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Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 114	Posted - 2015.12.24 16:23:00 - [1] - Quote So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of thing to happen! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Daemonn Adima Eternal Beings 721	Posted - 2015.12.24 17:14:00 - [2] - Quote Because bitter vets can scream as loud as wailing babies.
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2015.12.24 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! "No proto/officer in pubs"... Okay... so metalock... let's say a metalock of idk 35... I can still use an officer suit or a proto suit along with an officer/proto weapon... along with a few mods just for extra tank... Now let's say a meta lock of 10... I can still use an assault mk.0... Along with a basic weapon... This could work... Or I can just use a basic suit with a proto/officer weapon... Teir lock would be more fitting... Kaltos Darksbane's Bae.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy RUST415 639	Posted - 2015.12.24 17:33:00 - [4] - Quote I'm completely fine with no officer in pubs, but the no proto rule will hopefully have some exceptions. Namely, equipment. Gear isn't equal on the same tier. Can you imagine how low rep tool use would be if you couldn't use the proto variant in pubs? The only time you'd ever use non-proto rep tools is if you're trying to skill up to proto. It's hard enough to get a revive at any point in time, but can you imagine how many people would just say '** it, respawning' because they know there is no chance for them to get the only good revives? Proto and LP variant? Uplinks wouldn't be bothered as much, though, and lol nanohives. Although people would probably be relieved for the lack of proto scanners, and barely anyone bothers with REs higher than standard unless they just really, really, really want you dead. I guess the only real problems would come up for the 'people trying to keep you alive' party, because the 'people that want you dead' party don't really take too much of a hit, and in fact get quite the bonus. But if you've ever played an MMO, you know no one cares about the healer's opinion. What's that? We're being swarmed and we need to focus and be tactical about our maneuvers or we're all going to die? Eh, I'll just run in guns blazing and activate all my abilities at once, the healer's got it. And if I die, he'll deserve the aggro he immediately receives because obviously he sucks. Why the ** didn't you revive me? I'm the tank! I'm the only important member of the team! Blah, blah, blah. The thought that Dust 514 may one day be the game we dreamed it to be. It fills you with Determination!
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2015.12.24 17:36:00 - [5] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I'm completely fine with no officer in pubs, but the no proto rule will hopefully have some exceptions. Namely, equipment. Gear isn't equal on the same tier. Can you imagine how low rep tool use would be if you couldn't use the proto variant in pubs? The only time you'd ever use non-proto rep tools is if you're trying to skill up to proto. It's hard enough to get a revive at any point in time, but can you imagine how many people would just say '** it, respawning' because they know there is no chance for them to get the only good revives? Proto and LP variant? Uplinks wouldn't be bothered as much, though, and lol nanohives. Although people would probably be relieved for the lack of proto scanners, and barely anyone bothers with REs higher than standard unless they just really, really, really want you dead. I guess the only real problems would come up for the 'people trying to keep you alive' party, because the 'people that want you dead' party don't really take too much of a hit, and in fact get quite the bonus. But if you've ever played an MMO, you know no one cares about the healer's opinion. What's that? We're being swarmed and we need to focus and be tactical about our maneuvers or we're all going to die? Eh, I'll just run in guns blazing and activate all my abilities at once, the healer's got it. And if I die, he'll deserve the aggro he immediately receives because obviously he sucks. Why the ** didn't you revive me? I'm the tank! I'm the only important member of the team! Blah, blah, blah. Hence, why I said tier lock would be more fitting... Kaltos Darksbane's Bae.
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 114	Posted - 2015.12.24 17:36:00 - [6] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! "No proto/officer in pubs"... Okay... so metalock... let's say a metalock of idk 35... I can still use an officer suit or a proto suit along with an officer/proto weapon... along with a few mods just for extra tank... Now let's say a meta lock of 10... I can still use an assault mk.0... Along with a basic weapon... This could work... Or I can just use a basic suit with a proto/officer weapon... Teir lock would be more fitting... why do you think it has to be limited to over all suit meta number, pubs every suit/gun/equipment over XX no go. so you can have meta 35 but the gun that has over meta XX isnt going to fly, so deal! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.24 18:01:00 - [7] - Quote Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the **** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 114	Posted - 2015.12.24 19:14:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the **** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. Most of them peps I drop with apex, in their proto/officer setup, and locking down the equipment an gear in pubs, is a start! That is the point I'm making! If it don't matter about the metalock out, and support for the new guys, then why do these numbers call you a lair! To those that don't want Metalocks for the new peps! Without something for nobbs, this game will die faster then it already is, or that's maybe why they haven't put something in! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2015.12.24 19:18:00 - [9] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the ** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. Most of them peps I drop with apex, in their proto/officer setup, and locking down the equipment an gear in pubs, is a start!** That is the point I'm making! If it don't matter about the metalock out, and support for the new guys, then why do these numbers call you a lair! To those that don't want Metalocks for the new peps! Without something for nobbs, this game will die faster then it already is, or that's maybe why they haven't put something in! Lol... 15 second uplinks for days... Kaltos Darksbane's Bae.
