DUST Search - CPM, Why did you allow this event?

Nothing Certain wrote:

postapo wastelander wrote:

Nothing Certain wrote:

All the CPM candidates said that the NPE was a big concern to them and they would work to fix it, The biggest, and worsening, problems on Dust are proto/officer stomping squads and people leaving matches, yet this event does nothing but encourage both behaviors. A new player has almost no chance of completing the event and will only face greater frustration than usual. The prize is a respec. If you are capable of getting 514 kills in a week, guess what?, you don't need a respec. The guys who need a respec are the ones who can't complete the missions because there suits are too weak. What the hell were you thinking?

I understand CCP's reasoning. Use up lots of officer gear, make it frustrating so people will buy Aurum stuff, but the CPM is supposed to be looking out for the players, not screwing them over. Well, then again, it is pretty well documented that the CPM looks out for their protostomping buddies every time, I guess my question is rhetorical.

What limits you from making protosquad too?

I know people like you.
First there is issue with protos.
After that with squads.

What will be next time too OP Flaylock??

XD

I don't have an issue with either proto or squads, I have an issue with protosquads being placed against new players running solo. I could run in a protosquad, I occassionally do, but that does nothing to solve the problem. It isn't players like me with 70 milion SP that have the problem, I don't need a solution, the game does.

