Okay so it's no secret that I have a problem with Mass Drivers and Plasma Cannons but I've never been able to give an outstanding example as to why;

With that being said, I just finished a match on my alt running basic / frontline gear and we were playing against these guys

1. Juan2000RX TROL (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
2. Ivan Xrminador27 (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
3. Beninho gamez (Freedom Mass Driver + Jumpy)
4. Alex 95121 (Plasma Cannon + Jumpy)
5. trrfh toljh (Mass Driver)
6. Master Kalvo
7. miligo jp
8. LuisGS18 (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
9. Dust 514 t
10. spec corral (Plasma Cannon + Jumpy)
11. Pemac net (Allotek Plasma Cannon)
12. miguelcool13
13. pollo huevos
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The match went like this;

We reached the objective first, got the hack and the match was really fun we kept the hack but we were dying some and they were dying some and I was doing pretty well with my alt and basic / frontline gear, but then the tide changed! We were assault by 4 jumpy splash damage weapon users and at that point, I just sort of sat back and watched.

We had then their MCC totally down to its shield and were up by 14 clones but when the mass drivers began to appear and jumpy suits and plasma cannons, the numbers quickly changed! They got the hack and kept it and cloned us out by 48 clones!

MASS DRIVERS
PLASMA CANNONS
JUMPY SUITS

It's easy mode. They said "oh crap we're losing time to be cheap" and I've never seen so many jumpy mass driver players at one time and jumpy plasma cannon players at one time it looked like a child's birthday party and all the kids were jumping in a ball pit!

CCP REALLY?

Just because you run around with a shotgun or an explosive splash damage weapon doesn't make you a good player, in my opinion it makes you a chump!

Signed,

-The last true cowboy in this game who will fight you like a man and not cheat you out of a good game and a fair victory.

Okay so it's no secret that I have a problem with Mass Drivers and Plasma Cannons but I've never been able to give an outstanding example as to why;

With that being said, I just finished a match on my alt running basic / frontline gear and we were playing against these guys

1. Juan2000RX TROL (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
2. Ivan Xrminador27 (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
3. Beninho gamez (Freedom Mass Driver + Jumpy)
4. Alex 95121 (Plasma Cannon + Jumpy)
5. trrfh toljh (Mass Driver)
6. Master Kalvo
7. miligo jp
8. LuisGS18 (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
9. Dust 514 t
10. spec corral (Plasma Cannon + Jumpy)
11. Pemac net (Allotek Plasma Cannon)
12. miguelcool13
13. pollo huevos
-

The match went like this;

We reached the objective first, got the hack and the match was really fun we kept the hack but we were dying some and they were dying some and I was doing pretty well with my alt and basic / frontline gear, but then the tide changed! We were assault by 4 jumpy splash damage weapon users and at that point, I just sort of sat back and watched.

We had then their MCC totally down to its shield and were up by 14 clones but when the mass drivers began to appear and jumpy suits and plasma cannons, the numbers quickly changed! They got the hack and kept it and cloned us out by 48 clones!

MASS DRIVERS
PLASMA CANNONS
JUMPY SUITS

It's easy mode. They said "oh crap we're losing time to be cheap" and I've never seen so many jumpy mass driver players at one time and jumpy plasma cannon players at one time it looked like a child's birthday party and all the kids were jumping in a ball pit!

CCP REALLY?

Just because you run around with a shotgun or an explosive splash damage weapon doesn't make you a good player, in my opinion it makes you a chump!

Signed,

-The last true cowboy in this game who will fight you like a man and not cheat you out of a good game and a fair victory.

I missed the last event, what's unique about the council rep tools

CCP REALLY?

Just because you run around with a shotgun or an explosive splash damage weapon doesn't make you a good player, in my opinion it makes you a chump!

Signed,

-The last true cowboy in this game who will fight you like a man and not cheat you out of a good game and a fair victory.

It's the jumpiness that breaks the game. You leave my Plasma Cannon out of this.