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 114	Posted - 2015.12.24 19:24:00 - [10] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the ** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. Most of them peps I drop with apex, in their proto/officer setup, and locking down the equipment an gear in pubs, is a start!** That is the point I'm making! If it don't matter about the metalock out, and support for the new guys, then why do these numbers call you a lair! To those that don't want Metalocks for the new peps! Without something for nobbs, this game will die faster then it already is, or that's maybe why they haven't put something in! Lol... 15 second uplinks for days... Its like that now, alot! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!

sizwe sizzle Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 47	Posted - 2015.12.24 19:34:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the **** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. Yep Recently reached 100mill skill points divided by 2
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.24 21:15:00 - [12] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the **** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. Then why not just use the meta lock and be done with it. One less thing to worry about. I think that skill is a large factor, but the compounding advantages increased fitting capacity gives with regards to HP, DPS, EWAR, Speed, BW etc results in an overly large hurdle. If people can be that good in small squads with lower tier gear, then they should be willing to have meta locks and prove it. If no differences are seen, they can remove meta locks with confidence. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.12.24 21:59:00 - [13] - Quote All this talk of Meta locks versus Tier locks, and I'm over here thinking none of that would even be on the table if CCP bothered to go the tiericide route.... So my question, as rhetorical as it may be, is: why does crap gear even exist in the first place? Meta lock or tier lock, you still have players stuck in crap gear with certain FUN fits almost completely off limits. You cut up the playerbase even further, possibly making matchmaking even worse (How's that possible?!)... Minotaur Master Race Violently penetrating you since ca 84 BCE. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.12.24 22:27:00 - [14] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I'm completely fine with no officer in pubs, but the no proto rule will hopefully have some exceptions. Namely, equipment. Gear isn't equal on the same tier. Can you imagine how low rep tool use would be if you couldn't use the proto variant in pubs? The only time you'd ever use non-proto rep tools is if you're trying to skill up to proto. It's hard enough to get a revive at any point in time, but can you imagine how many people would just say '** it, respawning' because they know there is no chance for them to get the only good revives? Proto and LP variant? Uplinks wouldn't be bothered as much, though, and lol nanohives. Although people would probably be relieved for the lack of proto scanners, and barely anyone bothers with REs higher than standard unless they just really, really, really want you dead. I guess the only real problems would come up for the 'people trying to keep you alive' party, because the 'people that want you dead' party don't really take too much of a hit, and in fact get quite the bonus. But if you've ever played an MMO, you know no one cares about the healer's opinion. What's that? We're being swarmed and we need to focus and be tactical about our maneuvers or we're all going to die? Eh, I'll just run in guns blazing and activate all my abilities at once, the healer's got it. And if I die, he'll deserve the aggro he immediately receives because obviously he sucks. Why the didn't you revive me? I'm the tank! I'm the only important member of the team! Blah, blah, blah. CCP has very much ignored my protests about carrying more hives to be logistics exclusive,so i can verify this. CCP listens to anyone claiming to be assault to the point of brain damage. Which is really sad when Dust can be so much more. Meta locks and** teir locks were initially thought up by assaults,seeing as damage between teirs of weapons and survival of suits changes minimally. Every other class however would be kicked in the teeth,especially logistics. Going from 1 beam to 2 is an astounding improvement (ADV to PRO repair tools). Being forced to use the 1 beam version wouldn't just hamper supporting ability dramatically,it would cripple earnings too,and for one of the most expensive classes to run (logistics) that's a bad thing. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 681	Posted - 2015.12.25 00:29:00 - [15] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 227	Posted - 2015.12.25 00:42:00 - [16] - Quote Honestly, I mostly just run apex, but if you lockout by meta level in pubs, then what would I do with all of my money. I have little reason for fw, and have no interest in PC. My experimental factory would be pointless, and occasional officer drops and strongbox rewards would be worthless (selling things for money when I have more money than I can spend would be a waste). Proto is not the problem, it's the fact that there is much balancing work to be done, and that you can't matchmake for teamwork that make it difficult for newer players. And small player base, and onoy 2 matchmaking pools. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.12.25 01:26:00 - [17] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü >force militia >no ISK flowing into the market (when it's brought in) >no reason to play long-term because you can't use what you've earned >game dies due to lack of interest Seriously guys,these "do it for the children" suggestions need to stop. