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Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 948	Posted - 2016.05.05 23:03:00 - [1] - Quote GeorgeN76 wrote: Reopen the marketplace and let us buy stuff- There's gear i still want to buy! Add a disclaimer about the game shutting down & such so its legally ok We're happy to play Dust Ccp is happy to make $ Win win for everyone I would think this was reasonable if they did it. Sadly, they seem oblivious to any suggestions from us now. I think they are completely set on shutting down Dust, and won't consider any other option.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 950	Posted - 2016.05.06 10:02:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: dusty5678 wrote: SOGZ PANDA wrote: There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better. That's a very big assumption that Nova will be better than DUST. I mean, this is CCP we're talking about, you never know with these people. It's already better than Dust. It's already not as good as Dust.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 958	Posted - 2016.05.06 19:13:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: True Adamance wrote: dusty5678 wrote: SOGZ PANDA wrote: There always has to be one with the inability to let go of something for something better. That's a very big assumption that Nova will be better than DUST. I mean, this is CCP we're talking about, you never know with these people. It's already better than Dust. It's already not as good as Dust. Given you haven't even touched the demo pardon me if I call bullshit on that assertion. Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 963	Posted - 2016.05.08 07:43:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS. The things they're "leaving out" are just being left on the back burner until they get the essential gameplay in the best possible state. Dust was fun in spite of its shooter gameplay, not because of it. We want to change that this time around. Well, you may want to, but ground warfare is a lot more than just FPS! I personally couldn't care less about FPS really - I'm far more interested in the EvE link which is very unlikely to ever make it in. By the time it does, Nova will likely be either a very committed FPS or gone for good. As a database developer from some time ago, I know how difficult it is to add something so integral as things like the link to EvE without planning for it at the start. I have only heard repeatedly now that such things are not to be in Nova to start with, and therefore likely never, in my mind. I repeat what I've stated elsewhere, there is any number of good FPSs out there, producing another one without it having the one thing that makes EvE-based games unique is just simply shortsighted, but CCP in their infinite wisdom is committed to this path, apparently.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 963	Posted - 2016.05.09 09:50:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS. The things they're "leaving out" are just being left on the back burner until they get the essential gameplay in the best possible state. Dust was fun in spite of its shooter gameplay, not because of it. We want to change that this time around. Well, you may want to, but ground warfare is a lot more than just FPS! I personally couldn't care less about FPS really - I'm far more interested in the EvE link which is very unlikely to ever make it in. By the time it does, Nova will likely be either a very committed FPS or gone for good. As a database developer from some time ago, I know how difficult it is to add something so integral as things like the link to EvE without planning for it at the start. I have only heard repeatedly now that such things are not to be in Nova to start with, and therefore likely never, in my mind. I repeat what I've stated elsewhere, there is any number of good FPSs out there, producing another one without it having the one thing that makes EvE-based games unique is just simply shortsighted, but CCP in their infinite wisdom is committed to this path, apparently. Look, the demo we were shown at FanFest was inside a Chimera, and they've said that pretty much all the maps starting out will be inside EVE ships to have as much of a visual thematic link to New Eden as possible. That's fine for a start. Discussions of an economic link aside, it might be tinfoil, but that recent Scope News Report talking about the amount of casualties caused by the destruction of a Citadel and public opinion turning against Upwell Consortium makes me think we might see a possible tie-in as far as a less destructive means of capturing structures. After all, Arkombine Mercenaries - which is entirely composed of clone soldiers - is a founding member of Upwell Consortium. With what CCP Rattati said about Nova players starting out "factionless", it would seem likely the new game will have all players starting out as members of Arkombine. As to what you said about being a database developer, I would direct your attention to the sheer number of systems added to EVE Online over the years that completely changed how they had to arrange their database structure and calls. This assumption that nothing can ever be added to link the games in the future just because someone put the word "Release" on the game is rather close-minded and overly pessimistic. Yes, you can change database design and the more extensive or fundamental the changes, the more work is required. However throughout the complete life of EvE Online, the same basic racial and bloodline structure has never changed. Changing such a fundamental design detail would require an amazing amount of work and database modification. The fact is, however, they are talking about NOT having such things as the basic EvE structure, and the MMO functionality and that means they are designing OUT those details. Of course, CCP can put that structure into the database, or simply use the current one, and just code around it, keeping it there for the day they actually use it. The most logical approach I can think of for CCP would be to use the existing database, but if it doesn't fit with the new product, a new database will be required. At the moment, CCP seems to be approaching it as a fundamentally different product....