I missed the last event, what's unique about the council rep tools

Definitely the myos. I hate MD spam, but its just a grenade launcher and is situational at best. I love my PLC and have never made a jumpy fit while using one.

Jump height modifications can exist, just not in their current form. 3 myos gets you over walls and yanks you outta combat like an ejector seat. Max height should be just enough to get on top of small crates and battlefield features.

The problem is not the mass-driver or the plasma cannon, but rather their misuse with myofibs. Mass drivers are area denial weapons so as long as someone is doing well with them without myos, they aren't considered scrubs or ruling the game. Same with plasma cannons. The are for AV. Now, some people (like me) are skilled woth the PC and can do well without myos. That's just skill.

I agree. It's the jumpiness which is the most absurd of all this. The combination of jumpy plus whatever else is just adding insult to injury, but if there was one thing that should be dealt with it's the jumpiness, particularly of heavies. That's just ridiculous.

But clearly, someone in CCP or CPM thinks this is great, or they would have fixed it already.

I challenge u to a plasma Cannon dual!
(what I really mean is I haven't used it in months agasint infantry)

Just because you run around with a shotgun or an explosive splash damage weapon doesn't make you a good player, in my opinion it makes you a chump!

First, leave my beautiful plasma cannon alone or you will be arrested.

Second, I blame CCP for ruining myofibs to make them jump (which makes no sense because melee does not track and how can you punch someone while you're 15 meters in the air?).

I don't blame the weapons (well, I blame the mass driver a little bit because it's never been hard to go on top of a building with a freedom mass driver now has it?), I blame the jumping bonus to myofibs

Just make it so that when you drop from height of the 3 proto myofib jump that you have to use inertia dampner or take damage

Make that height activate at a lower amount

Okay so it's no secret that I have a problem with Mass Drivers and Plasma Cannons but I've never been able to give an outstanding example as to why;

With that being said, I just finished a match on my alt running basic / frontline gear and we were playing against these guys

1. Juan2000RX TROL (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
2. Ivan Xrminador27 (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
3. Beninho gamez (Freedom Mass Driver + Jumpy)
4. Alex 95121 (Plasma Cannon + Jumpy)
5. trrfh toljh (Mass Driver)
6. Master Kalvo
7. miligo jp
8. LuisGS18 (Mass Driver + Jumpy)
9. Dust 514 t
10. spec corral (Plasma Cannon + Jumpy)
11. Pemac net (Allotek Plasma Cannon)
12. miguelcool13
13. pollo huevos
-

The match went like this;

We reached the objective first, got the hack and the match was really fun we kept the hack but we were dying some and they were dying some and I was doing pretty well with my alt and basic / frontline gear, but then the tide changed! We were assault by 4 jumpy splash damage weapon users and at that point, I just sort of sat back and watched.

We had then their MCC totally down to its shield and were up by 14 clones but when the mass drivers began to appear and jumpy suits and plasma cannons, the numbers quickly changed! They got the hack and kept it and cloned us out by 48 clones!

MASS DRIVERS
PLASMA CANNONS
JUMPY SUITS

It's easy mode. They said "oh crap we're losing time to be cheap" and I've never seen so many jumpy mass driver players at one time and jumpy plasma cannon players at one time it looked like a child's birthday party and all the kids were jumping in a ball pit!

CCP REALLY?

Just because you run around with a shotgun or an explosive splash damage weapon doesn't make you a good player, in my opinion it makes you a chump!

Signed,

-The last true cowboy in this game who will fight you like a man and not cheat you out of a good game and a fair victory.

Seriously, ignore the title and read the link below all the way through. It's a very good read.

I'm not trolling. Read it and notice how it points out so many different viewpoints on perceptions of game balance.


Link


Zen in this game comes from understanding that not everyone will be happy, so just run whatever the hell you want and stop whining about what other people run.

In my personal opinion, anything allowed by game rules that aren't considered cheats, hacks, or exploits are all fair game. I haven't whined about anything since and in all honesty, its a far better mindset to have.