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 115	Posted - 2015.12.26 22:33:00 - [18] - Quote Meee One wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü >force militia >no ISK flowing into the market (when it's brought in) >no reason to play long-term because you can't use what you've earned >game dies due to lack of interest Seriously guys,these "do it for the children" suggestions need to stop. Forced PC fights if you want to us office/proto I know its so hard to deal with them new players and all with out proto or office cuss you suck so bad with out it, but I mean really, really! Point is game is at that point now due to office stompers and proto stompers in pubs, there needs to be a line your not able to cross, I get you cant stay in the training area all the time but, why make new peps go from easy and fun to crap and no fun for them! If you have the skills to us officer and proto go do factional and keep out of the pubs or not us it, I know its not going to happen so forcing ones hand is needed, to up the over all numbers if we don't it will just be us die hard's left to do a circle jerk by our self's! >no limits = poor turn outs or peps just dropping out of match cuss they know your names! >market for dust as its filled by NPC don't matter! >long-term effect of no limits in pubs = circle jerk of die hard's = death of game >game dies any ways even though die hard's don't want it to counter all you want its needed, and it was needed from day one of release, as the testers know what to train and what was what or at less i did speaking as a closed test, sorry for the circle bit but it was funny It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2	Posted - 2015.12.26 23:50:00 - [19] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! "No proto/officer in pubs"... Okay... so metalock... let's say a metalock of idk 35... I can still use an officer suit or a proto suit along with an officer/proto weapon... along with a few mods just for extra tank... Now let's say a meta lock of 10... I can still use an assault mk.0... Along with a basic weapon... This could work... Or I can just use a basic suit with a proto/officer weapon... Teir lock would be more fitting... This is flawed logic.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.27 00:07:00 - [20] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the ** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. Most of them peps I drop with apex, in their proto/officer setup, and locking down the equipment an gear in pubs, is a start!** That is the point I'm making! If it don't matter about the metalock out, and support for the new guys, then why do these numbers call you a lair! To those that don't want Metalocks for the new peps! Without something for nobbs, this game will die faster then it already is, or that's maybe why they haven't put something in! Lol... 15 second uplinks for days... Wouldn't be much of change from how it is now.

Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.12.27 00:08:00 - [21] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Meee One wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü >force militia >no ISK flowing into the market (when it's brought in) >no reason to play long-term because you can't use what you've earned >game dies due to lack of interest Seriously guys,these "do it for the children" suggestions need to stop. Forced PC fights if you want to us office/proto I know its so hard to deal with them new players and all with out proto or office cuss you suck so bad with out it, but I mean really, really! Point is game is at that point now due to office stompers and proto stompers in pubs, there needs to be a line your not able to cross, I get you cant stay in the training area all the time but, why make new peps go from easy and fun to crap and no fun for them! If you have the skills to us officer and proto go do factional and keep out of the pubs or not us it, I know its not going to happen so forcing ones hand is needed, to up the over all numbers if we don't it will just be us die hard's left to do a circle jerk by our self's! >no limits = poor turn outs or peps just dropping out of match cuss they know your names! >market for dust as its filled by NPC don't matter! >long-term effect of no limits in pubs = circle jerk of die hard's = death of game >game dies any ways even though die hard's don't want it to counter all you want limits are needed, and it was needed from day one of release, as the testers know what to train and what was what or at less i did speaking as a closed test, sorry for the circle bit but it was funny >no limits = freedom (simple solution? Remove leader boards,stop being so tryhard no one wants to fight you.) >on ps3 >isk circulation >game dies due to seeming lack of interest from CCP to prolong it,thus long term interest teeters off Listen bro,don't get mad you don't have PRO. And stop trying to punish vets who've earned their gear. This "do it for the children" solution is and always will be stupid. Noobs should be restricted from fighting vets,not the other way around. (Hence PC) I don't care what nonsensical logic you use. And you seemed to have tried to dodge my point about equipment.(And failed.) Let me explain to you what you're actually saying. You:"You saved up to earn that ferrari?" Meee:"Yeah,cool huh." You:"We're going to need to take three of your wheels because those driving stationwagons can't go that fast." Meee:"But then the others will be able to out pace me." (Regarding equipment.) You:"Do it for the children!! I-i mean noobs. Yeah the noobs." Meee:"So,you're saying i can't use what i've earned?" You:"Exactly!" Meee:"Then why should i keep earning if i can't use it?" You:"Uhhh,you suck! For the children!" Meee sighs Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.27 00:10:00 - [22] - Quote Meee One wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü >force militia >no ISK flowing into the market (when it's brought in) >no reason to play long-term because you can't use what you've earned >game dies due to lack of interest Seriously guys,these "do it for the children" suggestions need to stop. I support removing Proto/Officer Gear from Pubs but I am all for having it used in FW. FW and PC is where people can use Proto/Officer Gear.
