ya i have three accounts and have not paid for any of them for about 3 months now. but 1.5bil isk every month is nothing to shake a stick at either haha :p I would hate to earn that in dust haha only up to 5 mil in dust hahahaha

Yes, and this also leads to another point, someone, somewhere, will have to pay something for the game to work.

By work I mean run on servers and get new content, and have people patch problems and that sort of thing. So don't we want at least some players to try to pay to win? Even if you keep telling them they can't, really? I have seen already in combat that upgraded gear doesn't always trump the starting gear. And as far as I can tell right now anything is better than a shotgun. Is it not counter productive to sink so much time and effort into trying to balance the economics of the game comparing Isk versions of items to AUR versions when an entire weapon type often seems completely outclassed in every way by anything?

If AURUM stuff is still there at launch , i wont play DUST514 anymore and thats for sure.

It was too good to be true.

If AURUM stuff is still there at launch , i wont play DUST514 anymore and thats for sure.

It was too good to be true.

DUST 514 is not Pay 2 Win. If you check the AUR items' stats you'll see that generally an AUR item is at the same level of an ISK one but with fewer requirements or a little more optimized. Someone dressed in full-AUR dropsuit, with full AUR modules and weapons won't be a one man army. At all. There is no GÇ£AUR AutoaimGÇ¥ or GÇ£AUR Invulnerability ShieldGÇ¥.
We don't like the Pay 2 Win idea at all. There are a lot of games (or "games"...) out there with this mechanism and IGÇÖm talking about videogames, card games, board games as well.
We want something new, something fun, something nice.
We are gamers on the first place, like everyone in this community and we are very intresting in reading opinions and feedback from you guys. We really trust in this game, believe me.
Will it be a success? You'll decide.

tl;dr version:
AUR items != faceroll 2 win

And for all of you that push this notion of Pay to Win:
-We still didnt see all weapons,dropsuits and items so dont judge about AUR items being overpowered becouse they will probably add ISK ones of the same quality but probably of higher level and you will be able to buy AUR items that were made by players that they are selling for ISK(probably not the same name but variation of it which you may notice in VARIATIONS)
-You are getting a free game.A FREE GAME.Do I need to write that again?FREE GAME.You probably wont put any money in it and it will take some more time to get to higher level and ofcourse they will give some bonuses to those that will.They will keep them going and make them a profit which is the whole point of launching a game especially one this big.Thats how the world works.You dont get something from nothing but they are giving you a ability to do that here.
I may be wrong on all points and I apologize if I am.But I just cant stand people whining about something they get for free.Its like watching one of those videos when kid gets Iphone 4 and start crying becouse they wanted Iphone 4s.

If AURUM stuff is still there at launch , i wont play DUST514 anymore and thats for sure.

It was too good to be true.

absolutely no gear you buy with aur is overpowered every item is the same , I guess people check the market and just stare at the aur gear and go like oh **** it's p2w , when they should compare both ISK items and aur items and they will see they are equal , pluss when the market goes live we will be able to buy aur gear with ISK. So there is no pay to win , besides the militia asualt rifle and breach pistol can kill anyone

*snip* be nice.

AUR and ISK items the same?

There are differences, that means they are not the same!

Same skill level , there is no upgrades just side grades (quoted from what a ccp dev said) and what I meant to say they will be the same gear come to future updates so quit wining about what's on the market now

Better yet, how about YOU quit whining all the time about people pointing out problems, instead of waiting for the final release to figure out how to live with bugs

Dude I play dc Universe online probably the biggest pay to win , buggeiest mmorpg on the ps3 I know how to live with bugs

Just because you like P2W, doesn't mean you can tell those of us who don't to quit complaining about it.

I really (and I do mean REALLY) don't give a flying **** about DC Universe. And from what you say, it's crap anyway.
DUST is NOT DC Universe, MAG or any other, DUST is DUST, with a side order of EVE, and just because other games are crap and ruined by P2W, doesn't mean we want DUST to be crap as well.

And do remember one little detail, CCP made a promise at the Fanfest, that DUST would NOT be Pay to Win, meaning that even just a LITTLE Pay 2 Win is a breach of that promise. We got less than some other games, but we still got a lot, and quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn about your redefinitions of the terminology to fit your own (and CCP's) notion of what Pay to Win is.

Can a GM or any other player post some comparable specs for a same level equipment or dropsuit?

I know you guys are passonate about the game, and some especially so about views of things like Pay 2 Win but please remember to keep it civil on the forums.

At least you are willing to admit that it is Pay 2 Win. The GM just took the definition of a "Subscription" and called THAT P2W.

I'm all for the Aurum items being slightly better
I personally haven't compared them, but if they really are 30% or so easier to fit, then that to me is pretty bad.

5-10% is fine in my book, but 30% is a bit much

Its still gonna be there , goodbye , youll miss out on this great game

all I have seen you do is disregard the countless reasonable complaints that people levy at this game.

and as it stands right now it is not a "great" game. I hold out hope that it will be by the time it releases, as there is alot of potential. but as it stands now, it is not even a "good" game. it needs alot of work. and thats why people are pointing out stuff. we want the game to be a success, and we will help CCP reverse this unbalanced mess one aspect at a time. truth hurts, but its part of the process.

they are both maxed out, and it makes 0% difference on the subject, you are talking a difference of 30 cpu between the aurum stuff and the isk stuff, that is will over 25% of the cpu on a suit. so skills are going to have little to do with it.