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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:48:00 -
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Why not just keep Dust running until you release the open beta for Project NOVA?
I realise someone has to startup the servers every day and fix sh*t when it hits the fan as often as it does, it still requires a few people you could use for working on NOVA, but keeping Dust alive would keep a lot of people happy I believe.
#ProjectNOVA is upon us!
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SAMEERio
Pug-Nus The-Office
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Posted - 2016.05.05 18:52:00 -
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CCP don't like the fact that Dust is draining their money
Eat my Shorts!
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GeorgeN76
Eden Claims Corp
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Posted - 2016.05.05 19:16:00 -
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Reopen the marketplace and let us buy stuff- There's gear i still want to buy!
Add a disclaimer about the game shutting down & such so its legally ok
We're happy to play Dust
Ccp is happy to make $
Win win for everyone
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.05 23:03:00 -
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GeorgeN76 wrote:Reopen the marketplace and let us buy stuff- There's gear i still want to buy!
Add a disclaimer about the game shutting down & such so its legally ok
We're happy to play Dust
Ccp is happy to make $
Win win for everyone I would think this was reasonable if they did it. Sadly, they seem oblivious to any suggestions from us now. I think they are completely set on shutting down Dust, and won't consider any other option. |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.05.06 00:36:00 -
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What's the point?
Besides, maybe we won't have that long to wait for the Alpha. They said sometime this year, so we have no window on when it might be during this year.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:25:00 -
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There is no point in this. Maintaining those battle servers for a now-officially-dead game is a complete waste of resources from a business perspective especially since no one has any access to anything to buy anything at all from the PlayStation Store to cover for the costs. Not to mention having to devote at least a dev or two to maintain it.
That is man hours and money being wasted away for no good reason other than to just do it out of principle. Man hours and money that is better off being used to build up Project Nova into a game you and I always dreamed of.
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SOGZ PANDA
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:29:00 -
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There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better.
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dusty5678
EVE Corporation 917412
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Posted - 2016.05.06 08:11:00 -
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SOGZ PANDA wrote:There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better.
That's a very big assumption that Nova will be better than DUST. I mean, this is CCP we're talking about, you never know with these people. |
PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2016.05.06 08:52:00 -
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Because that's a smart and reasonable idea and we all know how CCP feels about intelligence and reason.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2016.05.06 09:07:00 -
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dusty5678 wrote:SOGZ PANDA wrote:There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better.
That's a very big assumption that Nova will be better than DUST. I mean, this is CCP we're talking about, you never know with these people. It's already better than Dust.
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.06 10:02:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:dusty5678 wrote:SOGZ PANDA wrote:There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better.
That's a very big assumption that Nova will be better than DUST. I mean, this is CCP we're talking about, you never know with these people. It's already better than Dust. It's already not as good as Dust. |
Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2016.05.06 11:07:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:and fix sh*t when it hits the fan as often as it does They should probably hire someone for that. |
james selim brownstein
NECROM0NGERS Spaceships in Space
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Posted - 2016.05.06 11:11:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:and fix sh*t when it hits the fan as often as it does They should probably hire someone for that. *Plumber
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2016.05.06 11:56:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:True Adamance wrote:dusty5678 wrote:SOGZ PANDA wrote:There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better.
That's a very big assumption that Nova will be better than DUST. I mean, this is CCP we're talking about, you never know with these people. It's already better than Dust. It's already not as good as Dust. Given you haven't even touched the demo pardon me if I call bullshit on that assertion.
Waves that dye the land gold.
Blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat.
A path the Sef descend drawn in ash.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2016.05.06 12:58:00 -
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It's called starving an addiction. See you get a person addicted then you take it away and let them start scratching and contorting, begging for more. Then hit them with a new product. BAM! Instant OD, they survive and are now hooked on the new game. If the old game is still there or has been there recent enough to compare the new product to then it hurts the new product. Best to leave a big wmpty gap.
It's the same thing Coca-Cola did.
CCP logic GÇô This isn't an actual product. This is only a project. We might not do it at all.
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The KTM Duke
EVE Corporation 917412
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Posted - 2016.05.06 13:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:dusty5678 wrote:SOGZ PANDA wrote:There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better.