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Avallo Kantor 945	Posted - 2015.10.29 15:32:00 - [31] - Quote Trying to provide some more feedback, I don't think having high kill / win goals is necessarily a bad event goal, but it needs to be balanced out by other goals as well. Using the last event as an example there were several persistent missions that were of varying levels of difficulty. While the kill mission may have been too hard for many, the other goals were far more reasonable. Having a mix of missions that range in difficulty allow for more hard core players to push themselves for difficult goals, while still allowing less skilled players to reach goals and get rewards as well. One other suggestion is to set up an event where the bonus reward for completing X missions is replaced with an event mission that needs X event missions to get credit for. Then players can choose from a wider selection of missions to complete to work toward that goal. This way you can provide a mixture of mission objectives and ensure that a player does not need to complete all for the reward, only a subset that he chooses to pursue. "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 15:44:00 - [32] - Quote Since none of the other CPM members have really answered the original question, I'll try to, while ignoring the hate thread this discussion has devolved into. We as Dust players have wanted to be more connected to the daily going ons of Eve and the larger New Eden universe, so when The Crimson Harvest was announced for Eve, the Dust community guys quickly scrambled to create a tie-in event for us. The 514 kills objective, while not ideal, certainly fits the Blood Raiders theme. We strongly advised a more inclusive type of event, but the timetable was against us if we wanted it to coincide with Eve. The original rewards, in my opinion, were a bit lackluster, but we pushed hard for a Respec to be included in addition to the skin. This wasn't popular with everyone, but we knew many players would jump at the opportunity to redistribute their skills. But you'd know all this already if you had actually payed attention to what the CPM has been saying, on the forums, the Biomassed podcast, and our various Skype channels. "Sex is OK!" -CCP Rouge our benevolent overlord "Why does everyone fellatiate Darth? Why?!" -Aeon Amadi
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 551	Posted - 2015.10.29 15:48:00 - [33] - Quote Jackkkkkkkkkkkkkkky jack wrote: actually... i never proto stomp..... i have only 70mil sp, n i really need that resetting, i got 514 kills in two days...... all about teamwork n skill lol tough but possible Whoa! Congratulations on finishing the grind.
Nothing Certain Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 15:54:00 - [34] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: All the CPM candidates said that the NPE was a big concern to them and they would work to fix it, The biggest, and worsening, problems on Dust are proto/officer stomping squads and people leaving matches, yet this event does nothing but encourage both behaviors. A new player has almost no chance of completing the event and will only face greater frustration than usual. The prize is a respec. If you are capable of getting 514 kills in a week, guess what?, you don't need a respec. The guys who need a respec are the ones who can't complete the missions because there suits are too weak. What the hell were you thinking? I understand CCP's reasoning. Use up lots of officer gear, make it frustrating so people will buy Aurum stuff, but the CPM is supposed to be looking out for the players, not screwing them over. Well, then again, it is pretty well documented that the CPM looks out for their protostomping buddies every time, I guess my question is rhetorical. What limits you from making protosquad too? I know people like you. First there is issue with protos. After that with squads. What will be next time too OP Flaylock?? XD I don't have an issue with either proto or squads, I have an issue with protosquads being placed against new players running solo. I could run in a protosquad, I occassionally do, but that does nothing to solve the problem. It isn't players like me with 70 milion SP that have the problem, I don't need a solution, the game does. Because, that's why.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 987	Posted - 2015.10.29 15:54:00 - [35] - Quote I guess the protostomping and NPE talks will never cease. I wish it would stop. The EVE universe is a "jump into the ocean, learn how to swim and avoid the sharks" type of game. Saying what's on people's minds
Nothing Certain Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:03:00 - [36] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CPM doesn't have "power over CCP". They can give feedback and that can sometimes change CCP's mind. I guess you could say they have a limited influence over CCP. But remember that CCP can opt to completely ignore CPM feedback and do what they want. The CPM might have had lukewarm reactions to this event and CCP said, "**** it, this event is easy to code and it's in time for Halloween so we're doing it." Have you seen anything to suggest that the CPM voiced any opposition to this event or other events that encourage stomping? I haven't. Heh... Jeez... I mean, we -just- finished hitting the warbarge passive officer gear generation. I dunno about you but I consider that a major success considering the impact it's had on the game since conception. There will never be a time, this CPM or the next, where we will address all the problems in one fell swoop (at least, not without outright breaking the game). So, my question is what would you like us to do, exactly..? Put yourself