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Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 00:02:00 - [1] - Quote Inspiration from DDx77 original proposal Players are frustrated by the on-demand ability of continuous jumps and melee provided by myofibril stimulants. As an avid jumpy melee player, I will concede that waves of opportunity should be built into the use of jumps/melee (more than current suit stamina mechanics) to encourage their use for tactical use, rather than a means for spamming ranged explosive weaponry at will in CQC. Altering DDx77 proposal, I want to see blue bottles removed from high slots and moved to the equipment slot; treated with similar mechanics as the personal cloaking device. e.g. Myofibiril Stimulant Device Shared tier attributes: -You cannot hold a weapon, however you may still punch and jump. -All tiers are equivalent to stacking 3 proto myofibiril modules. Regen rate is the defining separation point between myo equipment levels here--waves of opportunity. -Minimum Activation level - 50% -No Put-down delay -Put down auto deplets equipment charge -Green and Red bottle properties are independent of this equipment. Punches and jumps will still drain suit stamina. When equipment loses power your punches and jumps return to normal level. When you run out of suit stamina, you cease to jump or punch until it recovers--even if EQ module is active. -The MSD has a very high pg requirement (see balance factors below). Basic MSD Duration - 20 sec Regen Rate from empty - 20 sec [Effective wait to use equipment again after to swap to weapon] = 10 seconds Adv MSD Duration - 20 sec Regen Rate from empty - 15 sec [Wait] = 7.5 sec Pro MSD Duration - 20 sec Regen Rate from empty - 10 sec [Wait] = 5 sec Balance Factors: -Scouts get a pg fitting bonus to MSDs. -Scouts can fit both a MSD and a cloak thus removing the ability of cloaked super punches from min scouts/ -Logis use their equipment fitting bonus for the MSD -As EQ the MSD gives the logi a buff by allowing them to improve high slot tank or ewar while retaining increased mobility with the MSD to navigate map and lay hives/links. -Assaults and commandos do not get a fitting bonus so they are required to fit pg modules in high slots (similar to myo blue bottles in high slots) in order to fit a MSD while retaining decent fitting space for weapons and low slot modules. -The usefulness of map navigation with a MSD to an assault or commando means they must sacrifice their 1 EQ slot which in the current meta is filled with a scanner, compact nano, allotek nano, or various uplinks. Removing this enhances the support role of logis for their team who may carry multiple equipment in addition a MSD. -Sentinels will continue to not have an EQ slot. All suit tiers would get a jump height buff that allows them to clear rails without a need for modules or EQ. Additions and commentary: -The inclusion of no put down delay allows users to jump and swap to a weapon at the apex of a jump and fire a volley, but they are unable to use jump evasion continuously as the swap instantly depletes equipment power. -By condensing blue bottles into a single module devs can offer variations that offer greater jump power vs less punch power and visa-versa. Additionally, with the single module we won't likely run into the bizarre stacking issue which occurred with 4 and 5 myofibiril stims when jump enhancement were introduced. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 120	Posted - 2015.10.27 00:14:00 - [2] - Quote good luck getting the jump scrubs to agree with you. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine...
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 00:18:00 - [3] - Quote I really don't need to convince them. lights a cyno to devs on Skype Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.10.27 00:54:00 - [4] - Quote No. No seriously no. Im just a glorified blueberry
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.10.27 01:04:00 - [5] - Quote I think there are better alternatives. I run a scout that can be one hit bt MD splash, so I am not exactly a fan. I just think it is a reasonable style that needs a few changes, not something as drastic as making it EQ. Part of the point was that heavies should be able to jump over railings if needs be, and making them EQ negates that. And I have never heard of someone complain about myo-stacking sentinels. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 03:00:00 - [6] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Part of the point was that heavies should be able to jump over railings if needs be, and making them EQ negates that. And I have never heard of someone complain about myo-stacking sentinels. Heavies should be able jump over a 2 foot barrier, let alone a six inch curb, without the need for modules or EQ. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 03:01:00 - [7] - Quote Golden Day wrote: No. No seriously no. Enlighten me. Why are you opposed to it? Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 1	Posted - 2015.10.27 03:48:00 - [8] - Quote If you ( the guy who runs around with equipment in hand punching people to death ) wants this, I have nothing but suspicion if it's coming from you lol.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:04:00 - [9] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: If you ( the guy who runs around with equipment in hand punching people to death ) wants this, I have nothing but suspicion if it's coming from you lol. Yep, I get to maintain my play-style to an extent. I'm looking at the health of the game here and these changes would affect me in several ways. 1.) Can't self rep anymore with a compact nanohive. I will need the support of a logi to rep me in between CQC brawls. 2.) I have to be mindful of my 20 second engagement window with the recharge speed of the EQ, in addition to my suit stamina. 3.) A punchy fit will be more costly to run on a commando as I have to fit 2 to 3 complex pg upgrades in my high slots to offset the pg drain of the MDS equipment--which could be priced around 25k at proto level--bringing it relatively closer into range with the cost of a proto weapon (which at 2228dps at a 1m range is a beast of a weapon). Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:31:00 - [10] - Quote Look, changing the jumping mechanics such that the full jump requires a charge and takes up twice the stamina, while retaining the regular jump and stamina minimizes abuses while still allowing for the extra mobility when wanted. This has been suggested several times by different people and is the best option. Making it EQ is unnecessary, ineloquent, and much more cumbersome. It isn't a good idea. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:38:00 - [11] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Look, changing the jumping mechanics such that the full jump requires a charge and takes up twice the stamina, while retaining the regular jump and stamina minimizes abuses while still allowing for the extra mobility when wanted. This has been suggested several times by different people and is the best option. Making it EQ is unnecessary, ineloquent, and much more cumbersome. It isn't a good idea. Making it EQ allows potential for more variation (which are limited by funky stacking penalties) and accessibility to high jumps for newer players, when equipment is differentiated by EQ recharge time. Quote: By condensing blue bottles into a single module devs can offer variations that offer greater jump power vs less punch power and visa-versa. Additionally, with the single module we won't likely run into the bizarre stacking issue which occurred with 4 and 5 myofibiril stims when jump enhancement were introduced. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Russell Franklin The Exemplars 23	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:45:00 - [12] - Quote What about changing the Kinetics to affect jump instead of myos. Melee players ive seen don't run red bottles much anyway. Dedicated forge gunner and vehicle removal specialist
Russell Franklin The Exemplars 24	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:51:00 - [13] - Quote Russell Franklin wrote: What about changing the Kinetics to affect jump instead of myos. Melee players ive seen don't run red bottles much anyway. Also increase PG/CPU cost of red bottles slightly to help limit some of the jumpers. Dedicated forge gunner and vehicle removal specialist
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:54:00 - [14] - Quote Russell Franklin wrote: What about changing the Kinetics to affect jump instead of myos. Melee players ive seen don't run red bottles much anyway. We've been though this before. Jumps were combined with myos because it follows logic. It's a module that increases the raw power of your arms, it makes sense that it increases the raw power of your legs. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.10.27 05:00:00 - [15] - Quote How about we split the two. Blue bottles for fisting and yellow bottles for jumps. That or just nerf jumps and leave m+¬l+¬e alone... Hmmm I think am biased on this on XD The most abusive northerner. currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 05:05:00 - [16] - Quote Like I said above you, I'm not down for splitting the properties of the myo. And don't you touch my yellow bottle. I want it to remain mostly useless! Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 05:18:00 - [17] - Quote Needing to navigate the pi+ƒ-poor weapon/equipment HUD pop-up just to jump higher would be, well, poor game design. That damn thing is clunky as hell. I can't think of any Shooter with a jump pack/double jump/jet pack/[other increased jump height thing] that uses anything more than the game's jump button for usage. There are much better solutions to Myofibril issues. They mainly involve: 1) Separate Myos into "Arm" and "Leg" modules 2) Tie Myo jumping into the "X" button press duration 3) Tie Myo jumping into stamina usage 4) Make item 3 contingent upon item 2 Items 2 & 3 (maybe even 4) introduce possible variables, numbers if you will, that could be tweaked upon further. Minotaur Master Race Penetrating humans since ca 84 BCE.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 05:27:00 - [18] - Quote @Vicious Minotaur From a game design perspective in a competitive shooter, making it more obvious to other players that an enemy is about to engage a tool makes sense when trying to build play/counter-play. Under the current mechanics, you have little idea whether someone has myos or not until you engage them and they hop away. Seeing someone swap to the arm up/putton press position is much of an indication that the target is going to jump or engage in melee. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.10.27 06:01:00 - [19] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: @Vicious Minotaur You also have no idea if the enemy you faced is built for regen, damage, biotics, EWAR, etc. You don't know until you shoot them and they duck to cover and are back up to nearly full health. You don't know until they nuke you with weapons that seem to do more damage than usual. You don't know until the enemy runs away behind cover quicker than you can follow. And you'll probably be dead or have an easy +50 for EWAR fits, and even then, you'll probably never truly know. Really, with regards to fits, the only thing you can really know is how many health mods they have, and maybe some equipment. Despite all that, all those "unknowable until they happen" things still allow for healthy counter play. I don't see how Myos are problematic in that specific regard. Minotaur Master Race Penetrating humans since ca 84 BCE.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 06:20:00 - [20] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: You also have no idea if the enemy you faced is built for regen, damage, biotics, EWAR, etc. Fair point. There are some other things that can be addressed from a potential development cost standpoint. Vicious Minotaur wrote: There are much better solutions to Myofibril issues. They mainly involve: 1) Separate Myos into "Arm" and "Leg" modules 2) Tie Myo jumping into the "X" button press duration 3) Tie Myo jumping into stamina usage 4) Make item 3 contingent upon item 2 -Separation of individual "Arm" and "Leg" modules, plus an on-screen tooltip prompt saying "hold and release to jump" requires language localization which cost money and resources that CCP may not be willing to spend on Dust atm. Instead, moving the blue bottle icon down to the EQ slot and copy/pasting current text over doesn't require this localization. -Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, and altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist. -The cloak already affects player attributes, e.g. suit db profile. It may be easier for devs to simply make a cloak, decouple the character mesh alteration, and have it affect jump height and melee power. Rather than making a charge mechanic that affects jump (and how would the charge jump be indicated on the HUD? As stated earlier, affecting hud elements is time consuming for devs). Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.

Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 07:52:00 - [21] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Look, changing the jumping mechanics such that the full jump requires a charge and takes up twice the stamina, while retaining the regular jump and stamina minimizes abuses while still allowing for the extra mobility when wanted. This has been suggested several times by different people and is the best option. Making it EQ is unnecessary, ineloquent, and much more cumbersome. It isn't a good idea. Question. Are you using a gamepad or kb/m as your preferred input? Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 21:36:00 - [22] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: There are some other things that can be addressed from a potential development cost standpoint. Vicious Minotaur wrote: There are much better solutions to Myofibril issues. They mainly involve: 1) Separate Myos into "Arm" and "Leg" modules 2) Tie Myo jumping into the "X" button press duration 3) Tie Myo jumping into stamina usage 4) Make item 3 contingent upon item 2 -Separation of individual "Arm" and "Leg" modules, plus an on-screen tooltip prompt saying "hold and release to jump" requires language localization which cost money and resources that CCP may not be willing to spend on Dust atm. Instead, moving the blue bottle icon down to the EQ slot and copy/pasting current text over doesn't require this localization. -Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, and altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist. -The cloak already affects player attributes, e.g. suit db profile. It may be easier for devs to simply make a cloak, decouple the character mesh alteration, and have it affect jump height and melee power. Rather than making a charge mechanic that affects jump (and how would the charge jump be indicated on the HUD? As stated earlier, affecting hud elements is time consuming for devs). Am I incorrect on these points? Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 22:04:00 - [23] - Quote The tricky thing might be decoupling the invisibility property of the cloak. I wonder if Rattati can fiddle with numbers which drastically increase character mesh shimmer. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 127	Posted - 2015.10.27 22:30:00 - [24] - Quote Why is everyone so hellbent on making this complicated? Keep everything the way it is and add a modifier that adds increasing weapon spread for those who shoot and jump so they won't hit anything farther than 10m away...
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 22:32:00 - [25] - Quote Cesar Geronimo wrote: Why is everyone so hellbent on making this complicated? Keep everything the way it is and add a modifier that adds increasing weapon spread for those who shoot and jump so they won't hit anything farther than 10m away... AOE splash weapons be like Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
A Gentleman Scumbag 15	Posted - 2015.10.27 22:40:00 - [26] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: good luck getting the jump scrubs to agree with you. ...and their forum alts as well. DON'T TOUCH MAH CRUTCH!
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.27 23:12:00 - [27] - Quote Cesar Geronimo wrote: Why is everyone so hellbent on making this complicated? It's really not complicated. This is a possible solution which makes power jump and melee; -a tactical tool -levels disparity between new players and vets in terms of access to map mobility -allows devs to offer different variations of jump height while not having to contend with bugged stacking penalties -can be realistically implemented with a hotfix -eliminates cloak punching by scouts -reigns in the ability of melee commando to spam melee without end while not affecting the balance of other biotic modules--that in turn affect new vs old player power differences. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
A Gentleman Scumbag 16	Posted - 2015.10.28 00:04:00 - [28] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: -Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, and altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist. And how do you know this again?
Not Jadek Menahiem Xer Cloud Consortium 2	Posted - 2015.10.28 00:15:00 - [29] - Quote OP is obviously trying to get super jumps of old back so they can go knifing and remote detonating dropships. GOD. WHO WILL THINK OF THE POOR DROPSHIP PILOTS!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.28 00:23:00 - [30] - Quote Bumping. I approve of this concept. This is similar to the idea I proposed on the community crowdsourcing trello board: https://trello.com/c/ndrbokFX Which was hilariously marked "Already Implemented" by Rattati Making high jumps require a piece of equipment can help prevent the bullshit MD myofibbers while still allowing players to traverse maps easier. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim

Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.10.28 00:56:00 - [31] - Quote The thing is, this very concept was brought up before, specifically this idea, but with a different mechanic in mind. It was an equipment slot jetpack that was literally a jet pack using DS mechanics. When activated, it put you in a third person hub mode, and you could for a time, choose where you flew. No melee punch included. it really didn't need it to make everyone cry foul play. The only reason Jump Mods make sense to me is because you're giving up 3 slots to do it, if anything, there should be an armor reducing penalty put in with the Mifo's. Making it into an equipment instead doesn't really touch upon the issue that it's existence causes incredible lag and issues with rendering that too many players take advantage of. And with the current meta of weapons, getting to high points will just be a more do-all option. I'm just against the existence of anything aiding roof-top-camping until a height limit on Uplinks is placed.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 02:29:00 - [32] - Quote @Shadowed Cola Again, please read the balance factors in the original post. Quote: Balance Factors: -Scouts get a pg fitting bonus to MSDs. -Scouts can fit both a MSD and a cloak thus removing the ability of cloaked super punches from min scouts/ -Logis use their equipment fitting bonus for the MSD -As EQ the MSD gives the logi a buff by allowing them to improve high slot tank or ewar while retaining increased mobility with the MSD to navigate map and lay hives/links. -Assaults and commandos do not get a fitting bonus so they are required to fit pg modules in high slots (similar to myo blue bottles in high slots) in order to fit a MSD while retaining decent fitting space for weapons and low slot modules. -The usefulness of map navigation with a MSD to an assault or commando means they must sacrifice their 1 EQ slot which in the current meta is filled with a scanner, compact nano, allotek nano, or various uplinks. Removing this enhances the support role of logis for their team who may carry multiple equipment in addition a MSD. -Sentinels will continue to not have an EQ slot. All suit tiers would get a jump height buff that allows them to clear rails without a need for modules or EQ. By using the existing cloak activation mechanics (which trigger a timed use of enhanced jump and melee power) there is no need for devs to create a 3rd person jet pack--which as you've highlighted would likely be too taxing on dev resources to build and optimize for the PS3. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 03:53:00 - [33] - Quote Not Jadek Menahiem wrote: OP is obviously trying to get super jumps of old back so they can go knifing and remote detonating dropships. GOD. WHO WILL THINK OF THE POOR DROPSHIP PILOTS! If a saboteur can take down a low flying dropship with knives and good timing, that would make for great video. From another perspective, improved power jumps also assist teams extracting. Imagine a friendly pilot is approaching and the LZ is too hot for a landing extraction. The squad activates their MSDs, launch into the air, and mash circle as they get close to incoming dropship. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Grimm Yin Rogue Instincts Evil Syndicate Alliance. 11	Posted - 2015.10.28 04:25:00 - [34] - Quote I think they just need to do something about the explosive spam, a penalty to damage to mass,plasma, and remotes or something like that, if they have "x" amount of myos on, I myself only use the myos for sniping for traversing.