Happy Violentime 1	Posted - 2015.12.27 00:11:00 - [23] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: Meee One wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü >force militia >no ISK flowing into the market (when it's brought in) >no reason to play long-term because you can't use what you've earned >game dies due to lack of interest Seriously guys,these "do it for the children" suggestions need to stop. Forced PC fights if you want to us office/proto I know its so hard to deal with them new players and all with out proto or office cuss you suck so bad with out it, but I mean really, really! Point is game is at that point now due to office stompers and proto stompers in pubs, there needs to be a line your not able to cross, I get you cant stay in the training area all the time but, why make new peps go from easy and fun to crap and no fun for them! If you have the skills to us officer and proto go do factional and keep out of the pubs or not us it, I know its not going to happen so forcing ones hand is needed, to up the over all numbers if we don't it will just be us die hard's left to do a circle jerk by our self's! >no limits = poor turn outs or peps just dropping out of match cuss they know your names! >market for dust as its filled by NPC don't matter! >long-term effect of no limits in pubs = circle jerk of die hard's = death of game >game dies any ways even though die hard's don't want it to counter all you want limits are needed, and it was needed from day one of release, as the testers know what to train and what was what or at less i did speaking as a closed test, sorry for the circle bit but it was funny It has limits, you can't use anything higher than officer equipment.. No other limits are needed. Just checked your stats, 19k kills??? You don't even play the game so go away with your worthless opinions.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.27 00:22:00 - [24] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the **** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. This is not entirely true.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.12.27 00:31:00 - [25] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Meee One wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü >force militia >no ISK flowing into the market (when it's brought in) >no reason to play long-term because you can't use what you've earned >game dies due to lack of interest Seriously guys,these "do it for the children" suggestions need to stop. I support removing Proto/Officer Gear from Pubs but I am all for having it used in FW. FW and PC is where people can use Proto/Officer Gear. I support porting Dust to PS4 so we can get an influx of newer players. That would actually solve the problem. Your suggestion however is just another arbitrary limitation that actually ignores any long-term ramifications because you're so focused on the now of what Dust is as opposed to what it aspires to be. That and no one answers my question about equipment. What about equipment? ADV repair tools are less than 1/2 the efficiency of its Pro variation. For weapons it's 1 or 2 points,for repair tools it's (75+13)=88x2=176 -or- a loss of 101 reps per second.(Triage version.) How can you justify a loss of 101 reps per second? You can't. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 118	Posted - 2015.12.27 01:00:00 - [26] - Quote Meee One wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Meee One wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü >force militia >no ISK flowing into the market (when it's brought in) >no reason to play long-term because you can't use what you've earned >game dies due to lack of interest Seriously guys,these "do it for the children" suggestions need to stop. I support removing Proto/Officer Gear from Pubs but I am all for having it used in FW. FW and PC is where people can use Proto/Officer Gear. I support porting Dust to PS4 so we can get an influx of newer players. That would actually solve the problem. Your suggestion however is just another arbitrary limitation that actually ignores any long-term ramifications because you're so focused on the now of what Dust is as opposed to what it aspires to be. That and no one answers my question about equipment. What about equipment? ADV repair tools are less than 1/2 the efficiency of its Pro variation. For weapons it's 1 or 2 points,for repair tools it's (75+13)=88x2=176 -or- a loss of 101 reps per second.(Triage version.) How can you justify a loss of 101 reps per second? You can't. Was the part of no proto lost on you cuss last i looked your question was answered! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.28 09:38:00 - [27] - Quote Meta level lockouts are just plain dumb. My militia beats that newbies militia because my core skills and weapon skills are all maxed out. New players still get stomped. The player base very very RARELY gets over 3000 people online at one time. That's not a lot to divide from and search times already blow. Tanks would be epic over powered with a proper fit in a meta locked match. There are currently some tank fits that require 4 - 5 full proto A/V players to take them down. What happens when not even those people can go proto? I will give you a hint TANKS WIN. Finally, the most damning point, payouts are based on ISK lost. If you remove all high level gear from matches payouts go from seriously bad to incredibly worse. Basically the idea of meta lockouts was a purely knee jerk reaction which did not hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny. There is not one single good aspect that comes from it. Merry Christmas. Happy any holiday you celebrate. Lets all enjoy a New Year that is literally just around the corner.