in our shoes and tell us what you would have said to CCP. How would you oppose the stomping in the event? You are right, I am frustrated because the same problem has been an issue as long as I've been playing this game, and before that, and continues to be a problem. I no longer expect a good solution to matchmaking because I don't think one can be implemented. The reduction in officer gear was a good start, I wasn't even aware of that when I posted originally. The standardization of slots was also a good step, but clearly these "kill the most" events make a bad situation worse, why not implement something that like rewards for killing protosutis while wearing militia gear and bonuses for officer suits, why not have logi events or AV/vehicle events or anything but "Protoup, Squadup and leave if the competition is hard" events. Sorry if my expectations of the CPM seem higher than reasonable, I know you have limited influence, but who else are we supposed to demand things from if not our representatives? Because, that's why.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:05:00 - [37] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: All the CPM candidates said that the NPE was a big concern to them and they would work to fix it, The biggest, and worsening, problems on Dust are proto/officer stomping squads and people leaving matches, yet this event does nothing but encourage both behaviors. A new player has almost no chance of completing the event and will only face greater frustration than usual. The prize is a respec. If you are capable of getting 514 kills in a week, guess what?, you don't need a respec. The guys who need a respec are the ones who can't complete the missions because there suits are too weak. What the hell were you thinking? I understand CCP's reasoning. Use up lots of officer gear, make it frustrating so people will buy Aurum stuff, but the CPM is supposed to be looking out for the players, not screwing them over. Well, then again, it is pretty well documented that the CPM looks out for their protostomping buddies every time, I guess my question is rhetorical. What limits you from making protosquad too? I know people like you. First there is issue with protos. After that with squads. What will be next time too OP Flaylock?? XD I don't have an issue with either proto or squads, I have an issue with protosquads being placed against new players running solo. I could run in a protosquad, I occassionally do, but that does nothing to solve the problem. It isn't players like me with 70 milion SP that have the problem, I don't need a solution, the game does. Nope you talking about newbies and loners. May i have question:"For what newbie want a respec.", that is first one and the second one is:"Why game need something against playersbase?" If you are running alone (like me sometimes) you have pretty big chance to achieve respec. Helvete i manage some kills in two or three days. If i will grind i will have respec and im not good at all. Honestly it looks like you hiding behind last "the groups are plague" trend just because you want price without much efort. *"Completion by direct action"* `Forge syndicalist of Corrosive Synergy`
zzZaXxx T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 826	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:11:00 - [38] - Quote There have been times in the past when a respec would just have furthered the imbalances in the game, but actually now is a good time for a lot of respecs. Suits and guns are pretty well balanced by now. GalAss and AR are fine. As much as they can own up close they still have sh*t range and that limits what you can do. SCR and ARR are fine now. There's no real FOTM so I highly doubt all the respecs will result in any imbalance. Should we great because everyone will now be running exactly what they want to run. I win
Nothing Certain Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:11:00 - [39] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Since none of the other CPM members have really answered the original question, I'll try to, while ignoring the hate thread this discussion has devolved into. We as Dust players have wanted to be more connected to the daily going ons of Eve and the larger New Eden universe, so when The Crimson Harvest was announced for Eve, the Dust community guys quickly scrambled to create a tie-in event for us. The 514 kills objective, while not ideal, certainly fits the Blood Raiders theme. We strongly advised a more inclusive type of event, but the timetable was against us if we wanted it to coincide with Eve. The original rewards, in my opinion, were a bit lackluster, but we pushed hard for a Respec to be included in addition to the skin. This wasn't popular with everyone, but we knew many players would jump at the opportunity to redistribute their skills. But you'd know all this already if you had actually payed attention to what the CPM has been saying, on the forums, the Biomassed podcast, and our various Skype channels. Thank you for the answer, I appreciate it. I read the forums everyday, but I think expecting us to Skype and watch podcasts may be expecting a bit too much time investment for the average, or even more than average invested, player to devote to the game outside of playing the game. I guess that my priorities are different than most of the members of the CPM, which is why I perceive them as acting in the interests of larger corporations, most experienced players and "protostompers". That doesn't make me right and you wrong. Thanks for your reply and for your efforts. Because, that's why.
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:34:00 - [40] - Quote Told you it wasn't Darth's fault. Tyrant King, Opus Arcana