SILENTSAM 69 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 806	Posted - 2015.10.28 04:32:00 - [35] - Quote Bad idea. It works properly how it is. All your limbs get stronger, legs and arms. There is nothing wrong with people jumping. It has added to the vertical gameplay. It also helps set DUSt apart from other shooters in allowing the most versatile and customizable player types.
SILENTSAM 69 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 806	Posted - 2015.10.28 04:33:00 - [36] - Quote Grimm Yin wrote: I think they just need to do something about the explosive spam, a penalty to damage to mass,plasma, and remotes or something like that, if they have "x" amount of myos on, I myself only use the myos for sniping for traversing. WHy should they restrict this legitimate tactic that helps balance?
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 04:57:00 - [37] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Bad idea. It works properly how it is. All your limbs get stronger, legs and arms. There is nothing wrong with people jumping. It has added to the vertical gameplay. It also helps set DUSt apart from other shooters in allowing the most versatile and customizable player types. You still have lots of vertical gameplay with this--even more so. Let me reiterate once again. Jadek Menaheim wrote: Cesar Geronimo wrote: Why is everyone so hellbent on making this complicated? It's really not complicated. This is a possible solution which makes power jump and melee; -a tactical tool -levels disparity between new players and vets in terms of access to map mobility -allows devs to offer different variations of jump height while not having to contend with bugged stacking penalties -can be realistically implemented with a hotfix -eliminates cloak punching by scouts -reigns in the ability of melee commando to spam melee without end while not affecting the balance of other biotic modules--that in turn affect new vs old player power differences. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
SILENTSAM 69 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 808	Posted - 2015.10.28 05:08:00 - [38] - Quote Oh I get all that. I just think there is no need to change it. It is fine how it is. Making it go in the equipment slot is a big problem though. It prevents people from jumping and shooting. If you eliminate that you take away the fun and the balance. As far as I am concerned Scouts and other non-Heavy classes have always needed some help. WHenever the scouts get something everyone freaks out and demands a nerf. Even the cloak they got hardly cloaks them.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.10.28 05:08:00 - [39] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: I really don't need to convince them. lights a cyno to devs on Skype It bothers me that you feel like you could influence the game just because you skype with the dev's as you so eloquently put it and this also leads me to believe that's why this game is so stagnant as well as issues that help this game remain stagnant , isn't attended to like matchmaking to bring greater balance in pub matches but given attention to " non-issues " that are created by people that really have nothing better to do then mess with mechanics that really don't need screwing with at all . If you or people like yourself , has any influence upon the DEV's in concerns with such then it's safe to say that this game is dead or will die because of the influence of those who hold podcasts or make vids all because of this , instead of a concerted effort and it's no surprise that all those who agree are " friends " of the OP . It's not broke so what needs fixing or better yet why .?. because you've ran bio fits lately .?. Rom ( I forgot how it's spelled , no offense but I'm sure that most of you already knows who I'm talking about ) has been running bio fits for sometime now and if anyone should be consulted it should be him among others who are proliferate in such matters , this just seems like someone who is trying to mold the game into how they want it and if CCP allows this then that's dangerous and foolish , all because you talk to them on skype during podcasts . It's not like this is something that's needed like matchmaking . It's not like bio fits are game breaking . Now I see why players are trying to place limits on spawn placement , your trying to tailor the game into what you want it to be and your saying " screw everyone else " and if CCP condones this then their saying the same and that certain people in the community has control over what happens or what goes on in this game instead of what's best for the game and the community at large . This thread should have been locked right after that statement . The fact that you would boast such is dangerous to the health of the game and the community at large . It leads me to believe that this game is stagnate because of outside intervention such as you yourself mentioned . No one should feel that they have that type of power and CCP should put you in your place for that statement but I'm sure they will not because like you said , all you have to do is talk with them on skype . Thanks for letting me know that you have them in your back pocket , just turns me off even more and leads me to believe that this game is going nowhere . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.10.28 05:25:00 - [40] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Look, changing the jumping mechanics such that the full jump requires a charge and takes up twice the stamina, while retaining the regular jump and stamina minimizes abuses while still allowing for the extra mobility when wanted. This has been suggested several times by different people and is the best option. Making it EQ is unnecessary, ineloquent, and much more cumbersome. It isn't a good idea. Question. Are you using a gamepad or kb/m as your preferred input? DS4 Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 05:49:00 - [41] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Thanks for letting me know that you have them in your back pocket , just turns me off even more and leads me to believe that this game is going nowhere . I've got no one in my pocket. CCP is going to design the game however they see fit. There are many ways to reach out to devs. Dust forums, Twitter, Trello, Reddit, Slack, Skype, IRC, etc. [email protected] https://trello.com/b/8PvubQrN/dust-514-community-crowdsourcing reach out, Devs are people. They are interested in hearing from players who are passionate about games, communities, and building features. If you have something to share, design a proposal and submit it to them. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 05:56:00 - [42] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui, that name sounds familiar. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.28 05:57:00 - [43] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui, that name sounds familiar. *FISTED* Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 06:07:00 - [44] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Making it go in the equipment slot is a big problem though. It prevents people from jumping and shooting. If you eliminate that you take away the fun and the balance. As far as I am concerned Scouts and other non-Heavy classes have always needed some help. WHenever the scouts get something everyone freaks out and demands a nerf. Even the cloak they got hardly cloaks them. The current proposal I've laid out still lets you shoot while in an enhanced jump. You activate the module, press x to jump, tap to swap to your primary and fire while airborne. However, by swapping to your primary from your EQ you deplete any remaining power in the EQ. This means you must wait until the module recharges to at least 50% power until you can use another jump attack/retreat. This makes the jump a calculated tactical tool. New players have access to the same jump height as do veterans. Players who have invested skillpoints in the module have a faster recharge rate. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 09:07:00 - [45] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: It bothers me that you feel like you could influence the game just because you skype with the dev's as you so eloquently put it and this also leads me to believe that's why this game is so stagnant as well as issues that help this game remain stagnant , isn't attended to like matchmaking to bring greater balance in pub matches but given attention to " non-issues " that are created by people that really have nothing better to do then mess with mechanics that really don't need screwing with at all . Speaking of balance, can I get your thoughts on equalizing jump and melee power across tiers (mlt, basic, adv. pro)? OP wrote: This proposal also equalizes jump and melee power across tiers--reducing disparity between new and old players. Players have equal access to jump height, but skill investment into the equipment allows quicker recharge time. Please explain to me how that is a bad thing. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 09:18:00 - [46] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: I can't think of any Shooter with a jump pack/double jump/jet pack/[other increased jump height thing] that uses anything more than the game's jump button for usage. How many shooters out there are like Dust? The modular fitting system makes this game a complex beast to balance. As I've outlined in the OP, moving myo jumping/melee to an active equipment approach help address many balance issues and allows devs to introduce more variations of jumps with reduced development costs (which is a key factor with current team resources). Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 128	Posted - 2015.10.28 12:23:00 - [47] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Cesar Geronimo wrote: Why is everyone so hellbent on making this complicated? Keep everything the way it is and add a modifier that adds increasing weapon spread for those who shoot and jump so they won't hit anything farther than 10m away... AOE splash weapons be like With no accuracy beyond 10m? Maybe if an enemy player is crouched in a corner...