Seriously, ignore the title and read the link below all the way through. It's a very good read.

I'm not trolling. Read it and notice how it points out so many different viewpoints on perceptions of game balance.


Link


Zen in this game comes from understanding that not everyone will be happy, so just run whatever the hell you want and stop whining about what other people run.

In my personal opinion, anything allowed by game rules that aren't considered cheats, hacks, or exploits are all fair game. I haven't whined about anything since and in all honesty, its a far better mindset to have.

No, sorry, I can't agree with you. I usually find I do but not this time. There is too much that has been added to this game which is just ridiculous. Just because CCP adds something to the game doesn't mean it's a good thing. Make it too ridiculous and people will leave.

jumpy suits should take 200 fall damage each time their feat touch the ground. problem solved.

Seriously, ignore the title and read the link below all the way through. It's a very good read.

I'm not trolling. Read it and notice how it points out so many different viewpoints on perceptions of game balance.


Link


Zen in this game comes from understanding that not everyone will be happy, so just run whatever the hell you want and stop whining about what other people run.

In my personal opinion, anything allowed by game rules that aren't considered cheats, hacks, or exploits are all fair game. I haven't whined about anything since and in all honesty, its a far better mindset to have.

That's total crap dude, and I'll tell you why!

Let's say CCP had a competition, the winner got a special dropsuit that made you invincible and unable to be killed and 'ol Michael Epic won it'

You would **** and moan and whine and cry and complain at scream and shout about how that was unfair and blah blah blah

Then your entire theory about that article would be shot to hell in a hand basket!

Learn to think for yourself dude and stop being a sheep....I mean all Dust 514 flaming aside, that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this forums, one idiot quoting another idiots idiotic article about idiocy!

jumpy suits should take 200 fall damage each time their feat touch the ground. problem solved.

I'm a MD user since day one, and have used myos shortly when they where introduced. Didn't like it so went back to 1 myo max (to get over stuff faster - parcour style).

But recently I put back myos (2) on my minmandos for two reasons:

First, you need to be able to jump on certain objects (rooftops) if you get put there for PC AV/overwatch purposes.
Second, the myos are the only option to evade the recent rise of the speedtanked shotty invasion in PC (scouts and assaults wiht Bon's). This has helped my survivability in shotty situations a lot.

However, I don't like the jumpy MD crowd as much as the next guy. So there should be a higher drain of stamina if you stack those things. What if you loose 50% extra per jump for every myo fitted after the first one?

So if you fit two, you lose 150% of stamina per jump instead of 100% with one or none fitted.
If you fit 3, you loose 200% of the stamina of an non myo jump.

This wuld reduce the amount of jumps, or they would have to fit cardiacs, which would decrease their hp, since they could not fit as many plates.

This way myos could still be used strategically (which is a very good thing!) but not as much for spamming Explosives (MD/PLC/FL). It would still be possible, but toned down a bit.

I use both and am quite earth bound.

I do however despise frog men and think they are abusing a mechanic that has gone too far. Have you tried killing any with a mass driver?

I agree. It's the jumpiness which is the most absurd of all this. The combination of jumpy plus whatever else is just adding insult to injury, but if there was one thing that should be dealt with it's the jumpiness, particularly of heavies. That's just ridiculous.

But clearly, someone in CCP or CPM thinks this is great, or they would have fixed it already.

The game was never designed to accommodate a more vertical play-style, as made evident by the weapons, spawns, and overall map design. (not to mention poor HD, frame rate, and overall lag)

Adding it to appease the fading player-base and to try and keep up to speed with this current generation of FPS games was yet another example of how out of touch CCP has become with their own game.

That's total crap dude, and I'll tell you why!

Let's say CCP had a competition, the winner got a special dropsuit that made you invincible and unable to be killed and 'ol Michael Epic won it'

You would **** and moan and whine and cry and complain at scream and shout about how that was unfair and blah blah blah

Then your entire theory about that article would be shot to hell in a hand basket!

