I'm thinking sooner than most are expecting. personally its always been my belief that CCP never stopped working on Legion/Dust 2.0 so choices for me are the closed beta will start just after fanfest this year for FF atendees and perhaps former players. failing that if CCP don't think its quite ready, i'd say a year from now at FF2017 or simultaneous release with EVE's Citadel patch or 2016 major winter patch

SOONGäó indeed

I would say you called it perfectly tho I am leaning more towards 1.5 years to beta, 2 years to final release, and a 70% chance it never even happens.

If fanfest is nothing but another of CCPs famous trailers then I am done with them totally. I am not saying I expect to see something playable but I want to see a fully flushed out plan. Considering they have had 2 years since they first tried to abandon Dust I think a full game plan is the least we can ask for.

I have already put my 2 Eve accounts into stasis, aka I stopped paying for them and they have gone to deactivated status. If CCP can not show that their heads have been removed from their rectal region then I can not in good thinking ever give them money again. The epidemic of horrible decision making at CCP is going to be their undoing an personally I do not want any more of my money to go down with that ship.

Look at this announcement that the game would be shutdown and the new game would be on PC and think about just how close they came to PERFECTLY repeating the mistakes of fanfest 14.

Learning from their mistakes at any real measurable rate is obviously not the strong suit. Something tells me Frame and Rattati literally had to jump up and down screaming fanfest 14 just to get to say what they did when they did. Makes you wonder why so many of us see this new project as already being vaporware with a few trailers before anything has even been shown.


CCP realizes that they have lost their grasp on being a unique company and is struggling to get this status back with the whole VR push. The difference is they are already in contest with real AAA studios and it is hard to see this ending well for them.

It sort of feels like it's way too late for CCP to actually make a push towards making their full potential with their products the EVE universe(EVE,Dust,Valkyrie) since it seems like they have actual competition like Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous. But they are going ahead with it so they may just be able to pull it off.

Edit: and ya we aren't that far from fanfest, they may have been planning to announce that they were shutting down dust514 at fanfest wow lol.

CCP needs to get back to their persistent New Eden EvE universe, with integrated versions of other games that allows people to play whatever roles they want, in a spaceship, on the ground, in a fighter, whatever. The idea that we are to be presented with a plethora of games, all supposedly set in New Eden, but none of them integrating, and therefore losing so much potential, is enough to make me turn my back on them.

I fully expected Dust to be persistent, as is EvE and as it was meant to be, integrated into the EvE universe. To find out first that it's not, in any really meaningful way, and now, that it will simply cease to be, with no port even attempted, is too much for me.

You know, at a certain point people have got to eventually realize that neither of those games is any threat to EVE Online or even New Eden as a whole.

You realize that both of those games are built from the ground up to NOT be player driven the way EVE Online is? Elite: Dangerous only just recently started allowing player groups to apply to possibly be accepted as entities within the galaxy. And that still does nothing about how the largest group of players you can have in gameplay is 4, because if you try and do any cooperative activities with anyone outside your Wing, you never know who's going to get the payout while everyone else gets nothing.

Star Citizen is going to have a "PvP Slider" that allows people in "high-security" regions of the game to pretty much completely remove any contact with other players in what is supposed to be an MMO. Players can make Organizations that work like Corporations in EVE, but territorial ownership and warfare will not be a part of this as the development team feels that would not benefit the game. There's also no means for players to build anything or influence the game economically. At least Elite: Dangerous uses the Community Goals system to provide a little variety even though they still have NPCs making everything.

CCP is NOT under threat by either of those games. All three games have positives and negatives and while they may appeal to some of the same people, they are also built to appeal to different kinds of people.

Yes, the one benefit to CCP's new policy is that when they actually -do- tell us something its not some pipe-dream or far off plan but something that they have already taken action on, seen feasibility, and have a realistic timeframe on getting things done.
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Pretty sure they said something about working on 1.3, since you want to wear rose coloured glasses.

Jesus, its like some of you are wholly incapable of basing judgements using past behaviours as evidence.

You do realize that 1.3 was shut down by someone above CCP Ratattis authority right? He pretty much admitted to that in the either his Thanks thread or the Future of Dust thread.

Or do your rose colored glasses look past blue tags because they dont fit your predetermined sperg rhetoric?

Please do not poke the Mosquito. His salt spasms remind me of what can happen if you get too bitter. That is a valuable public service.

Ripley Riley, is that you?

You do realize that 1.3 was shut down by someone above CCP Ratattis authority right? He pretty much admitted to that in the either his Thanks thread or the Future of Dust thread.

Or do your rose colored glasses look past blue tags because they dont fit your predetermined sperg rhetoric?

Please do not poke the Mosquito. His salt spasms remind me of what can happen if you get too bitter. That is a valuable public service.

\o/ and here come the fanbois to slurp the last drops.

CCP is wishing you were a whale. They might have left the game on for another month if you and yours had spent as many dollars as you typed blindly loyal praise without its due.

Oh Mosquito, you so crayzeh. You keep doing you.

Assuming CCP delivers a new game on PC are you going to join us over there?

Hmm... speaking about life, wouldn't it be cool if there was alien wildlife trying to attack you, too? Or little alien bunnies hopping around? XD

That is a huge assumption, but I might if the reviews indicate positive progress.

Or I might too busy playing BF 7.

I totally wasn't lying about that awesome update I was promising before we killed the game.

Without a reputation for integrity, which CCP has the exact opposite of, there is no reason to give their employees the benefit of the doubt.

You make it seem like the EP wouldn't have been in meetings about his titles futures, which is astounding.

The problem with that is that it is not a simple matter at all to implement. As EVE stands the same techniques they use to allow thousand + player battles also inhibits any meaningful fighter role from interacting with EVE ships in the same space. (Server tick is too slow for fast paced action)

The only way you could even conceivably have it is have some complicated mirror set up where one server is the EVE side, and the other server is Valk side, with the two servers having to talk to each other in set intervals to help relay positions of EVE ships for Valk, and for EVE it would be almost impossible for them to interact with the fighters short of seeing "Fighters" being present.

For that to even work however requires both games to be fully independently realized and made before the technology for such a psudeo-link could be realized.