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Lost Apollo
Moose Knuckle Pros
Devil's Descendants
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:22:00 -
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We all know that the devs are quiet. We all have speculations as to why. My hope is that 1.3 will be huge. I'm sure that our beloeved devs have their reasons for all this. . . silence.
Now, that being said, where are the CPM? If I'm not mistaken, are they supposed to be the middleman between us and the devs? I haven't seen any of them talking about this, damning or reassuring. Why? If I am incorrect then please tell me.
My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless.
State 'Rasetsu' Assault
Born - April 1, 2013
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
13
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:24:00 -
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Lost Apollo wrote:Now, that being said, where are the CPM? Talking to CCP, more than likely. The information flows like this: players -> CPM <-> CCP
And not like this: players <-> CPM <-> CCP
If we want information we need to be harassing CCP. CPM is bound by NDA and can't really share anything of value with us.
Become the phoenix, rise again
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
1
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:25:00 -
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I think the CPM are actually part of the dev team... or... dev consultants or some ****, I dunno.
You know, the saying - calm before a storm - "1.3 will **** a lot of people off" - seems to fit perfectly.
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May God have mercy for my enemies because I won't. - George S. Patton Jr.
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:26:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Lost Apollo wrote:Now, that being said, where are the CPM? Talking to CCP, more than likely. The information flows like this: players -> CPM <-> CCP And not like this: players <-> CPM <-> CCP If we want information we need to be harassing CCP.
Or be PART of them and leaking info through a secret account on one of the social networks.  
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May God have mercy for my enemies because I won't. - George S. Patton Jr.
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Lost Apollo
Moose Knuckle Pros
Devil's Descendants
263
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:26:00 -
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Ok, but can they not just pop up and say it's ok? They don't have to give exact details here, that's not what I'm asking for. Just some reassurance.
My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless.
State 'Rasetsu' Assault
Born - April 1, 2013
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
13
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:28:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Or be PART of them and leaking info I can safely say none of them have the constitution to be that bold.
Become the phoenix, rise again
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Lost Apollo
Moose Knuckle Pros
Devil's Descendants
263
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:39:00 -
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I don't have a lot of SP or WP for a beta vet. I don't know specifics about a lot of things. However, I have a heart. I care for this game, probably not healthy. How does one become a CPM? I want to help!
My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless.
State 'Rasetsu' Assault
Born - April 1, 2013
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Nothing Certain
Pervy Sages
1
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:43:00 -
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They don't say anything because they have nothing to say. The idea that 1.3 is so huge and controversial that a Dev doesn't have the time for a single post in two months is just delusional. Time to face facts and accept that the end is nigh.
Because, that's why.
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Lost Apollo
Moose Knuckle Pros
Devil's Descendants
264
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:49:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:They don't say anything because they have nothing to say. The idea that 1.3 is so huge and controversial that a Dev doesn't have the time for a single post in two months is just delusional. Time to face facts and accept that the end is nigh.
Call it denial, stupidity, or whatever else but I refuse to give up hope. This community has to many damn negative people and I won't add to it.
My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless.
State 'Rasetsu' Assault
Born - April 1, 2013
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:56:00 -
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Lost Apollo wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:They don't say anything because they have nothing to say. The idea that 1.3 is so huge and controversial that a Dev doesn't have the time for a single post in two months is just delusional. Time to face facts and accept that the end is nigh. Call it denial, stupidity, or whatever else but I refuse to give up hope. This community has to many damn negative people and I won't add to it.
I mean we haven't even received an actual meaty update in well over a year, there's just no room for it in the project. Nevermind the fact that Hilmar moved most of the devs and funds to other projects, but there simply isn't enough memory on the PS3 to actually put in anything new.
At best there will be some balance changes, maybe a new menu and a couple maps. Perhaps some stabilty fixes if the Gods are kind.
Unless 1.3 is a port, there isn't much left to be hopeful for that isn't already in game. |
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
13
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:58:00 -
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Lost Apollo wrote:Call it denial, stupidity, or whatever else but I refuse to give up hope. This community has to many damn negative people and I won't add to it. The Dust 514 concurrent login average for this week is 1,520. Compare that to mid-December: 1,766. Just for comparison sake, the Planetside 2 concurrent logins on PC are 2,198.
When PS2 is dunking on you, your game is in trouble.
It's been over 6 months since we have had a real update.
CCP Rattati doesn't talk to us anymore and he was one of the few people at CCP we trusted.
At this point we aren't being negative, OP... we're just looking at the numbers.
Become the phoenix, rise again
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Zaria Min Deir
CASSETTE 514
1
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:59:00 -
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Lost Apollo wrote:Ok, but can they not just pop up and say it's ok? They don't have to give exact details here, that's not what I'm asking for. Just some reassurance.
I don't make it a habit to lie, so there is very little I can say. This is why I have not participated in many Dust related conversations recently, there is only so many times you can say "I can't comment" before you start to feel like an idiot.