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 963	Posted - 2016.05.09 09:58:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS. Are you even listening to the devs or aware of what Nova is? It's a several months old work of an entirely new project designed to show off above all things the capabilities of the Shanghai Team to produce a solid shooter. Talking with the devs it's apparent they want to to and know they have to keep RPG elements to appeal to the transitioning dust crowd as well and the Eve crowd. Moreover the demo basically displayed what we know to already exist as well as new additions to the rosters like jump jets and the Thunderbolt rifle. Specifically what is it you want them to have included at this early stage of development? Vehicles? Fine. You tell me and CCP Rattati both how you plan to fix and balance them so they don't remain irrelevant to objectives or over powered vs infantry? Game modes? Are coming by the sounds of if with out doors maps if greenlit. Skirmish 1.0 was mentioned. More players? Not sure how many more computers could have fit into the Chaos Room guys.... cut these people some slack. They needed a feed back area, place for players to queue, thoroughfare for interested watchers, and room for Project Arena on one small hall. Valkyrie,eve,and gun jack shared the other hall. SP systems? The **** point? Fitting options? Really? There were thousands of people and you know how long fitting takes. There wasn't time. What else do you want? What's getting you all uptight? I just want what we were supposed to get with Dust. That's my personal choice, my personal preference. There's no point in getting uptight about it. I'm not interested in FPSs. I know people think of Dust as an FPS, but I never did - I thought of it as a ground-based extension of EvE. We didn't get that. We got an FPS. Yes, it's a good FPS, but it seems that people want more FPS, less EvE. That's fine for them, bad for me. Yes, I'll have a look at Nova if I'm invited, but with them telling us right out of the box they're playing down the MMO and EvE link aspects, I can tell you simply from my own preferences that this will not be satisfactory. It's not a matter of waiting to see. They are already telling us it's not going to be the sort of thing I am looking for.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 963	Posted - 2016.05.09 10:07:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Sorry but to me the demo is irrelevant. What's not good about Nova to me is all the things they've left out to make it a pure FPS. The things they're "leaving out" are just being left on the back burner until they get the essential gameplay in the best possible state. Dust was fun in spite of its shooter gameplay, not because of it. We want to change that this time around. Well, you may want to, but ground warfare is a lot more than just FPS! I personally couldn't care less about FPS really - I'm far more interested in the EvE link which is very unlikely to ever make it in. By the time it does, Nova will likely be either a very committed FPS or gone for good. As a database developer from some time ago, I know how difficult it is to add something so integral as things like the link to EvE without planning for it at the start. I have only heard repeatedly now that such things are not to be in Nova to start with, and therefore likely never, in my mind. I repeat what I've stated elsewhere, there is any number of good FPSs out there, producing another one without it having the one thing that makes EvE-based games unique is just simply shortsighted, but CCP in their infinite wisdom is committed to this path, apparently. You are so full of **** it's not even funny any more. Why, because I'm not writing what you want to read? My own personal preferences aren't for you to pass critique on, sorry. I reserve the right not to like what CCP is doing. Just because the majority of the players of Dust want it to be more FPS, that doesn't mean the fact I don't is in any way wrong. CCP will attract FPS players to Nova. FPS players will NOT want to have the far greater complexity that comes with MMORPG and EvE. There have been any number of people who have stated that. So if CCP wants to add in the EvE stuff later they are going to be doing it against the wishes of the current players at the time. My feeling is they will probably find themselves in a bind if they try to do that.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 963	Posted - 2016.05.09 11:51:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: It's got nothing to do with what I want to read or not... it's someone who knows this is a demo being g overly critical of product they've had jack all experience with all sorts if they were the be all end all authority or what is and isn't acceptable in the New Eden universe. No, I'm totally not criticising Nova at all! From what I can see it's a great start to a great FPS. I'm just not personally interested in a FPS. Whatever it turns into, it's still likely to be a FPS.