Learn to think for yourself dude and stop being a sheep....I mean all Dust 514 flaming aside, that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this forums, one idiot quoting another idiots idiotic article about idiocy!

It was fun in the beginning but the shooting while jumping in mid air needs to go

There are too many hit detection issues with it.

I have proposed ( as well as others) to change the jump bonus to an equipment module

- My idea was an equipment module that does not allow you to shoot while it is in use

Give them some space so they don't move out of your FOV, .....

this comment completely ignores perception range relevant to ewar.

jumpy mods are very, very, very frequently teamed with profile damps and/or scout suits

he is in the air at or before the moment you see him.

The y-axis on a controller does not allow for the reaction speed necessary - no matter how good you are.

It's broken. Period.

If this is your idea of a counter-argument, I'll just leave the conversation right here.

Playing the what-if game is stupid and childish. Especially when something that idiotic would never get past CCP and into the actual game.

In your case however, I'd argue that stealing other peoples thoughts might actually be an improvement in your arguments.


Bottom line is the fact that CCP introduced it, and BALANCED it. I could understand if they said "Hey, this was a bad idea, lets pull it out". But they didn't. They did a pass and put it to where they believed it should be.

And until they say "Hey, this was a bad idea, we're pulling it out" its completely within the others players rights to run their suits as they see fit.

Why are they effective? Jumpy fits take advantage of the fact that a lot of newer/unskilled players have an extreme difficulty in shooting in the Y axis when all they've ever had to worry about is the X axis. The sudden paradigm shift is something they can't deal with.

To anyone with decent FPS experience, they make themselves an easy target. They have no more maneuverability and an easy to predict trajectory. Give them some space so they don't move out of your FOV, melt them and move on. You want to have some real fun? Cook a nade and toss it at their feet when they're about to land. Laugh manically at flying bodies.

Its not unfair, its not unbalanced, and it certainly isn't OP. They're taking advantage of the fact that unskilled opponents are terrible at adapting to new scenarios. If you're as epic as you think you are, remind with your rifle that they're taking a gamble every time they pull that suit out.

I'm going to have to point something out to you about most of the jumpy people I come across.

Most of the jumpy people I come across do not immediately start jumping all over the place the moment I start battling them nor do I see them jumping prior to me engaging them. Because I am not aware that a particular merc has equipped the ability to jump 20 feet into the air I will engage them in CQC just like I do with everyone else.

Only after I start whipping their @$$ and outperforming them with my gungame do I see them rocket into the air and immediately start launching flaylock pistol rounds at me.

Your suggestions for combating jumpy people only applies after you identify that a particular person is in fact a jumpy.

As of right now there is no visible way of telling if a person is a jumpy or not without actually seeing them jump. Also, right now the mercs don't even bend their knees prior to the actual jump; the bending of the knees would be an indication that the person is going to jump which would give a person a margin of time to prepare for what is about to happen.

Right now a merc when engaged in a fight with someone can go from doing a little wiggle wiggle action to immediately launching into the air at a speed faster than they can move in any other direction in this game.

The majority of the people who use myofibs so that they can jump ridiculously high into the air are garbage players who lack skill and have to resort to a ******** tactic that you would think would only be found in FPS games like Halo and COD but never found in a FPS game like Dust514.

When the jumpiness first came about in this game I used to tell people the same thing you are now. I would tell people to adapt and tell them that the arcs that they would take when flying through the air were predictable enough to make shooting them out of the sky an easy task.

Now I understand that this adapt or die mentality when it comes to the jumpiness is absolute ******** because those trashy ******* players never bothered to adapt to the skillsets of the players in this game themselves. Instead of developing better gungame these people would simply run from you, abandon their teammates, steal kills, etc. all to make themselves feel like they actually have skill when the EOM screen pops up.

Now these garbage players will battle you but the moment they realize they are up against someone better than them they resort to jumping 20 feet into the air and spamming explosives everywhere.