Jack the Rlpper TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 304	Posted - 2015.12.28 11:05:00 - [28] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: Honestly, I mostly just run apex, but if you lockout by meta level in pubs, then what would I do with all of my money. I have little reason for fw, and have no interest in PC. My experimental factory would be pointless, and occasional officer drops and strongbox rewards would be worthless (selling things for money when I have more money than I can spend would be a waste). Proto is not the problem, it's the fact that there is much balancing work to be done, and that you can't matchmake for teamwork that make it difficult for newer players. And small player base, and onoy 2 matchmaking pools. If you have a lot of extra money I'll gladly take some off your hands as I do alot of fw and some pc. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +50 n++pâçGòÉS+Ç +60
five times Liverpool F.C. 259	Posted - 2015.12.28 11:35:00 - [29] - Quote Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! you will also need to split the playerbase. below 15m SP in one pool, and above 15m in another. I use standard gear in pubs and can get 15 to 30 kills regularly, Passive skills and game/map knowledge is OP. I still believe that non sharing of active and passive scans would improve gameplay. If you want info from your scanlogi mic up. We always hear that "its a team game". so why the laziness of shared scans? use your mic & voice enemy positions to your squad/team.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.28 11:55:00 - [30] - Quote five times wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! you will also need to split the playerbase. below 15m SP in one pool, and above 15m in another. I use standard gear in pubs and can get 15 to 30 kills regularly, Passive skills and game/map knowledge is OP. I still believe that non sharing of active and passive scans would improve gameplay. If you want info from your scanlogi mic up. We always hear that "its a team game". so why the laziness of shared scans? use your mic & voice enemy positions to your squad/team. 30 minute search times for newbies. No matches found 75% of the day for vets. SOUNDS SWEET BRO LETS DO IT. We do not even have the population of some back woods little towns online at the highest point in the days. What exactly makes anyone think dividing this up into the smallest possible groups will help anyone? http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Give incentive to win so players actually play to their ability and their gear. THEN fix matchmaking. This is not freaking rocket science people, at the very best it is 6th grade logic. Merry Christmas. Happy any holiday you celebrate. Lets all enjoy a New Year that is literally just around the corner.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.28 12:56:00 - [31] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Because bitter vets can scream as loud as wailing babies. I'm slowly coming around to the idea. Still bitter though. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Amuf Oratok Libera nos a malo 104	Posted - 2015.12.28 13:24:00 - [32] - Quote Meta lock is plain stupid because meta level is unreliable. Tier lock would be good ONLY IF Ccp developed a true tiercide, with a subsequent making of new items (e.g. "you want a standard double-beam repair tool? Sure!"). You know, the horizontal character development thing. Merry Xmas!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2015.12.28 13:38:00 - [33] - Quote Same reason that 13 out of 20 PRO Modules are twice as strong (or better) as STD. Because Vet Perks are very popular among Vets. Poor NPE? Declining Headcounts? Newbro Retention? Long wait times? All important stuff, but not as important as protecting those Vet Perks! PS: Very much in favor of improving NPE. Even if it means giving up some of my vet perks. Dropsuit Usage Rates
Thor Odinson42 Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2015.12.28 15:48:00 - [34] - Quote The best thing they could do is just remove all of the lower tiers and reimburse all losses at the end of matches. At this stage of the game, it just doesn't make sense to have the fear of asset loss removing any level of fun that could be had.
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 119	Posted - 2015.12.28 16:34:00 - [35] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The best thing they could do is just remove all of the lower tiers and reimburse all losses at the end of matches. At this stage of the game, it just doesn't make sense to have the fear of asset loss removing any level of fun that could be had. How is it any less fun to us advanced? vs officer/proto in pubs? If anything it would test your metal, really when you think about it, as you cant buy officer gear off the market, it would make more sense to only allow you to loss it where you don't make isk! Most of the best match's I've played and really had fun in is where there are no proto/officers or a really limited number of them, getting full teams of proto is overwhelming and only fun for one side, that kind of play tens to turn peps off on this game, not make them want more! Is there a large number of masochist playing this game that I'm not aware of? It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 698	Posted - 2015.12.28 16:53:00 - [36] - Quote Meee One wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Justice Darling wrote: So i was looking at the road map and I'm seeing No proto/officer in pubs if we want to build our player base why wasn't this first on the list? Of things to happen! Trust me....Tier lock. Meta lock isn't as clear cut. Think all Advanced suits or all Militia fittings. =ƒÿü >force militia >no ISK flowing into the market (when it's brought in) >no reason to play long-term because you can't use what you've earned >game dies due to lack of interest Seriously guys,these "do it for the children" suggestions need to stop. I'm actually quite content running Loyalty suiuts or Basic 80% of the time. Then again that's just me.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 909	Posted - 2015.12.28 17:15:00 - [37] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Because it won't do anything. Most of the people using that stuff are more than good enough to beat the **** out of you without it. It's not as much of a crutch as people seem to think. I've used plenty of Darth's scrambler rifles and I never wreck people because I'm not that good at shooters. You have to have the guns AND be good with them. Locking out the guns themselves won't do anything. Then why not try it if they will be fine? It'll level out the battlefield for the new players (if they're good). Just a Caldari living the clean life. ( -í° -£-û -í°) No.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.28 17:31:00 - [38] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Then why not try it if they will be fine? It'll level out the battlefield for the new players (if they're good). . . . . deezy dabest wrote: My militia beats that newbies militia because my core skills and weapon skills are all maxed out. New players still get stomped. The player base very very RARELY gets over 3000 people online at one time. That's not a lot to divide from and search times already blow. Tanks would be epic over powered with a proper fit in a meta locked match. There are currently some tank fits that require 4 - 5 full proto A/V players to take them down. What happens when not even those people can go proto? I will give you a hint TANKS WIN. Finally, the most damning point, payouts are based on ISK lost. If you remove all high level gear from matches payouts go from seriously bad to incredibly worse. Basically the idea of meta lockouts was a purely knee jerk reaction which did not hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny. There is not one single good aspect that comes from it. o7 All #514InTheWind