jordy mack WarRavens Imperium Eden 826	Posted - 2015.10.28 12:58:00 - [48] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: If you ( the guy who runs around with equipment in hand punching people to death ) wants this, I have nothing but suspicion if it's coming from you lol. subtle try for a shield buff for jumpy punchers. smooth jadek very smooth... ;) Less QQ more PewPew
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.10.28 13:08:00 - [49] - Quote All I'm saying is that it just seems that you've ran bio suits for a couple of weeks and came to the conclusion of ..... ( meaning whatever your trying to do now ) , which is basically meaningless in an attempt to change something that doesn't need to be changed . They just adjusted the myo's so why would they need to change them more , they just adjusted the sprint mods so why would they need to change them again .?. when you run these items ... your placing yourself at a disadvantage to be able to do something else and now you want to change that for what .?. to be able to not be able to shoot .?. well you can do that when you melee someone anyway so , what needs to be changed . You want to be able to tank and still have the advantage of bio's ? I get it Cat Merc , you play EVE or your a forum warrior but do you even play this game .?. ( if you do , it's not often and without the help of you " friends " so again , why do you people act like you have such an influence over the direction of the game ) you can make all the meme's you want in defense of your friend , that still wont change the fact that you people act like you have weight over the direction of the game and I find that disturbing . There is zero wrong with bio's , you swap something to do something else and that sounds like an even exchange but like the power core idea , it's all to do over nothing with the backing of your " friends " and that to me is a mistake because it's not like you people are tackling real issues like matchmaking , you know ... something that this game desperately needs but yet you spend time on made up issues that really aren't issues at all because CCP just made changes to what your trying to address but it's like , you want it your way so you came up with this proposal and it's not like it's making the experience better because it's fine the way that it is . You people are like the stompers , you don't want real change , you get up on your soap box and make statements about nothing really and truly and you don't want to make a real impact , you just want something and I don't know what that something is but it's not substantial but I guess you just want your name or influence on something because you do podcasts or make vids so you believe that you know better or just have that power of persuasion I suppose . You people want to limit spawn placement because these same squads are just too lazy to change their tactics to address high spawns , you want to screw with bio's when there's nothing wrong with them now and after CCP just made changes to them for the reasons of the community complaining , you people expanded the HAV's weak area's instead of addressing the fact that maybe they just need to revert back to the system of 1.6 and bring back some of the mods that they use to have ( which they said that they were doing as far as the mods ) because you people just can't handle HAV's but you run in squads so you already have the numerical advantage over solo players and speaking of solo players , now you people want to kill the solo game instead of just trying to address the imbalance's of not having a true matchmaking system . CCP allows people like you and your kind to just ruin the game because they listen to you instead of asking the COMMUNITY what they think about issues and what need / should be addressed , it's like you have them meeting in some back room , charting the fate of this game and to me , I find that alarming and dangerous . You want to address something .?. you want to put your " stamp " on something .?. then lead the charge to address the matchmaking situation and I would see the reasoning in that for an instance but to attempt to change something that just doesn't need it because you ran some fits for a couple of months , that just doesn't make sense and even more so after CCP just made changes to what you've highlighted , this leads me to think that your trying to influence the game in the direction that you believe that it should be in and to me , if CCP's allows this , is counterproductive , foolish , braindead and just down right stupid . We are and have a community for a reason and that should be to come to a consorted effort to hash out real issues and not to turn it into some bully pulpit to make the game into what a particular individual wants . You want to address something , address the imbalance and mismatches / mismanagement of the game and fix the mess that has become Dust 514 or do you PC master race / EVE types just want to ruin the game because it's on a console so your willing to do whatever it takes to kill Dust 514 ? Hell to me it's already dead if they allow people like yourself to influence the direction of the game , they say zero about it's future and it's like you people can't wait to feast on it's carcass . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.28 16:00:00 - [50] - Quote there was no need fo rjumping mods. just a charged jump. Hold down X for a brief time and you jumped twice as high for twice the stamina. it'd allow heavies to get over small bumps. problem sorted. Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.28 18:40:00 - [51] - Quote The hell. Shinobi, if you write a Great Wall of Text that could stop the Mongolians, you could at least make it legible. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Immortal John Ripper 29	Posted - 2015.10.28 18:53:00 - [52] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The hell. Shinobi, if you write a Great Wall of Text that could stop the Mongolians, you could at least make it legible. yeah I am not reading that. Someone post a tldr;
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:26:00 - [53] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: You people want to limit spawn placement because these same squads are just too lazy to change their tactics to address high spawns , you want to screw with bio's when there's nothing wrong with them now and after CCP just made changes to them for the reasons of the community complaining , you people expanded the HAV's weak area's instead of addressing the fact that maybe they just need to revert back to the system of 1.6 and bring back some of the mods that they use to have ( which they said that they were doing as far as the mods ) because you people just can't handle HAV's but you run in squads so you already have the numerical advantage over solo players and speaking of solo players , now you people want to kill the solo game instead of just trying to address the imbalance's of not having a true matchmaking system. Sure, there are real issues with matchmaking e.g. veterans being able to smurf into lower mu bracket and academy battles. The devs can commit all the time they have to enhancing an already robust matchmaking system, it's not going to do much difference with very low player counts--whereas a port would likely help in that regard, but that costs money, development resources, and is a risky move (that could blowback if it flounders on PS4/PC) at the moment when CCP as a company is trying to position Valkyrie for the upcoming VR market. Looking at initiatives like the powercore or myo equipment are put forward to realistically improve things like performance with item caching or differences in player power/access to power which are good for the health of the game under the constraints the devs are operating at within on the PS3 ecosystem. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:28:00 - [54] - Quote This is an interesting proposal. All in all I think I like it.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:38:00 - [55] - Quote or even make myos low slots. least that way they can't stack cardiac regulators with them for infinite jump power or kincat melee Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:39:00 - [56] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: there was no need fo rjumping mods. just a charged jump. Hold down X for a brief time and you jumped twice as high for twice the stamina. it'd allow heavies to get over small bumps. problem sorted. -Requiring twice the stamina for power jump further increases the divide between new and old players with access to mobility that allows them to shoot at the same time. Vets will almost always have the combat height advantage over less sp skilled players here. Proto green bottles give you much larger stamina pool and much faster stamina recharge time. -Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, which also requires altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD. These are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist. -The cloak already affects player attributes, e.g. suit db profile. It may be easier for devs to simply make a cloak, decouple the character mesh alteration, and have it affect jump height and melee power for a limited time (e.g. 20 second window). Rather than making a charge mechanic that affects jump (and how would the charge jump be indicated on the HUD? As stated earlier, altering hud elements is time consuming for devs). -We can fix the issues of heavies not being able to jump rails by just buffing base jump height for them without the need for modules or EQ. With the equipment approach players get two options of jump (rather than always on myo modules, which are buggy and clunky when stacking). -Blue bottles in high slots do offer a good balance against offsetting the primary tank of min/caldari slayers and preventing gal/amarr from having jumps plus either a secondary tank or bonus damage. Read the balance factors in the OP on how pg modules take the place of blue bottles. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Immortal John Ripper 29	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:42:00 - [57] - Quote A trampoline type thing would be kinda cool. imagine reaching highspots by jumping on a device. Create pathways for team mates. Although it might nerf that uneasy feeling you get when you are climbing a ladder completely helpless and exposed..