CLONE117 True Pros Forever 914	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:51:00 - [41] - Quote the next event should involve mlt gear only. if only we could pilot the mcc. id end the matches real quick.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 16:52:00 - [42] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: the next event should involve mlt gear only. It depends if good items everyone will jump in, if not it will be masacre XD But hey how i told many times before, we still did not have logi event (reping, fixing, hacking) :p *"Completion by direct action"* `Forge syndicalist of Corrosive Synergy`
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 17:15:00 - [43] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CPM doesn't have "power over CCP". They can give feedback and that can sometimes change CCP's mind. I guess you could say they have a limited influence over CCP. But remember that CCP can opt to completely ignore CPM feedback and do what they want. The CPM might have had lukewarm reactions to this event and CCP said, "**** it, this event is easy to code and it's in time for Halloween so we're doing it." Have you seen anything to suggest that the CPM voiced any opposition to this event or other events that encourage stomping? I haven't. Heh... Jeez... I mean, we -just- finished hitting the warbarge passive officer gear generation. I dunno about you but I consider that a major success considering the impact it's had on the game since conception. There will never be a time, this CPM or the next, where we will address all the problems in one fell swoop (at least, not without outright breaking the game). So, my question is what would you like us to do, exactly..? Put yourself in our shoes and tell us what you would have said to CCP. How would you oppose the stomping in the event? While we understand, or at least I do, that you guys, the CPM2, have made every effort to make the game better. This issue we're currently dealing with is pretty bad?! I know you guys have taken on certain issues head on to improve performance where you can. Kirk literally makes vids talking about, and basically updating us on the things you guys are focusing on. This kind of feedback is great, and keeps players playing. To answer your question, I think we have to find some way to encourage new bros to get out of the redline and help the team win! There should be an overwhelming effort to win matches whether it be pubs, FW, or PC (without cheating) in every match. It sure as hell used to be! Sadly, I'm finding myself outgunned 9v12 in dom last night going 13/20/13, and receiving mail from a friend saying "you go hard bro", got the mail to prove it! The match started out 15v16 and in dom a 1 man number advantage isn't much. So why did they leave? Some just don't like some of the maps, and I get that, but shouldn't it be enough incentive per map and match to stay and win? Not sure whether the incentives should go up, or the maps need a change. I've suggested both in different threads. As far as the stomping in events go... for me getting 514 kills and 21 wins just happened without trying. I looked one day and bam there it was. shrugs I remember posting that I wouldn't actually attempt this event because I need neither of the items. For a new bro this event was a trip to Valhalla and back lol! While I would encourage them to except the challenge, I understand the struggle better than most. The question is, how do we encourage more teamwork and push because God knows this game once had it in spades! "Anybody order chaos?"
Piercing Serenity Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 17:53:00 - [44] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: -Snip- But you'd know all this already if you had actually payed attention to what the CPM has been saying, on the forums, the Biomassed podcast, and our various Skype channels. Thank you for the answer, I appreciate it. I read the forums everyday, but I think expecting us to Skype and watch podcasts may be expecting a bit too much time investment for the average, or even more than average invested, player to devote to the game outside of playing the game. -snip- I logged in to like this "For people who don't really do S**T, ya'll really doing the most" Lv. 1 Forum Warrior
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.10.29 19:13:00 - [45] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: I guess the protostomping and NPE talks will never cease. I wish it would stop. The EVE universe is a "jump into the ocean, learn how to swim and avoid the sharks" type of game. Yeah , that's why EVE just incorporated new changes and gained the attention of some in the Dust forums , in an attempt to help garner support for new players but this game can't even get matchmaking right because players like yourself just see nothing wrong with it while the numbers that people like to always bring up in any other instance , tells a different story and has said the same for the two years ... that I've been playing . Constantly going down but hey , let's not fix it because of the reasons that you stressed , you as well as others that just love the current set up and love pub stomping while PC is a desert and a laggy one at that . Lets just get rid of PC matches because it's useless anyway , pubs are treated the same and get far more attention anyway . Hell , lets go all out so we can all play eachother with our 3 ALT's per 3 accounts with 3 PS3's , that would make up for the NPE and CCP can keep sitting on their @$$es about matchmaking . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Immortal John Ripper 29	Posted - 2015.10.29 19:19:00 - [46] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: D4GG3R wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Somehow, it's probably not Darth's fault. Somehow, I blame Zaria. Zaria killed seraphim I blame you too. When Ratatti surpasses my like count, I'd like for my name to be changed to Captain Picard. Will you please be my #1?
JudgeIsABadPilot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 56	Posted - 2015.10.29 19:41:00 - [47] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: All the CPM candidates said that the NPE was a big concern to them and they would work to fix it, The biggest, and worsening, problems on Dust are proto/officer stomping squads and people leaving matches, yet this event does nothing but encourage both behaviors. A new player has almost no chance of completing the event and will only face greater frustration than usual. The prize is a respec. If you are capable of getting 514 kills in a week, guess what?, you don't need a respec. The guys who need a respec are the ones who can't complete the missions because there suits are too weak. What the hell were you thinking? I understand CCP's reasoning. Use up lots of officer gear, make it frustrating so people will buy Aurum stuff, but the CPM is supposed to be looking out for the players, not screwing them over. Well, then again, it is pretty well documented that the CPM looks out for their protostomping buddies every time, I guess my question is rhetorical. Because the CPM is a bunch of yes-men and don't care about it.


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