Like pointed out, we are bound by NDA, and all we can do (and have done, trust me) is to advice CCP to be more open with the community. They have their reasons to remain silent, and agree with them or not, that's how it is. They will talk when they are ready. So, no, I can't just pop in and say "it's ok", when a) I can't reveal anything I know and b) what I do know is subject to change anyway. That is my personal view on the matter though, I am not speaking on behalf of the rest of the CPM.
Quote:I think the CPM are actually part of the dev team... or... dev consultants or some ****, I dunno.
The CPM is not part of the decision making process, in either development or communication. Generally speaking, we tend to have a chance to offer feedback and suggestions, though on some topics we are merely informed of what is happening before the community as a whole. So, no, CPM are not part of the dev team.
Ripley Riley wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:
Or be PART of them and leaking info
I can safely say none of them have the constitution to be that bold.
I personally wouldn't have signed a legal contract without intending to honour it.
zariamindeir on Twitter&Gmail
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2016.01.26 22:11:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote: So, no, I can't just pop in and say "it's ok", when a) I can't reveal anything I know and b) what I do know is subject to change anyway. That is my personal view on the matter though, I am not speaking on behalf of the rest of the CPM.
What? "It's ok" just means that development hasn't halted permanently. That discussions between the CPM and CCP is still at least occasionally happening. Nobody gives a Rattati's ass what you know and nobody is expecting you to reveal it. Our expectations are incredibly low, we just want to be reminded every now and then that people still care. No one is going to think you're an idiot if you just one every week or so say "It's ok."
I'm honestly surprised no one from the CPM has taken such an initiative, it's like no one remembers what it's like to be a regular fan in so much silence. You could create a "Zaria's Weekly It's OK Thread" where you just stop by once every week and say nothing more than "It's still ok" and you'd be the most popular CPM candidate ever. Unless things aren't ok, in which you just say nothing and you're not breaking any NDA.
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2016.01.26 22:27:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I'm honestly surprised no one from the CPM has taken such an initiative
I'm not.
It's a thankless job that yields virtually no tangible results and is primarily a PR position to help foster the illusion that our feedback is being taken seriously. |
Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2016.01.26 22:44:00 -
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Murder Medic wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:I'm honestly surprised no one from the CPM has taken such an initiative I'm not. It's a thankless job that yields virtually no tangible results and is primarily a PR position to help foster the illusion that our feedback is being taken seriously.
Or just a signal that it's not entirely pointless for us to still care about this game.
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
313
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:01:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Murder Medic wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:I'm honestly surprised no one from the CPM has taken such an initiative I'm not. It's a thankless job that yields virtually no tangible results and is primarily a PR position to help foster the illusion that our feedback is being taken seriously. Or just a signal that it's not entirely pointless for us to still care about this game.
It's pretty obvious CCP isn't budging on the silence thing. Years of horrific PR have basically beat that into them by now.
Just play other games and keep the forums open in a separate tab, or if you enjoy the game as is, keep on playing.
Keep your expectations as low as they can go and who knows, maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised. Worst case, you'll be right. |
Darth-Carbonite GIO
Random Gunz
The-Office
3
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:26:00 -
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At this point we sound like a broken record. We have reassured you that CCP is still alive and working, and that they listen to the community.
If you wonder where the CPM are, don't. We are doing the job you elected us to do, and we relay your concerns to CCP every day.
If you want to know why we haven't addressed the drought of information, click the dev posts tab, and click CPM. We have addressed it. Ad nauseam. We hate this situation, and we hate that we can't just tell you everything, but that's how it is right now.
CPM2: We didn't start this fire
Why does everyone fellatiate darth?! -Aeon Amadi
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Random Gunz
The-Office
3
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:29:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I'm honestly surprised no one from the CPM has taken such an initiative, it's like no one remembers what it's like to be a regular fan in so much silence. You could create a "Zaria's Weekly It's OK Thread" where you just stop by once every week and say nothing more than "It's still ok" and you'd be the most popular CPM candidate ever. Unless things aren't ok, in which you just say nothing and you're not breaking any NDA.
Personally, making a thread like that would feel like a failure to deliver actual reassuring words, of substance and fact.
I can't speak for my fellow council members, but I haven't given up on that. If the community wants it, we'll give it to them, I simply think we can and will do better.
CPM2: We didn't start this fire
Why does everyone fellatiate darth?! -Aeon Amadi
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Lost Apollo
Moose Knuckle Pros
Devil's Descendants
267
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:25:00 -
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The fact that CPM have spoken is enough for me. Dust isn't dead yet!
My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless.
State 'Rasetsu' Assault
Born - April 1, 2013
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GeorgeN76
Eden Claims Corp
2
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Posted - 2016.01.27 04:22:00 -
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Rattati has always been good to us
He will have an explanation when he can give it
Hopefully that is soon
Scouts and Swarms
New Edens Pawn Shop
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
7
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Posted - 2016.01.27 04:47:00 -
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Lost Apollo wrote:The fact that CPM have spoken is enough for me. Dust isn't dead yet!
