PR/Marketing. That's just plain mean spirited, and I don't feel anyone is ever justified in saying "oh well look how everyone acted when FF14 hit" to defend CCPs lack of communication (not saying you did Ripley).

I'm fine with the silence at this point, I just really hope they would tell us if Nova had indeed been canceled or green lit. And if it's neither tell us "we want to do Nova, but there is currently an obstacle preventing it. We will know more in the next X to X months".

The EvE community would be in an uproar

It's only a matter of time until the same 5 guys post on 1 or two threads, and Pokey saying that they're still working hard on something.

In all reality though I'm certainly not expecting Nova to ever be tied to EVE, for a lot of reasons, but mainly due to EVEs age. If my research was accurate EVE just turned 13 in May and you figure the absolute best case scenario for Nova would be a full release in 2 years (Pokeys boundless optimism is starting to rub off on me). That leaves you with a game released in 2003 and a game released in 2018 that you now must tie together. Not factoring in the time it would take to iron out Nova enough to begin combining the 2 games.

It just seems far easier to let EVE putter out, even if it takes another 5-10 years, then create a completely new game containing both concepts. I'm no game designer but I would imagine this would be far easier than 2 separate games.

I'm also not knocking EVE. What CCP has done over there is amazing, and without EVE there never would have been a Dust. Good show CCP.

Edit: CCP may also see some new hardware or something on the horizon. Possibly after jumping onto the PS3 instead of waiting for the PS4 (I know, should have been PC from the beginning, just work with me) they've become a bit more careful/hesitant? I know they are sticking with the PC, and I hope the whole VR thing doesn't come into play, but maybe there's some new PC hardware/software coming in the next few years to justify waiting? I would imagine someone here can answer that particular question.

Exactly, they are trying to figure out the best way to drop the bomb.

I realize Nova will be focusing on the basics, but if they were to get a wild hair again and want to take another shot at the combined universe thing I don't think EVE is the game to do it with anymore. It simply can't last forever.

They should've kept 514 online until Nova was green-lit >.>

They should've shut 514 down soon after Legion was announced>.>

Afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. EvE isn't just another game. It actually can last forever (at least in terms of lifespan of MMORPGs). The only thing that would kill it would be collapse of CCP, and even then, someone will likely buy it (or perhaps the player base itself) and continue its operation for the totality of the foreseeable future.