I am actually kind of shocked that you are defending such a trashy tactic in this game. Do you even play this game anymore?


Edit: I just had a possible realization about you. I might be confusing you with someone else but are you the jumpy person I used to see squadding with Soniic Howl in Acquisition? You would jump around in a Proto Minmatar Dropsuit taking advantage of newberries; are you that person I am thinking about?

Okay so it's no secret that I have a problem with Mass Drivers and Plasma Cannons but I've never been able to give an outstanding example as to why;

With that being said, I just finished a match on my alt running basic / frontline gear and we were playing against these guys

11. Pemac net (Allotek Plasma Cannon)

...

playing to win.. whats the harm in that?

nothing... absolutely nothing....


how would you feel if i got my 1.7 512.5 hps 200k rep tank blaster maddy back?


i mean sure. av wouldnt be competent enough to handle its power. so you would get you ass handed to you with no hope of victory. after all... im playing to win.

only difference is the fact that its a win that is assured to me rather than skill and luck.


that little article of yours is stupid.... more like an abomination where the writer is a dumbass for putting it down in the first place.


and now. i shall head back to fallout 3. where an army of enclave soldiers are about to get there asses kicked on the hardest difficulty.. by a simple guy in winterized t51b power armor. with a massive arsenal of weapons moving at a very, very slow walking pace....

pretty sure the weapons will break before i run out of ammo. good thing i have spares

MD`s are op though.

jumpy suits should take 200 fall damage each time their feat touch the ground. problem solved.

I'm going to have to point something out to you about most of the jumpy people I come across.

Most of the jumpy people I come across do not immediately start jumping all over the place the moment I start battling them nor do I see them jumping prior to me engaging them. Because I am not aware that a particular merc has equipped the ability to jump 20 feet into the air I will engage them in CQC just like I do with everyone else.

Only after I start whipping their @$$ and outperforming them with my gungame do I see them rocket into the air and immediately start launching flaylock pistol rounds at me.

Your suggestions for combating jumpy people only applies after you identify that a particular person is in fact a jumpy.

As of right now there is no visible way of telling if a person is a jumpy or not without actually seeing them jump. Also, right now the mercs don't even bend their knees prior to the actual jump; the bending of the knees would be an indication that the person is going to jump which would give a person a margin of time to prepare for what is about to happen.

Right now a merc when engaged in a fight with someone can go from doing a little wiggle wiggle action to immediately launching into the air at a speed faster than they can move in any other direction in this game.

The majority of the people who use myofibs so that they can jump ridiculously high into the air are garbage players who lack skill and have to resort to a ******** tactic that you would think would only be found in FPS games like Halo and COD but never found in a FPS game like Dust514.

When the jumpiness first came about in this game I used to tell people the same thing you are now. I would tell people to adapt and tell them that the arcs that they would take when flying through the air were predictable enough to make shooting them out of the sky an easy task.

Now I understand that this adapt or die mentality when it comes to the jumpiness is absolute ******** because those trashy ******* players never bothered to adapt to the skillsets of the players in this game themselves. Instead of developing better gungame these people would simply run from you, abandon their teammates, steal kills, etc. all to make themselves feel like they actually have skill when the EOM screen pops up.

Now these garbage players will battle you but the moment they realize they are up against someone better than them they resort to jumping 20 feet into the air and spamming explosives everywhere.

I am actually kind of shocked that you are defending such a trashy tactic in this game. Do you even play this game anymore?


Edit: I just had a possible realization about you. I might be confusing you with someone else but are you the jumpy person I used to see squadding with Soniic Howl in Acquisition? You would jump around in a Proto Minmatar Dropsuit taking advantage of newberries; are you that person I am thinking about?

The problem is not the mass-driver or the plasma cannon, but rather their misuse with myofibs. Mass drivers are area denial weapons so as long as someone is doing well with them without myos, they aren't considered scrubs or ruling the game. Same with plasma cannons. The are for AV. Now, some people (like me) are skilled woth the PC and can do well without myos. That's just skill.