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.28 17:42:00 - [39] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Then why not try it if they will be fine? It'll level out the battlefield for the new players (if they're good). . . . . deezy dabest wrote: My militia beats that newbies militia because my core skills and weapon skills are all maxed out. New players still get stomped. The player base very very RARELY gets over 3000 people online at one time. That's not a lot to divide from and search times already blow. Tanks would be epic over powered with a proper fit in a meta locked match. There are currently some tank fits that require 4 - 5 full proto A/V players to take them down. What happens when not even those people can go proto? I will give you a hint TANKS WIN. Finally, the most damning point, payouts are based on ISK lost. If you remove all high level gear from matches payouts go from seriously bad to incredibly worse. Basically the idea of meta lockouts was a purely knee jerk reaction which did not hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny. There is not one single good aspect that comes from it. If you have more skills, then why worry about meta locks? If your std/militia can beat theirs, then your pro/officer can REALLY beat theirs, while ensuring you have an even greater advantage and that even the mere possibility some noob could even accidentally kill you despite their lower skill is decreased to near impossibility. Look, we get it from your videos (unless I am confusing you with someone else, then my pardons), you like destroying new players. You get off on it. Good for you. I don't care if you and your like quit if it means new players have a little more of a chance, and retention rates increase. Hell, I bet you would see a lot of people return as a result. And if the data doesn't show any increase? Locks can be removed. We have nothing to lose at this juncture. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.28 17:56:00 - [40] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: If you have more skills, then why worry about meta locks? If your std/militia can beat theirs, then your pro/officer can REALLY beat theirs, while ensuring you have an even greater advantage and that even the mere possibility some noob could even accidentally kill you despite their lower skill is decreased to near impossibility. Look, we get it from your videos (unless I am confusing you with someone else, then my pardons), you like destroying new players. You get off on it. Good for you. I don't care if you and your like quit if it means new players have a little more of a chance, and retention rates increase. Hell, I bet you would see a lot of people return as a result. And if the data doesn't show any increase? Locks can be removed. We have nothing to lose at this juncture. I am not pointing to my skills, I consider myself as having very mediocre gun game at the end of the day. I am simply pointing out the difference in core skills. Yes, you are confusing me with every single other person that has made videos. While every single youtuber runs officer non stop you will find that I run almost completely unmodified APEX fittings unless the other team is attempting to proto stomp. I take a bit of offense at being lumped with the actual proto stompers but I understand why my argument against meta locks would cause that. I'm not sure if you have noticed but CCP is not one for going back on things. That would seriously fuel the argument that we are just beta testers and lead to more talking down about CCP. At the end of the day meta locks are just another classic band aid that will do absolutely nothing but damage to the game. o7 All #514InTheWind

JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 910	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:07:00 - [41] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: deezy dabest wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Then why not try it if they will be fine? It'll level out the battlefield for the new players (if they're good). . . . . deezy dabest wrote: My militia beats that newbies militia because my core skills and weapon skills are all maxed out. New players still get stomped. The player base very very RARELY gets over 3000 people online at one time. That's not a lot to divide from and search times already blow. Tanks would be epic over powered with a proper fit in a meta locked match. There are currently some tank fits that require 4 - 5 full proto A/V players to take them down. What happens when not even those people can go proto? I will give you a hint TANKS WIN. Finally, the most damning point, payouts are based on ISK lost. If you remove all high level gear from matches payouts go from seriously bad to incredibly worse. Basically the idea of meta lockouts was a purely knee jerk reaction which did not hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny. There is not one single good aspect that comes from it. If you have more skills, then why worry about meta locks? If your std/militia can beat theirs, then your pro/officer can REALLY beat theirs, while ensuring you have an even greater advantage and that even the mere possibility some noob could even accidentally kill you despite their lower skill is decreased to near impossibility. I don't care if certain people quit if it means new players have a little more of a chance, and retention rates increase. Hell, I bet you would see a lot of people return as a result. And if the data doesn't show any increase? Locks can be removed. We have nothing to lose at this juncture. I believe that if there are more players trying to join than there are shiting on them. All you need to do is give em a chance. You guys are only top shot because the new players aren't given a chance. Just a Caldari living the clean life. ( -í° -£-û -í°) No.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:22:00 - [42] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I believe that if there are more players trying to join than there are shiting on them. All you need to do is give em a chance. You guys are only top shot because the new players aren't given a chance. What you guys seem to be missing is that nothing in this game supports meta locks. Payouts are generated by ISK destroyed. Tanks have been switched to some sort of hybrid tiericide system that leaves their metas useless. Core skills and the warbarge damage bonus essentially multiply meta. Trust me if I saw one single argument that actually made sense for meta locks I would not be here trying to explain why it will not work. Meta locks are not the band aid to solve the fact that there is no incentive to win and poor is a polite word for matchmaking. o7 All #514InTheWind