That's a very big assumption that Nova will be better than DUST. I mean, this is CCP we're talking about, you never know with these people. It's already better than Dust. Hard to judge something that has a demo and nothing more as certain, without even an alpha you cant compare them.
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Hatemails wont die w/ dust
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.05.06 13:43:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Because that's a smart and reasonable idea and we all know how CCP feels about intelligence and reason. That's not at all smart or reasonable, though. There's no such thing as "just leaving the game online".
You may log into the game via PSN, but ALL in-game functionality is provided by CCP via their own servers, and providing that isn't free. You're basically asking them to just keep trickling cash into a game they aren't even developing anymore, and the fact that it's still running means they also have to spend money on tasking GMs to oversee both the game and the forums in order to ensure everyone plays by the EULA and TOS.
Teminating Dust 514 frees up all money and time spent on it to be used on the replacement, which is good for everyone in the long run. It doesn't make any sense to effectively bleed money into a dead project just to support less than 10,000 people worldwide. That's not at all worth the cost.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2016.05.06 14:12:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Because that's a smart and reasonable idea and we all know how CCP feels about intelligence and reason. That's not at all smart or reasonable, though. There's no such thing as "just leaving the game online". You may log into the game via PSN, but ALL in-game functionality is provided by CCP via their own servers, and providing that isn't free. You're basically asking them to just keep trickling cash into a game they aren't even developing anymore, and the fact that it's still running means they also have to spend money on tasking GMs to oversee both the game and the forums in order to ensure everyone plays by the EULA and TOS. Teminating Dust 514 frees up all money and time spent on it to be used on the replacement, which is good for everyone in the long run. It doesn't make any sense to effectively bleed money into a dead project just to support less than 10,000 people worldwide. That's not at all worth the cost. I know, I just Look for any opportunity to snark. Kinda my thing.
CL, GS & MS, CA & MS, GH & MH, GM & MM are my jam/Logi/objective player first, suck at slayer
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2016.05.06 14:14:00 -
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Double post
CL, GS & MS, CA & MS, GH & MH, GM & MM are my jam/Logi/objective player first, suck at slayer
Am skater w/ ASD
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2016.05.06 16:48:00 -
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Because it is either an asshat move or a move that only results in lost revenue by throwing good money after bad. Let's tackle the first first.
"So they are still letting people buy stuff for a game that is already having it's remake coming out? They are charging us for things that are entirely pointless because it isn't going to matter in regards to Nova. This is nothing more than a greedy moneygrab." Now, maybe that isn't the case. Maybe they just want people to be able to play the game and have the store open so they can pay for the server to stay up. But the perception from everyone who isn't playing the game is going to be "that is a moneygrab and they should be ashamed of themselves."
Now for the bad business part:
How many people were having to spend money for DUST to be profitable? Now how many of those people would still spend their money in order to purchase Aurum in a game that has been announced dead not once, not twice, but thrice now? (Rouge Wedding, "5/30/2016 is the last day", and with Nova being the spiritual successor) Hell, the fact is that most people were angry with the Warbarge system because "wait, isn't this game dead and you are including ways for us to spend lots of money?" shows that people would be unwilling to spend cash now that the game is officially announced dead. I think it would be a lose of money for sure.
The other is also perception. Let's be 100% honest, DUST was not and is not a good game. I would give it 2/5 for some cool ideas and implementations but lag, performance issues, and mediocre play drag it down. Sure, DUST could be your favorite game as a 2/5, there is nothing wrong with that; I enjoyed DUST quite a bit even with knowing it wasn't that great of a game just because I enjoyed it. But Nova is supposed to be the new New Eden FPS. CCP absolutely does not want DUST as an albatross around the neck of their new baby. The last thing you would want is for people to be able to look at DUST before playing Nova if you were hoping to get a fresh impression.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust gives some numbers for the trend of our game. Past year average: 1,735 Past 6 months: 1,472 Past 3 months: 1,129 Past month: 970 Past week: 760
Those numbers would only drop lower and lower if the game was allowed to exist as a zombie-esque, neither dead nor alive.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.05.06 17:39:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Because that's a smart and reasonable idea and we all know how CCP feels about intelligence and reason. That's not at all smart or reasonable, though. There's no such thing as "just leaving the game online". You may log into the game via PSN, but ALL in-game functionality is provided by CCP via their own servers, and providing that isn't free. You're basically asking them to just keep trickling cash into a game they aren't even developing anymore, and the fact that it's still running means they also have to spend money on tasking GMs to oversee both the game and the forums in order to ensure everyone plays by the EULA and TOS. Teminating Dust 514 frees up all money and time spent on it to be used on the replacement, which is good for everyone in the long run. It doesn't make any sense to effectively bleed money into a dead project just to support less than 10,000 people worldwide. That's not at all worth the cost. I know, I just Look for any opportunity to snark. Kinda my thing. Yeah, being snarky can be fun.
Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Trimmed for space. This guy hit the nail right on the head. Trying to keep Dust on life support for the tiny number of people still playing it would only reflect badly on CCP in a business sense and breed bad blood against them from gamers.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
958
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Posted - 2016.05.06 19:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:True Adamance wrote:dusty5678 wrote:SOGZ PANDA wrote:There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better.
That's a very big assumption that Nova will be better than DUST. I mean, this is CCP we're talking about, you never know with these people. It's already better than Dust. It's already not as good as Dust. Given you haven't even touched the demo pardon me if I call bullshit on that assertion. Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS. |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7981
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Posted - 2016.05.06 19:29:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote: Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS.
The things they're "leaving out" are just being left on the back burner until they get the essential gameplay in the best possible state. Dust was fun in spite of its shooter gameplay, not because of it. We want to change that this time around.
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The KTM Duke
EVE Corporation 917412
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Posted - 2016.05.06 19:35:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Because it is either an asshat move or a move that only results in lost revenue by throwing good money after bad. Let's tackle the first first. "So they are still letting people buy stuff for a game that is already having it's remake coming out? They are charging us for things that are entirely pointless because it isn't going to matter in regards to Nova. This is nothing more than a greedy moneygrab." Now, maybe that isn't the case. Maybe they just want people to be able to play the game and have the store open so they can pay for the server to stay up. But the perception from everyone who isn't playing the game is going to be "that is a moneygrab and they should be ashamed of themselves." Now for the bad business part: How many people were having to spend money for DUST to be profitable? Now how many of those people would still spend their money in order to purchase Aurum in a game that has been announced dead not once, not twice, but thrice now? (Rouge Wedding, "5/30/2016 is the last day", and with Nova being the spiritual successor) Hell, the fact is that most people were angry with the Warbarge system because "wait, isn't this game dead and you are including ways for us to spend lots of money?" shows that people would be unwilling to spend cash now that the game is officially announced dead. I think it would be a lose of money for sure. The other is also perception. Let's be 100% honest, DUST was not and is not a good game. I would give it 2/5 for some cool ideas and implementations but lag, performance issues, and mediocre play drag it down. Sure, DUST could be your favorite game as a 2/5, there is nothing wrong with that; I enjoyed DUST quite a bit even with knowing it wasn't that great of a game just because I enjoyed it. But Nova is supposed to be the new New Eden FPS. CCP absolutely does not want DUST as an albatross around the neck of their new baby. The last thing you would want is for people to be able to look at DUST before playing Nova if you were hoping to get a fresh impression. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust gives some numbers for the trend of our game. Past year average: 1,735 Past 6 months: 1,472 Past 3 months: 1,129 Past month: 970 Past week: 760 Those numbers would only drop lower and lower if the game was allowed to exist as a zombie-esque, neither dead nor alive. shutdown announcement killed it, not time not a new game
Made in Bergamo, exporting pain where-ever is needed
Hatemails wont die w/ dust
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XxBlazikenxX
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2016.05.08 04:39:00 -
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CCP has their reasons.
Now whether those reasons are good... is up for grabs.
Rule #1 of Dust 514:
If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2016.05.08 04:50:00 -
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Nova was a pretty fun game. They should release a beta soon so people can try out it. I wouldn't call it better than dust yet still. Those who do obviously never really bothered playing all aspects of dust extensively like i did.
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XxBlazikenxX
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2016.05.08 04:53:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Nova was a pretty fun game. They should release a beta soon so people can try out it. I wouldn't call it better than dust yet still. Those who do obviously never really bothered playing all aspects of dust extensively like i did. Actually across all my alts, I've tried every single dropsuit, weapon, and equipment.
