DUST Search - An excellent question has been raised...

Ripley Riley wrote:

byte modal wrote:

Gives me hope that they're learning from past mistakes, if not a bit too zealously. Look. They promised the moon and barely jumped off the diving board. Forums got nasty and youtube whoo-oars fanned the flame. Follow that with the Rouge Wedding and the pending 1.3 update (wink), it's no wonder the powers that be are avoiding making any kind of confirmation or denial. Nothing has worked to expectation, and even the things that seemed controllable before the plug was pulled, higher-ups took that control right away. Honestly, CCP Shanghai has been damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

I would probably be curled up in the fetal position wetting myself if I had gone through half of what they have had to deal with flanked on both sides by upper management and a frothing entitled "fan-base" that's never satisfied.

They have always had my respect, more or less. I like to think I'm realistic and patient. That's partly why I am still here. I would prefer some information, but I can totally understand the avoidance---assuming I'm calling motive as it is. If I'm wrong then only time will tell.

CCP did get torn to pieces post-legion announcement, that much is true. But, again, even the way they made the legion announcement was an example of exactly how not to do PR/marketing. You don't proclaim an existing title is being sunset and a new, completely unknown, title will be taking its place on a different platform like that. You do it in posts on the forums first maybe a youtube video from CCP Rouge discussing the Whys and Hows.

Once you have the existing player base nicely acclimated to the idea you can make a big song and dance of it at fanfest.

All that to say CCP royally **** the bed on the legion announcement and because of their inability to roll legion out properly now the players have to deal with essentially zero communication. The backlash from legion wasn't completely on us, but CCP "punishes" us with no communication as if it was our fault.


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
byte modal 960	Posted - 2016.08.30 16:55:00 - [1] - Quote Neat. An actual post with conversation!!! *closes a 50-page thread on FF8 Save Points*<---- lol. There's meaning in that. The cynic in me wants to say that this DUST514 forum being open is hardly a drain on resources. A few months or a year left on registration? Eh, keep it running. Maybe we'll get back to it for an update 'fore the domain expires. Oh hey, there's a shiny new project over there.... *dusts* it all under the rug and casually forgets about it. We're here. There's only a handful of us posting or making an effort on any level. Honestly, what could alienate us *at this point? Even if they pushed that button (whatever it may be), what harm would it cause the company now? If that's the case, the more time they wedge in to separate us (and reviewers) from the failed stench of DUST514, the better. Whatever may be in development, whether it's NOVA or another mobile platform, will draw a new audience with or without the few lingering holdouts in a ghost forum. That's assuming staff is not being reallocated for other projects, if anything is being developed at all. flips* but the delicious frosted side... gives me hope that they're learning from past mistakes, if not a bit too zealously. Look. They promised the moon and barely jumped off the diving board. Forums got nasty and youtube whoo-oars fanned the flame. Follow that with the Rouge Wedding and the pending 1.3 update (wink), it's no wonder the powers that be are avoiding making any kind of confirmation or denial. Nothing has worked to expectation, and even the things that seemed controllable before the plug was pulled, higher-ups took that control right away. Honestly, CCP Shanghai has been damned if they do, and damned if they don't. I would probably be curled up in the fetal position wetting myself if I had gone through half of what they have had to deal with flanked on both sides by upper management and a frothing entitled "fan-base" that's never satisfied. They have always had my respect, more or less. I like to think I'm realistic and patient. That's partly why I am still here. I would prefer some information, but I can totally understand the avoidance---assuming I'm calling motive as it is. If I'm wrong then only time will tell. When does this domain expire? I'm teasing of course. It's a thin line. I'm sure it is for a lot of us. But. We're still here.... that means something. kitten bacon taco (nom)
byte modal 961	Posted - 2016.08.30 20:05:00 - [2] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: byte modal wrote: Gives me hope that they're learning from past mistakes, if not a bit too zealously. Look. They promised the moon and barely jumped off the diving board. Forums got nasty and youtube whoo-oars fanned the flame. Follow that with the Rouge Wedding and the pending 1.3 update (wink), it's no wonder the powers that be are avoiding making any kind of confirmation or denial. Nothing has worked to expectation, and even the things that seemed controllable before the plug was pulled, higher-ups took that control right away. Honestly, CCP Shanghai has been damned if they do, and damned if they don't. I would probably be curled up in the fetal position wetting myself if I had gone through half of what they have had to deal with flanked on both sides by upper management and a frothing entitled "fan-base" that's never satisfied. They have always had my respect, more or less. I like to think I'm realistic and patient. That's partly why I am still here. I would prefer some information, but I can totally understand the avoidance---assuming I'm calling motive as it is. If I'm wrong then only time will tell. CCP did get torn to pieces post-legion announcement, that much is true. But, again, even the way they made the legion announcement was an example of exactly how not to do PR/marketing. You don't proclaim an existing title is being sunset and a new, completely unknown, title will be taking its place on a different platform like that. You do it in posts on the forums first maybe a youtube video from CCP Rouge discussing the Whys and Hows. Once you have the existing player base nicely acclimated to the idea you can make a big song and dance of it at fanfest. All that to say CCP royally **** the bed on the legion announcement and because of their inability to roll legion out properly now the players have to deal with essentially zero communication. The backlash from legion wasn't completely on us, but CCP "punishes" us with no communication as if it was our fault. Yeah, I think we're kind of aligned here. I think how they handled LEGION blew up in their faces and since, have gone too far in the opposite direction to compensate. Or to at least avoid similar backlash for anything else. My opinion is that they went too far though. I don't take it as punishment, but I do think that due to some of our reaction and potential bad press, they are holding back. I can understand that, but I think it's misguided and too knee-jerk. Again, assuming that's even what's going on. Hell if I know, tbh. fingers crossed, and such? kitten bacon taco (nom)
byte modal 961	Posted - 2016.08.30 20:10:00 - [3] - Quote lol. I wonder though: if I were independently developing a game, where would I stand? I kind think I would be damn near militant about it. "It's my game, fuggers! If you want to play it then play it! Otherwise, stuff the fudd buck and let me do my thing! fingers in the air" lol. probably a good thing I can't code. But if I did, I'd be hellagood at it and would be justified in my stance. kitten bacon taco (nom)
byte modal 961	Posted - 2016.08.30 23:05:00 - [4] - Quote ^general numbness. that's pretty much it for me, really. I can think and speculate but it's rather pointless. I'd even go so far as to say that rebuilding a relationship with the remaining what.. like 7% (?) of the player base isn't really worth it considering that the larger portion of the player base from DUST will mostly hate anything they release at this point because it's not "dust" or what dust "could have been." Safe bet is to work on attracting a new core. If anyone filters in from the past, bonus but not primary. If that's the case, this forum site is just a nod to the faithful few that at this point may eat anything given. Just my gut feeling from a marketing perspective. gah i hate to sound so cold about that! ha. sorry =\ kitten bacon taco (nom)