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:36:00 - [43] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: I am not pointing to my skills, I consider myself as having very mediocre gun game at the end of the day. I am simply pointing out the difference in core skills. Yes, you are confusing me with every single other person that has made videos. While every single youtuber runs officer non stop you will find that I run almost completely unmodified APEX fittings unless the other team is attempting to proto stomp. I take a bit of offense at being lumped with the actual proto stompers but I understand why my argument against meta locks would cause that. I'm not sure if you have noticed but CCP is not one for going back on things. That would seriously fuel the argument that we are just beta testers and lead to more talking down about CCP. At the end of the day meta locks are just another classic band aid that will do absolutely nothing but damage to the game. I already amended the quote after not finding the evidence and apologize for jumping to conclusions. That said, CCP has backed off things numerous times. Just look at the cloak. It had 25% dampening and twice the duration when it first released. And that doesn't even count the other nerfs like blindness. Then there is backpedaling, which was originally in gamme at 50% of forward movement and was removed. Now it is back at a respectable 80% or so. This is CCPs first FPS, and there was bound to be trial and error. No game is perfect, and all sorts of companies make changes. Even the ones like Bungie and Dice that have made these games for years. I disagree that it will damage the game. And we are already in a state where band aids are fixing old code because there is no other way. They nerfed EWAR because they couldn't remove shared passive scans. They created the skins and half tiercide because of the amount of resources the old code used. They introduced BW because of the resources EQ uses. At this point it is making the best of a bad situation, and helping the game survive long enough to show that porting is viable or that they can financially commit more resources. In order to do that, we need new players, and better retention. Meta locks in pubs are the best solution at this point. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 911	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:55:00 - [44] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: I believe that if there are more players trying to join than there are shiting on them. All you need to do is give em a chance. You guys are only top shot because the new players aren't given a chance. What you guys seem to be missing is that nothing in this game supports meta locks. Payouts are generated by ISK destroyed. Tanks have been switched to some sort of hybrid tiericide system that leaves their metas useless. Core skills and the warbarge damage bonus essentially multiply meta. Trust me if I saw one single argument that actually made sense for meta locks I would not be here trying to explain why it will not work. Meta locks are not the band aid to solve the fact that there is no incentive to win and poor is a polite word for matchmaking. The only one that kind of makes sense is core skills, but even that can be earned. And also please don't bring up incentive to win we have no reason to win besides pooping on dreams. So let them get a chance to win so there reason for winning can be met (isk/sp ) Just a Caldari living the clean life. ( -í° -£-û -í°) No.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.28 20:58:00 - [45] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: deezy dabest wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: I believe that if there are more players trying to join than there are shiting on them. All you need to do is give em a chance. You guys are only top shot because the new players aren't given a chance. What you guys seem to be missing is that nothing in this game supports meta locks. Payouts are generated by ISK destroyed. Tanks have been switched to some sort of hybrid tiericide system that leaves their metas useless. Core skills and the warbarge damage bonus essentially multiply meta. Trust me if I saw one single argument that actually made sense for meta locks I would not be here trying to explain why it will not work. Meta locks are not the band aid to solve the fact that there is no incentive to win and poor is a polite word for matchmaking. The only one that kind of makes sense is core skills, but even that can be earned. And also please don't bring up incentive to win we have no reason to win besides pooping on dreams. So let them get a chance to win so there reason for winning can be met (isk/sp ) In a game that is suppose to be about risk versus reward............ o7 All #514InTheWind
JudgeIsABadPilot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 108	Posted - 2015.12.28 21:20:00 - [46] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Because bitter vets can scream as loud as wailing babies. And they're the only voice that matters. I've been boycotting this game for many months. You're all late to the party.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.28 21:21:00 - [47] - Quote You are right that risk/reward is off. That is one reason there is so much stomping. I have always advocated for a more robust system for rewards, and have seen many others do the same. I can't remember any of it getting a response from CCP. Meta locks on the other hand have been discussed by them to my recollection. Or at least acknowledged. I was hoping squad number changes would have been the answer, and was not behind meta locks until then. Now there is little choice. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.28 21:25:00 - [48] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You are right that risk/reward is off. That is one reason there is so much stomping. I have always advocated for a more robust system for rewards, and have seen many others do the same. I can't remember any of it getting a response from CCP. Meta locks on the other hand have been discussed by them to my recollection. Or at least acknowledged. I was hoping squad number changes would have been the answer, and was not behind meta locks until then. Now there is little choice. Nothing in this game will ever be right without an incentive to win. Having one side give up as soon as they know winning will result in negative ISK leads to skewed stats. Skewed stats leaves nothing to reliably match make or balance based on. You are correct that meta locks were mentioned by Rattati but like I said above it was a knee jerk reaction to appease the community which simply did not stand up to scrutiny. o7 All #514InTheWind