Never got into vehicles, mostly for isk reasons. I'm poor to this day with only 5 mil isk in the wallet as of right now.
I do have to agree with you, while I do believe the gameplay in nova was much more refined, we never got to see much of the other aspects of what made Dust so awesome.
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If you get hatemail, you are doing something right.
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.08 07:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Alena Asakura wrote: Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS.
The things they're "leaving out" are just being left on the back burner until they get the essential gameplay in the best possible state. Dust was fun in spite of its shooter gameplay, not because of it. We want to change that this time around. Well, you may want to, but ground warfare is a lot more than just FPS! I personally couldn't care less about FPS really - I'm far more interested in the EvE link which is very unlikely to ever make it in. By the time it does, Nova will likely be either a very committed FPS or gone for good. As a database developer from some time ago, I know how difficult it is to add something so integral as things like the link to EvE without planning for it at the start. I have only heard repeatedly now that such things are not to be in Nova to start with, and therefore likely never, in my mind.
I repeat what I've stated elsewhere, there is any number of good FPSs out there, producing another one without it having the one thing that makes EvE-based games unique is just simply shortsighted, but CCP in their infinite wisdom is committed to this path, apparently. |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.05.08 17:00:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Alena Asakura wrote: Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS.
The things they're "leaving out" are just being left on the back burner until they get the essential gameplay in the best possible state. Dust was fun in spite of its shooter gameplay, not because of it. We want to change that this time around. Well, you may want to, but ground warfare is a lot more than just FPS! I personally couldn't care less about FPS really - I'm far more interested in the EvE link which is very unlikely to ever make it in. By the time it does, Nova will likely be either a very committed FPS or gone for good. As a database developer from some time ago, I know how difficult it is to add something so integral as things like the link to EvE without planning for it at the start. I have only heard repeatedly now that such things are not to be in Nova to start with, and therefore likely never, in my mind. I repeat what I've stated elsewhere, there is any number of good FPSs out there, producing another one without it having the one thing that makes EvE-based games unique is just simply shortsighted, but CCP in their infinite wisdom is committed to this path, apparently. Look, the demo we were shown at FanFest was inside a Chimera, and they've said that pretty much all the maps starting out will be inside EVE ships to have as much of a visual thematic link to New Eden as possible. That's fine for a start.
Discussions of an economic link aside, it might be tinfoil, but that recent Scope News Report talking about the amount of casualties caused by the destruction of a Citadel and public opinion turning against Upwell Consortium makes me think we might see a possible tie-in as far as a less destructive means of capturing structures. After all, Arkombine Mercenaries - which is entirely composed of clone soldiers - is a founding member of Upwell Consortium. With what CCP Rattati said about Nova players starting out "factionless", it would seem likely the new game will have all players starting out as members of Arkombine.
As to what you said about being a database developer, I would direct your attention to the sheer number of systems added to EVE Online over the years that completely changed how they had to arrange their database structure and calls. This assumption that nothing can ever be added to link the games in the future just because someone put the word "Release" on the game is rather close-minded and overly pessimistic.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2016.05.08 18:52:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote: Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS.
Are you even listening to the devs or aware of what Nova is?
It's a several months old work of an entirely new project designed to show off above all things the capabilities of the Shanghai Team to produce a solid shooter.
Talking with the devs it's apparent they want to to and know they have to keep RPG elements to appeal to the transitioning dust crowd as well and the Eve crowd.
Moreover the demo basically displayed what we know to already exist as well as new additions to the rosters like jump jets and the Thunderbolt rifle.
Specifically what is it you want them to have included at this early stage of development?
Vehicles? Fine. You tell me and CCP Rattati both how you plan to fix and balance them so they don't remain irrelevant to objectives or over powered vs infantry?
Game modes? Are coming by the sounds of if with out doors maps if greenlit. Skirmish 1.0 was mentioned.
More players? Not sure how many more computers could have fit into the Chaos Room guys.... cut these people some slack. They needed a feed back area, place for players to queue, thoroughfare for interested watchers, and room for Project Arena on one small hall. Valkyrie,eve,and gun jack shared the other hall.
SP systems? The **** point?
Fitting options? Really? There were thousands of people and you know how long fitting takes. There wasn't time.
What else do you want?
Waves that dye the land gold.
Blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat.
A path the Sef descend drawn in ash.
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