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 970	Posted - 2016.05.11 10:29:00 - [9] - Quote SOGZ PANDA wrote: There is no product It's a conceptual skin of a game they plan to make, the demo they made a FF may not even exist after FF. You've over criticized the most basic form of conceptual development. Nova already is better than Dust because it's new and fresh. The rest we have no idea about, so opinions are based upon what you interpret the idea of Nova is eventually going to be, not what actually is. Nope. None of what I wrote had anything to do with what was presented at FF. Everything I wrote was based on the purported direction of Nova, the fact that they are focusing on FPS, when I'm not interested in FPS, the fact that the EvE and MMO aspects are apparently not being planned for in the first instance, which would make for a very difficult implementation of them after the fact. What I've seen presented at FF looks good as a FPS. I wouldn't even mind trying it if I were invited. I may not have the PC that it requires, in which case I probably won't be playing it, because I certainly won't be buying a new one for a FPS.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 972	Posted - 2016.05.11 20:56:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: SOGZ PANDA wrote: There is no product It's a conceptual skin of a game they plan to make, the demo they made a FF may not even exist after FF. You've over criticized the most basic form of conceptual development. Nova already is better than Dust because it's new and fresh. The rest we have no idea about, so opinions are based upon what you interpret the idea of Nova is eventually going to be, not what actually is. Nope. None of what I wrote had anything to do with what was presented at FF. Everything I wrote was based on the purported direction of Nova, the fact that they are focusing on FPS, when I'm not interested in FPS, the fact that the EvE and MMO aspects are apparently not being planned for in the first instance, which would make for a very difficult implementation of them after the fact. What I've seen presented at FF looks good as a FPS. I wouldn't even mind trying it if I were invited. I may not have the PC that it requires, in which case I probably won't be playing it, because I certainly won't be buying a new one for a FPS. At some point you have to realize what Dust 514 was and is... and what Nova hopefully will be. It IS a First Person Shooter at its core and then set in the universe of New Eden. Also if you are talking RPGs then the PC has always been the best medium for them. I know what Dust was and is. I certainly don't hope that Nova will be the same. I also know what Dust was initially supposed to be and wasn't. That's what I would like Nova to be, but I'm reasonably certain it won't be. I know all this, you don't need to keep telling me, and I already realise it. That doesn't change my position one iota.

Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 973	Posted - 2016.05.13 10:46:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: True Adamance wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: SOGZ PANDA wrote: There is no product It's a conceptual skin of a game they plan to make, the demo they made a FF may not even exist after FF. You've over criticized the most basic form of conceptual development. Nova already is better than Dust because it's new and fresh. The rest we have no idea about, so opinions are based upon what you interpret the idea of Nova is eventually going to be, not what actually is. Nope. None of what I wrote had anything to do with what was presented at FF. Everything I wrote was based on the purported direction of Nova, the fact that they are focusing on FPS, when I'm not interested in FPS, the fact that the EvE and MMO aspects are apparently not being planned for in the first instance, which would make for a very difficult implementation of them after the fact. What I've seen presented at FF looks good as a FPS. I wouldn't even mind trying it if I were invited. I may not have the PC that it requires, in which case I probably won't be playing it, because I certainly won't be buying a new one for a FPS. At some point you have to realize what Dust 514 was and is... and what Nova hopefully will be. It IS a First Person Shooter at its core and then set in the universe of New Eden. Also if you are talking RPGs then the PC has always been the best medium for them. I know what Dust was and is. I certainly don't hope that Nova will be the same. I also know what Dust was initially supposed to be and wasn't. That's what I would like Nova to be, but I'm reasonably certain it won't be. I know all this, you don't need to keep telling me, and I already realise it. That doesn't change my position one iota. EVE does RPG.... why would you want the same thing regurgitated for dropsuits? Nova doesn't need to follow EVE's model for skull progression and character customisation. Caosuleers and Warclones are fundamentally two different kinds of Immortal. We improve ourselves by suffering through combat repeatedly they need to absorb enormous quantities of information to allow them to essentially mentally command a ships worth of technical functions. You clearly just don't get the point I'm making. Yes, EvE does RPG, which is why I wanted Dust to do RPG and therefore Nova. The link to EvE is what was/is important to me, the FPS stuff secondary to that. The concept that CCP would produce something that didn't have that link, didn't have the RPG stuff, is what I don't like about Nova. Yes, I can go to EvE to do RPG, and will. If Nova doesn't have the RPG I likely won't be playing it. The point about having RPG in Nova is that otherwise, Nova will just be an FPS, and not even one of the best. The thing that made Dust unique among its kind was the EvE link, the RPG, the MMO. Some people didn't like that, but it's still what made it unique. The RPG gives meaning to what goes on in Dust. It would give meaning to what goes on in Nova too. Without it, it's just a lobby shooter.

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