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.28 21:49:00 - [49] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: One Eyed King wrote: You are right that risk/reward is off. That is one reason there is so much stomping. I have always advocated for a more robust system for rewards, and have seen many others do the same. I can't remember any of it getting a response from CCP. Meta locks on the other hand have been discussed by them to my recollection. Or at least acknowledged. I was hoping squad number changes would have been the answer, and was not behind meta locks until then. Now there is little choice. Nothing in this game will ever be right without an incentive to win. Having one side give up as soon as they know winning will result in negative ISK leads to skewed stats. Skewed stats leaves nothing to reliably match make or balance based on. You are correct that meta locks were mentioned by Rattati but like I said above it was a knee jerk reaction to appease the community which simply did not stand up to scrutiny. It is not the lack of incentive to win that is the problem. It is that winning, and winning big, is nearly the only way to make money. Incentives are needed to stay in a fight even if its likely you will lose. Those aren't there, and it is why so many leave battles. This leads to squads of people in OP gear to ensure victory, and leaving when games seem lost, with a bunch of others sticking around once their team's proto squads are gone. Now they are outnumbered and out geared. Meta locks will mean less risk of loss for those in pubs, and as a result more incentive to stay for the fun. If anything, it will give new and random mercs the ability to fight back some without being so heavily outclassed. There also needs to be incentives for new players to stick out the grind and learn the game. Getting constantly stomped by people they are out playing yet seem to make no damage and die quickly is poor incentive to stick around. They need to at least get the occasional kill, and can't do that when they are up against players with more HP and DPS. Make no mistake, we could already be well past the point of no return regarding player numbers and good games. Well past appropriate risk/reward adjustment and meta locks. The biggest loss to me has been the fun of close games. You can try and pay mercs for winning and even losing, but no amount of imaginary money can force people to stick around and play a game that isn't fun. The gear imbalance is a big factor in the new player vs vet gap, and is a big part in the lack of competitive and fun games. I say put meta locks in pubs and lets have fun again. If people want to use their pricey gear, they can play FW and PC. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 120	Posted - 2015.12.28 21:57:00 - [50] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: I believe that if there are more players trying to join than there are shiting on them. All you need to do is give em a chance. You guys are only top shot because the new players aren't given a chance. What you guys seem to be missing is that nothing in this game supports meta locks. Payouts are generated by ISK destroyed. Tanks have been switched to some sort of hybrid tiericide system that leaves their metas useless. Core skills and the warbarge damage bonus essentially multiply meta. Trust me if I saw one single argument that actually made sense for meta locks I would not be here trying to explain why it will not work. Meta locks are not the band aid to solve the fact that there is no incentive to win and poor is a polite word for matchmaking. OK a band add on a buck shoot wounds is better then doing nothing about it, the payout system isnt really going on isk lost it looks at a part of that over all number and adds a little to the over all battle cost, adding to a pre set config is all its doing. I've been on them losing teams where no one really died cuss it was 3 on 10 and I've been on the other end of got paid almost half a mil both ways the fact they will not share their math shows its BS but that isn't the issue here! From what I can tell there are those that give a damn about this game and those that give a damn about them self's and i would say we are at a impasse, ether purpose something useful to the subject or leave it alone! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!

Pope Chester 514 MAFIA 24	Posted - 2015.12.28 22:11:00 - [51] - Quote The cost of the suits does a fine job of keeping balance. Ccp needs to open the entire dust market place to free trade. Let the invisible hand do the work.
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.12.28 22:30:00 - [52] - Quote The problem with metalocks is that they are based on the sum of the metalevels, not the average. This means that metalocks either A) are so low that suits such as movie cannot deploy or B) meta level is high enough to accommodate logi suits, but its also high enough for proto stomps. We need to have a metalocks for the total average meta level of a fitting rather than the sum. That way we can ensure movie aren't banned from pubs simply by having more slots than everyone else. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.28 22:37:00 - [53] - Quote Pope Chester wrote: The cost of the suits does a fine job of keeping balance. Ccp needs to open the entire dust market place to free trade. Let the invisible hand do the work. This would be a massive under taking, and beyond what resources CCP has for Dust. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 121	Posted - 2015.12.28 22:48:00 - [54] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: The problem with metalocks is that they are based on the sum of the metalevels, not the average. This means that metalocks either A) are so low that suits such as movie cannot deploy or B) meta level is high enough to accommodate logi suits, but its also high enough for proto stomps. We need to have a metalocks for the total average meta level of a fitting rather than the sum. That way we can ensure movie aren't banned from pubs simply by having more slots than everyone else. why is it every one of you think a metalock is limited to the over all sum number? look at it like this pubs should be nothing over meta 3 ****** meta1 **** meta2 **** meta2 **** meta3 ********************************** meta4 **** meta5 **** meta6 ****** for all equipment gear suits guns ect ect ect... Boom it works! end of story. It really is that simple, go with KISS and you cant go wrong! It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!


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