CPM speak quite often, its just not always on the forums
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Richard Gamerich-R
Prima Gallicus
318
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Posted - 2016.01.27 06:09:00 -
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When Cazaderon was CPM in 2013 (ex-CEO of What The French), he said exactly the same thing for DUST development (yeah, and that was the silence too...).
The reason? Because for the FanFest, CCP said that Legion will be port on PC, and not for the ps4. 5 months before, he stopped completely the game because he was disgusted about that when he learnt it, but of course he said nothing because he was also under the NDA.
What I see today? Exactly the same history, and now I'm pretty sure it's for the same reason. Dust is still in development of course, but the next update will be controversial apparently.
With the new servers who are coming (they are too powerful for the currently EvE/DUST players), the excess of power is for sure for a big project... and the best platform for CCP is the PC because it's a powerful architecture, and above all, they are more famous there than in console.
(and for investors, the $$$ gain is the more important, and I'm sure they think the PC will be more rentable, and they have maybe right, because I have some Eve players in my corp, and all of them said to me they will use their money if DUST will be on PC, so I can't imagine how it's in the CCP mind if there is 30 000 or 40 000 players who think like that)
In short, just say that DUST will be port on PC, and we will be fixed. And if I'm wrong, fine, but well, I'm not really naive haha. ;)
So I have a question, do I have to build a PC gamer for this year, or not? Thanks lol
#portdust514
Good bye DUST 514, officially retired
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2016.01.27 09:17:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Lost Apollo wrote:Now, that being said, where are the CPM? Talking to CCP, more than likely. The information flows like this: players -> CPM <-> CCP And not like this: players <-> CPM <-> CCP If we want information we need to be harassing CCP. CPM is bound by NDA and can't really share anything of value with us.
Pretty much this.
As for myself I decided to take a little break from the game over Christmas and New Year (still been reading the forums and talking to CCP virtually everyday). Been playing Fallout 4 a fair bit and streaming the Eve: Valkyrie alpha which I'm in.
As Zaria and Darth have already said, there's only so many times you can say 'CCP are busy and taking in feedback from the community and the CPM on a daily basis', without sounding like a broken record.
We share your concerns about the silence and have expressed this multiple times to the team. Some of the reasons are valid in my opinion, some are not. But the one thing aren't here to do is tell you what CCP are doing. It's not in our remit and it's certainly not our job. That is the job of CCP and when they feel able, they'll talk.
But as Zaria, Darth and myself have already said, the CPM speak to CCP all the time and it's not just posting pics of kittens playing with string.... well not all of it. So CCP are busy but it's up to them when they talk about it.
CPM 1&2 Member
CEO of DUST University
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2016.01.27 09:25:00 -
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Just weather the storm boy's. Those that still play atleast.
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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Abraxis Mangelor
Breach Team
97
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Posted - 2016.01.27 09:47:00 -
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We could use a very simple, clean and powerfully reassuring statement like:
"We can confirm that we are currently working on it."
That's all I need to hear. |
KGB Sleep
1
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Posted - 2016.01.27 10:13:00 -
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Abraxis Mangelor wrote:We could use a very simple, clean and powerfully reassuring statement like:
"We can confirm that we are currently working on it."
That's all I need to hear.
**** that.
90 days with no comment deserves more than "We're working on it."
Because beer, that's why.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
7
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Posted - 2016.01.27 15:33:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Abraxis Mangelor wrote:We could use a very simple, clean and powerfully reassuring statement like:
"We can confirm that we are currently working on it."
That's all I need to hear. **** that. 90 days with no comment deserves more than "We're working on it."
Unfortunately CCP sees such silence as an acceptable business practice. My respect for them drops a little every day because of it.
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Kierkegaard Soren
Eridani Light Horse Battalion
1
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Posted - 2016.01.27 16:01:00 -
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I will say this:
It is downright *odd* that we haven't seen a 1.3 proposal and feedback thread this far into the latest development cycle, to the point where I can only assume that we won't be having one at all, and the next major communication from CCP will be an announcement of the 1.3's features, ie it will be content-locked after the fact. Which in of itself is not an issue, but it's not what we're used to from Rattati's CCP; he made a point of open and honest dialogue between his team and our community, and whilst we are sometimes not deserving of such generosity, it does make me wonder if 1.3's content is *so* radical that there is a real fear from the CCP-end of a Rouge-Wedding style response from us mercs.
To which all I can say is; trust us. Or at least, some of us. If it looks bad but you think it needs to be done, convince us before you drop it.
Ah, who am I kidding, I just want to know all about the Shiny ;)
Dedicated Commando.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
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Heimdallr69
Second-Nature
6
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Posted - 2016.01.27 16:19:00 -
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So if it ports to PC I wonder how decent the controller support will be since I'm not really a fan of kb/m
Oh well, I'd rather use kbm than be stuck on ps3 |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
7
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Posted - 2016.01.27 16:35:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:So if it ports to PC I wonder how decent the controller support will be since I'm not really a fan of kb/m
Oh well, I'd rather use kbm than be stuck on ps3
There are actually some solid programs out there for using PS4 controllers on PC. And if Xbox is your thing, windows natively supports those controllers.
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