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:43:00 - [58] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: This causes a potential problem with heavies which armor heavies get a huge benefit from jumpy mods by being able to clear a 3 inch curb. Heavies can't fit EQ. Buff heavies base height and add a factor to pure armor plates which reduce jump height. After a threshold of stacking only armor HP mods they won't be able to clear rails anymore. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:46:00 - [59] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: deezy dabest wrote: This causes a potential problem with heavies which armor heavies get a huge benefit from jumpy mods by being able to clear a 3 inch curb. Heavies can't fit EQ. Buff heavies base height and add a factor to pure armor plates which reduce jump height. That just buffs shield heavies who already have more mobility.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:46:00 - [60] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: A trampoline type thing would be kinda cool. imagine reaching highspots by jumping on a device. Create pathways for team mates. Although it might nerf that uneasy feeling you get when you are climbing a ladder completely helpless and exposed.. Sents don't have EQ slots so they would still need to use ladders or vehicle transport reach these vantage points. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.

Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:51:00 - [61] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: deezy dabest wrote: This causes a potential problem with heavies which armor heavies get a huge benefit from jumpy mods by being able to clear a 3 inch curb. Heavies can't fit EQ. Buff heavies base height and add a factor to pure armor plates which reduce jump height. That just buffs shield heavies who already have more mobility. In keeping jump/melee as an equipment, how would you suggest handling heavies who currently don't have an EQ slot? Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.28 19:57:00 - [62] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: or even make myos low slots. least that way they can't stack cardiac regulators with them for infinite jump power or kincat melee So jumpy Min assaults and Gal assaults who can fit myos and damage mods. I see that working out great for CQC mass drivers and plasma rifles. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 00:21:00 - [63] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: All I'm saying is that it just seems that you've ran bio suits for a couple of weeks and came to the conclusion of ..... ( meaning whatever your trying to do now ) , which is basically meaningless in an attempt to change something that doesn't need to be changed. I'd say it's been more than a couple weeks. I whacked you upside the head (in this melee montage) toward the beginning of August. I had been running commando melee builds some time before that--and I continue to run melee brawler fits since then. Safe to say I have experience on the subject of biotic builds. Rattati has demonstrated with his process of hotfixes to the commando and biotic modules, that he has no intention of getting rid of the commando's niche role to wreck everything in CQC (note his decision to allow melee against HAVs in the latest patch). He recognizes that it is a combat counter role for clearing heavies out of entrenched objectives--fostering more fluid play. I am advocating; 1.) that such melee power only have a 20 second window, before having to recharge. i.e. if a heavy/assault/logi/scout can outmaneuver a commando's 1m power punch, they are safe from a 1-2 ohk. 2.) younger skill point players have access to same melee power (both to mount offensives and defend against brawlers), only at slower recharge times. 3.) increase the cost of melee builds that seek to optimize for quicker recharge at adv and pro EQ tiers (more frequent engagement windows). 2228dps for 15k-30k ISK (with other weapons equiped) is on the cheap end for something that can punch continuously. However, if you increase stamina costs, that makes access to proto green bottles mandatory--increasing power potential divides between new and old players. Let's balance around EQ recharge time. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
The Johnny Blaze Nicholas Cage Fighters 19	Posted - 2015.10.29 11:55:00 - [64] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui, that name sounds familiar. *FISTED* #REKT Do you have what it takes to enter the Cage?
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 12:21:00 - [65] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: or even make myos low slots. least that way they can't stack cardiac regulators with them for infinite jump power or kincat melee So jumpy Min assaults and Gal assaults who can fit myos and damage mods. I see that working out great for CQC mass drivers and plasma rifles. yeah true, forgot about DMs always teh first suggestion of just removing the jumping ability and adding in a charged jump. it controls the max height a suit can jump but still allows heavies more mobility for broken models/invisible walls. twice jump height would be more than enough to get over many obstacles while still allowing lighter suits alternate paths over certain walls Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 12:34:00 - [66] - Quote Again, you run into issues with charged jump in Dust. Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: there was no need fo rjumping mods. just a charged jump. Hold down X for a brief time and you jumped twice as high for twice the stamina. it'd allow heavies to get over small bumps. problem sorted. -Requiring twice the stamina for power jump further increases the divide between new and old players with access to mobility that allows them to shoot at the same time. Vets will almost always have the combat height advantage over less sp skilled players here. Proto green bottles give you much larger stamina pool and much faster stamina recharge time. -Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, which also requires altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD. These are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist. -The cloak already affects player attributes, e.g. suit db profile. It may be easier for devs to simply make a cloak, decouple the character mesh alteration, and have it affect jump height and melee power for a limited time (e.g. 20 second window). Rather than making a charge mechanic that affects jump (and how would the charge jump be indicated on the HUD? As stated earlier, altering hud elements is time consuming for devs). -We can fix the issues of heavies not being able to jump rails by just buffing base jump height for them without the need for modules or EQ. With the equipment approach players get two options of jump (rather than always on myo modules, which are buggy and clunky when stacking). -Blue bottles in high slots do offer a good balance against offsetting the primary tank of min/caldari slayers and preventing gal/amarr from having jumps plus either a secondary tank or bonus damage. Read the balance factors in the OP on how pg modules take the place of blue bottles. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 12:58:00 - [67] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Again, you run into issues with charged jump in Dust. Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: there was no need fo rjumping mods. just a charged jump. Hold down X for a brief time and you jumped twice as high for twice the stamina. it'd allow heavies to get over small bumps. problem sorted. -Requiring twice the stamina for power jump further increases the divide between new and old players with access to mobility that allows them to shoot at the same time. Vets will almost always have the combat height advantage over less sp skilled players here. Proto green bottles give you much larger stamina pool and much faster stamina recharge time. -Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, which also requires altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD. These are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist. -The cloak already affects player attributes, e.g. suit db profile. It may be easier for devs to simply make a cloak, decouple the character mesh alteration, and have it affect jump height and melee power for a limited time (e.g. 20 second window). Rather than making a charge mechanic that affects jump (and how would the charge jump be indicated on the HUD? As stated earlier, altering hud elements is time consuming for devs). -We can fix the issues of heavies not being able to jump rails by just buffing base jump height for them without the need for modules or EQ. With the equipment approach players get two options of jump (rather than always on myo modules, which are buggy and clunky when stacking). -Blue bottles in high slots do offer a good balance against offsetting the primary tank of min/caldari slayers and preventing gal/amarr from having jumps plus either a secondary tank or bonus damage. Read the balance factors in the OP on how pg modules take the place of blue bottles. go with the even easier solution then... removal lol then they can just increase base jump height of a heavy suit so they're not caught in traps by bad environment design. The whole jump ability of myos was a nice gimmick, would have been fun for say April fools but its worn thin now and its just simply annoying. we got stuff on and off buildings easily enough for almost 3yrs without super mario mode, no harm in going back Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 13:06:00 - [68] - Quote The intention was for jumps to be a tool that allowed for more fluid movement through maps. I really don't want to go back to a time when we didn't have them. Let's move forward with a way that; -reduces (but does not eliminate) direct combat use. -gives new players more equal footing in being able to reach areas with the same EQ jump height as vets (within respective suit classes). Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 13:30:00 - [69] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: The intention was for jumps to be a tool that allowed for more fluid movement through maps. I really don't want to go back to a time when we didn't have them. Let's move forward with a way that; -reduces (but does not eliminate) direct combat use. -gives new players more equal footing in being able to reach areas with the same EQ jump height as vets (within respective suit classes). restrict it to only being 1 fit at once? they did it with the damage control modules on vehicles so the code to do it is in there somewhere or make the stacking penalty higher to reduce super leapy suits. to get onto really high buildings its not hard to incorporate new ladders, they've proven that on the pipe/spire map when they added ladders on either side, there isn't really such a need for a suit to be jumping so high, fluidity is stopped primarily by railings and small walls, something that scouts could already leap pretty easily so just one boosted myo is plenty to open up enough new areas, leaving ladders and drop ships for the rest and other suits can move more freely with one added myo if they want to prevent being stuck anywhere Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 13:43:00 - [70] - Quote https://youtu.be/hqCR8_E64Vc?t=2m28s Are super jumps really that bad if you can limit/control them sensibly as an activated equipment piece? Staying with the current module version means jump must always be 'on' at a locked in height of the given number of blue bottles you have in your high slots. Go to an equipment version and players now have two options, normal jump height, and activated enhanced jumps. We locked myos to three bottles because with 4 and 5 bottles stacking penalties did not work properly. Move them to a single EQ slot and now the devs can establish a jump height without having to deal with stacking bugs. It's controlled and manageable. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.

Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 14:54:00 - [71] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: https://youtu.be/hqCR8_E64Vc?t=2m28s Are super jumps really that bad if you can limit/control them sensibly as an activated equipment piece? Staying with the current module version means jump must always be 'on' at a locked in height of the given number of blue bottles you have in your high slots. Go to an equipment version and players now have two options, normal jump height, and activated enhanced jumps. We locked myos to three bottles because with 4 and 5 bottles stacking penalties did not work properly. Move them to a single EQ slot and now the devs can establish a jump height without having to deal with stacking bugs. It's controlled and manageable. in a way i could see it working but it'd be a whole lot less work to just remove the jump bonus from myos and buff the base jump of heavy suit lol it was a stupid idea in the first place and its only gotten more ridiculous. leave it for April 1st as a special occassion and try keep dust a little more sensible. we're not 8yr olds dazzled by super jumps and wall running of CoD (or shouldn't be) game worked well enough without them and will work just as well with them removed again Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 15:26:00 - [72] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: in a way i could see it working but it'd be a whole lot less work to just remove the jump bonus from myos and buff the base jump of heavy suit lol it was a stupid idea in the first place and its only gotten more ridiculous. leave it for April 1st as a special occassion and try keep dust a little more sensible. we're not 8yr olds dazzled by super jumps and wall running of CoD (or shouldn't be) game worked well enough without them and will work just as well with them removed again How it worked in the past. Team A: Gets dropship to small rooftop without ladders first. Glitches links and forge gunners spawn in. Team B: Is boned. Denied access to fly in because of AV. Match stagnates as Team A holds superior position to feed players to objectives. Team B pushed out of city and redlined. Going back to a system where the match can be decided by who rushes in with the dropship first is not progress. There's a lot of problems with Dust's maps. Jump tools offer a way to open up map access. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 15:27:00 - [73] - Quote Adding more ladders won't fix **** and requires client patches to bake them into the maps. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 17:35:00 - [74] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: in a way i could see it working but it'd be a whole lot less work to just remove the jump bonus from myos and buff the base jump of heavy suit lol it was a stupid idea in the first place and its only gotten more ridiculous. leave it for April 1st as a special occassion and try keep dust a little more sensible. we're not 8yr olds dazzled by super jumps and wall running of CoD (or shouldn't be) game worked well enough without them and will work just as well with them removed again How it worked in the past. Team A: Gets dropship to small rooftop without ladders first. Glitches links and forge gunners spawn in. Team B: Is boned. Denied access to fly in because of AV. Match stagnates as Team A holds superior position to feed players to objectives. Team B pushed out of city and redlined. Going back to a system where the match can be decided by who rushes in with the dropship first is not progress. There's a lot of problems with Dust's maps. Jump tools offer a way to open up map access. how it is now. scrubs fit jumpers and spam s**t out of MD's. team gets bored and leaves battle. any of the buildings that DS drop FG'ers on still require a ship to get to, you can't jump onto them to combat forge gunners, the smarter ones of us got snipers on other buildings. the 2400 flux goes through buildings so no more uplink glitched in walls CCP have fixed most of the issues of rooftop camping without the need for silly jumping. there will always be roof camping. look at caldari facility with the rafters. one team gets on rafters or above 'A '(dom) spam MDs and do nothing else. The train hangar map. point gets captured, red team spends rest of game spamming MD's Killbox room with the chimney, team captures point other team spams MD. the issue of rooftop camping isn't the jump mods or dropships. its bad level design that allows it to happen. all the jump ability allows is a cheap playing tactic that 90% of the players are bored of and the other 10% are the ones using it who are 10-11yrs olds who still think its 'fun' and 'cool' to do, so YOLO. the super jump was a fun idea on the test server that shouldn't have made it to tranquility and should just be taken out again. Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 17:59:00 - [75] - Quote ...le sigh. -Jump equipment takes weapons out of the hands of jumpers (reduces jumpy mass driver spam). -Mass drivers are weapons designed to be fired down on targets from a high vantage point. Working as intended. -Power jumps as equipment allow ccp devs to introduce higher jump variants (possibly 'single use' variants, e.g. small activation window with very long 40sec-1 minute recharge times that allow a merc to scale a building in a single bound--using some combination of biotics and inertia inversion tech.) Long Term Thoughts -Phase Out Individual Uplink Use -Place greater emphasis on vehicles (mainly dropships) as spawn platforms and distance transport people movers. -Specialized jump equipment used as navigating almost anywhere vertically within small horizontal reach. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Not Jadek Menahiem Xer Cloud Consortium 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 18:18:00 - [76] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: ...le sigh. -Jump equipment takes weapons out of the hands of jumpers (reduces jumpy mass driver spam). -Mass drivers are weapons designed to be fired down on targets from a high vantage point. Working as intended. -Power jumps as equipment allow ccp devs to introduce higher jump variants (possibly 'single use' variants, e.g. small activation window with very long 40sec-1 minute recharge times that allow a merc to scale a building in a single bound--using some combination of biotics and inertia inversion tech.) Long Term Thoughts -Phase Out Individual Uplink Use -Place greater emphasis on vehicles (mainly dropships) as spawn platforms and distance transport people movers. -Specialized jump equipment used as navigating almost anywhere vertically within small horizontal reach. OP still has me convinced they are attempting to come up with a scheme whereby CCP is convinced a super fly scout jumping onto a dropship with knives and remotes explosives is a good thing for the health of the game.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 19:12:00 - [77] - Quote I guess as a Sentinel I will be out of luck then. I guess I am back to getting stuck in rough terrain and getting trapped at spawn points I can't get out of. (Their are even autospawn points in some Ambush maps that will trap a Sentinel.) If you are going to take away our Jump Mods, could Sentinels perhaps get slightly more native jump height so we don't get stuck so often? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Avallo Kantor 945	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:07:00 - [78] - Quote Why not just give Myo's an increase to stamina consumed on jump / melee attack to counter balance it's benefit? I.e you may jump 3x as high, but jump consumes 2.5x as much stamina. That way you can still use the powerful abilities, just not spam them... unless you further specialize yourself with additional green drugs. (And honestly a full pill / drug fit should be viable imo as a "speed tanking" fit) "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:27:00 - [79] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I guess as a Sentinel I will be out of luck then. I guess I am back to getting stuck in rough terrain and getting trapped at spawn points I can't get out of. (Their are even autospawn points in some Ambush maps that will trap a Sentinel.) If you are going to take away our Jump Mods, could Sentinels perhaps get slightly more native jump height so we don't get stuck so often? Fox, already covered in this section of the 1st post. Quote: Balance Factors: -Scouts get a pg fitting bonus to MSDs. -Scouts can fit both a MSD and a cloak thus removing the ability of cloaked super punches from min scouts/ -Logis use their equipment fitting bonus for the MSD -As EQ the MSD gives the logi a buff by allowing them to improve high slot tank or ewar while retaining increased mobility with the MSD to navigate map and lay hives/links. -Assaults and commandos do not get a fitting bonus so they are required to fit pg modules in high slots (similar to myo blue bottles in high slots) in order to fit a MSD while retaining decent fitting space for weapons and low slot modules. -The usefulness of map navigation with a MSD to an assault or commando means they must sacrifice their 1 EQ slot which in the current meta is filled with a scanner, compact nano, allotek nano, or various uplinks. Removing this enhances the support role of logis for their team who may carry multiple equipment in addition a MSD. -Sentinels will continue to not have an EQ slot. All suit tiers would get a jump height buff that allows them to clear rails without a need for modules or EQ. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:32:00 - [80] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Why not just give Myo's an increase to stamina consumed on jump / melee attack to counter balance it's benefit? I.e you may jump 3x as high, but jump consumes 2.5x as much stamina. That way you can still use the powerful abilities, just not spam them... unless you further specialize yourself with additional green drugs. (And honestly a full pill / drug fit should be viable imo as a "speed tanking" fit) This creates further power divides between new and old players. Will paste this here again. Jadek Menaheim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: there was no need fo rjumping mods. just a charged jump. Hold down X for a brief time and you jumped twice as high for twice the stamina. it'd allow heavies to get over small bumps. problem sorted. -Requiring twice the stamina for power jump further increases the divide between new and old players with access to mobility that allows them to shoot at the same time. Vets will almost always have the combat height advantage over less sp skilled players here. Proto green bottles give you much larger stamina pool and much faster stamina recharge time. -Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, which also requires altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD. These are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist. -The cloak already affects player attributes, e.g. suit db profile. It may be easier for devs to simply make a cloak, decouple the character mesh alteration, and have it affect jump height and melee power for a limited time (e.g. 20 second window). Rather than making a charge mechanic that affects jump (and how would the charge jump be indicated on the HUD? As stated earlier, altering hud elements is time consuming for devs). -We can fix the issues of heavies not being able to jump rails by just buffing base jump height for them without the need for modules or EQ. With the equipment approach players get two options of jump (rather than always on myo modules, which are buggy and clunky when stacking). -Blue bottles in high slots do offer a good balance against offsetting the primary tank of min/caldari slayers and preventing gal/amarr from having jumps plus either a secondary tank or bonus damage. Read the balance factors in the OP on how pg modules take the place of blue bottles. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.

Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:36:00 - [81] - Quote @Avallo Kantor As I've also said many times before, keeping jump height locked into the high slot module system is too clunky. -It prevents devs from introducing new jump height options as stacking penalties become an issue. -It is always on. Moving to an activated equipment approach lets players use normal jumps and enhanced jumps. ________________________________________________ Before someone says something else about assaults being too powerful if we remove blue bottles from high slots allowing them to add additional shield tank or damage mods...STOP, and please read the balance section. Quote: Balance Factors: -Scouts get a pg fitting bonus to MSDs. -Scouts can fit both a MSD and a cloak thus removing the ability of cloaked super punches from min scouts/ -Logis use their equipment fitting bonus for the MSD -As EQ the MSD gives the logi a buff by allowing them to improve high slot tank or ewar while retaining increased mobility with the MSD to navigate map and lay hives/links. -Assaults and commandos do not get a fitting bonus so they are required to fit pg modules in high slots (similar to myo blue bottles in high slots) in order to fit a MSD while retaining decent fitting space for weapons and low slot modules. -The usefulness of map navigation with a MSD to an assault or commando means they must sacrifice their 1 EQ slot which in the current meta is filled with a scanner, compact nano, allotek nano, or various uplinks. Removing this enhances the support role of logis for their team who may carry multiple equipment in addition a MSD. -Sentinels will continue to not have an EQ slot. All suit tiers would get a jump height buff that allows them to clear rails without a need for modules or EQ. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Koch Rosenzweig b.l.u.e s.t.a.r 856	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:38:00 - [82] - Quote Fix the frame rate first "There is no dishonor in losing the race. There is only dishonor in not racing because you are afraid to lose.GÇ¥
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:40:00 - [83] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: Fix the frame rate first Nice edit about high slot tanking. I was going to harp on someone for not reading the damned proposal for the 15th time. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
jett it Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 513	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:42:00 - [84] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: @Avallo Kantor As I've also said many times before, keeping jump height locked into the high slot module system is too clunky. -It prevents devs from introducing new jump height options as stacking penalties become an issue. -It is always on. Moving to an activated equipment approach lets players use normal jumps and enhanced jumps. I really like the idea, like really like it. But I think ccp said when the jump mods came out the sole purpose of them was for heavies to be able to have a little more access to the structure such as jumping over railings and up little curbs and stuff that they couldn't normally do. With that being said where does that leave heavies, with no equipment slots ccp's initial thoughts and plans are thrown out the window. Also I did not have time to read this massive thread so if someone has already explained about this or came up with a solution please forgive me. jettGaming - Youtube
Koch Rosenzweig b.l.u.e s.t.a.r 856	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:43:00 - [85] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Koch Rosenzweig wrote: Fix the frame rate first Nice edit about high slot tanking. I was going to harp on someone for not reading the damned proposal for the 15th time. Yeah, read it at time sorry xd "There is no dishonor in losing the race. There is only dishonor in not racing because you are afraid to lose.GÇ¥
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:44:00 - [86] - Quote @jett it Ow my heart...please read the bottom of this post. It was just asked, and the answer has always been in the original post. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3012654#post3012654 Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
jett it Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 513	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:55:00 - [87] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: @jett it Ow my heart...please read the bottom of this post. It was just asked, and the answer has always been in the original post. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3012654#post3012654 Gotcha. Thx. jettGaming - Youtube
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.31 01:54:00 - [88] - Quote @Nirwanda Vaughns Killing is just a means of communication. I got your message team killer scrub. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 03:59:00 - [89] - Quote Still looking for input and feedback on this. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 836	Posted - 2015.11.03 10:34:00 - [90] - Quote Sooooo, I won't be able to do a 180 Plasma Cannon Jump Shot on a Heavy's face... get looooooost. No Frisky Flying Forger either, jumping over a railing while simultaneously landing an Ishukone Assault Forge shot mid flight dirrectly between the eyes.. OoooOOOOoo What a feeling... Way to ruin the fun Jadek... like really. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!

Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 11:14:00 - [91] - Quote ROMULUS H3X wrote: READS MORE Oh gosh... it gets worse.... I won't even be able to jump/punch on my assault even if I wanted too... Need to stack PGS modules in the HIghs to even use it? All because you want to prevent dual stacking? How about, nope? Just leave them as they are... there really is no problem with the way things are fit right now. That's already the case. High slots are currently taken up by blue bottles. As for the 180 no-scope jump you can still do that. Process of a tactical tool > Grab myo equipment > activate > swap to weapon mid jump > turn 180 > lights out on that sucka with your sKILLz as a based xXxMLG 420xXx G0D. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 837	Posted - 2015.11.03 12:17:00 - [92] - Quote How about the Forge Jump shots though? FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 12:29:00 - [93] - Quote ROMULUS H3X wrote: How about the Forge Jump shots though? You know I enjoy doing that too. And I've said in the OP for a while now that we should buff Heavy jump height so they can clear rails without the need moduels or EQ. Or one new possibility, heavies can fit limited types of EQ--including this jump EQ (however, this option leaves the scope of something Devs can hotfix into the game). Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 15:51:00 - [94] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Doesn't mean that said piece of equipment is necessarily the best way to go about it, but I do think the idea is worth exploring, if for nothing else to reduce the usability of super bunny hopping as a combat tool as opposed to a tactical one. Yep, base height for heavies needs to be looked at before going to an EQ option. I'm pushing for the EQ option as it appears like the least resource demanding task on the devs. -Addition of a display for a charge jump mechanic (which does not exist in a current iteration) involves messing with the HUD (a thing Rattati has said is a pain in the ass to do as elements are baked in). -Language localization explaining a charge jump as an on-screen tool tip would cost time and money. -The cloak device (which the Myo EQ is modeled after) already affects character stats upon activation (the players dropsuit db profile). It may be very possible to change other character stats via the the existing cloak device. -This change may realistically be done with a hotfix instead of a client side patch which has to go through sony QA, and requires additional time and money of CCP. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 16:26:00 - [95] - Quote Updated OP with more concise outline. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Seems Good We Can Trust Them 665	Posted - 2015.11.10 03:37:00 - [96] - Quote Seems Good.
Thexan Valkorian Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2015.11.10 04:23:00 - [97] - Quote If you dislike the idea of Moonwalkers hitting you in the face with explosives than the solution would be to prevent them from using it if the Myo is equip. But that is a terrible idea because Explosive weapons work best with Myo. I reckon it stays the way it is, it was already nerfed unnecessarily. If you stack more than 3 on you than your suit gets damage. Hitting them a few times and Walker dies on impact with the ground. But now we cannot have that. I personal hated the idea, saw a vid on how cool it looked and the amount of damage you get from it made the Myo balance. 3 is enough for them to not die. All you need is 2-3 complex Myo to track one that uses 4-5. The problem... a lot of players are terrible shots Of course the ruler- "I have the high ground, Ergo I win" Rule only works if some distance is applied. Its really easy to tell where they will land and kill them. I Believe In The Democratization Of Fear.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.11.16 08:56:00 - [98] - Quote Thexan, what are you thoughts on the Devs being able to offer more variations of jump height and melee power by going to a single equipment system that is not plagued by issues with stacking bonuses. Jadek Menaheim wrote: -By condensing blue bottles into a single module devs can offer variations that offer greater jump power vs less punch power and visa-versa. Additionally, with the single module we won't likely run into the bizarre stacking issue which occurred with 4 and 5 myofibiril stims when jump enhancement were introduced. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Thexan Valkorian Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.11.19 16:35:00 - [99] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Thexan, what are you thoughts on the Devs being able to offer more variations of jump height and melee power by going to a single equipment system that is not plagued by issues with stacking bonuses. Jadek Menaheim wrote: -By condensing blue bottles into a single module devs can offer variations that offer greater jump power vs less punch power and visa-versa. Additionally, with the single module we won't likely run into the bizarre stacking issue which occurred with 4 and 5 myofibiril stims when jump enhancement were introduced. Sounds smart Another solution would be to have every suit capable of jumping a building/Stucture by holding X for 5-12sec. Cannot run Allowed to move by walking motion or crouch motion. Must uncrouch to jump Remove ladders or have an electronic force field generated around it so you cannot be shot from afar by lower weapons Ladders make you vulnerable Force field can be penetrated by sniper rifle I Believe In The Democratization Of Fear.
Thexan Valkorian Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.11.19 16:40:00 - [100] - Quote Sniper rifle Force gun Tank But the damage is lessen Back to jumper super jump 3-4 sec Building jump 5-12sec That is all Single mod is okay as long someone does not go overboard. I Believe In The Democratization Of Fear.

V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 83	Posted - 2015.11.19 17:06:00 - [101] - Quote I like the idea with timer but full stamina drain after one jump i would like more. Making extra EQ for jumps...Than u can officially rename this game to Dust Bunnies. They better add some new EQ instead. "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack. o7
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.05 23:56:00 - [102] - Quote V1RONXSS wrote: I like the idea with timer but full stamina drain after one jump i would like more. Making extra EQ for jumps...Than u can officially rename this game to Dust Bunnies. They better add some new EQ instead. That still puts more power into the hands of vets who have their biotic skill tree unlocked. Issue: 1. Compared to new player, vet with biotic tree unlocked has faster stamina regen = shorter interval between full stamina draining jumps. 2. Super clunky having to require a FULL stamina drain to jump. Even sprinting a little or punching someone will put you in a place where the 'x' button doesn't appear to work for jumps. People may think this is a glitch if it's not properly explained. 3. Players still have a gun in their hand and access to a weapon. 4. Having a player pull out EQ to jump allows opponent ability to read that they are likely going to initiate a tactical jump. More balanced gameplay. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
benandjerrys Vader's-Fist The Empire of New Eden 1	Posted - 2015.12.06 03:24:00 - [103] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: I really don't need to convince them. lights a cyno to devs on Skype Are we the only ones that have ever lit off a cyno? Free isk! (comment with in game name) #portdust514
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.06 17:49:00 - [104] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: V1RONXSS wrote: I like the idea with timer but full stamina drain after one jump i would like more. Making extra EQ for jumps...Than u can officially rename this game to Dust Bunnies. They better add some new EQ instead. That still puts more power into the hands of vets who have their biotic skill tree unlocked. Issue: 1. Compared to new player, vet with biotic tree unlocked has faster stamina regen = shorter interval between full stamina draining jumps. 2. Super clunky having to require a FULL stamina drain to jump. Even sprinting a little or punching someone will put you in a place where the 'x' button doesn't appear to work for jumps. People may think this is a glitch if it's not properly explained. 3. Players still have a gun in their hand and access to a weapon. 4. Having a player pull out EQ to jump allows opponent ability to read that they are likely going to initiate a tactical jump. More balanced gameplay. I came across one issue with making the jump module a piece of equipment and that issue is with Sentinels not having an equipment slot. I remember one of the complaints from the community in the past were people not being able to walk up over a 12 inch step in a Sentinel Suit. Unless an equipment slot is added to all Sentinel Dropsuits the Sentinel is back to where they were before. Now what I wonder is how many people actually equip a Myofib Module to a Sentinel Dropsuit for mobility purposes? If it is not a common thing then the Sentinel Dropsuit not having an equipment slot might not be an issue.
DozersMouse XIII Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.12.06 18:56:00 - [105] - Quote I think jump and melee should be 2 different modules Some people want the melee damage without the jump The way they are now just makes them too powerful Having almost the damage of a core locus every punch Plus the mobility is just too much I feel like if melee and jump were separated It would make for more options and balance The myro's in one easy change You either get mobility or melee damage opposed to getting both with the one module addicted to the Kubo's GMK-16 banana cannon
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.07 22:06:00 - [106] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I came across one issue with making the jump module a piece of equipment and that issue is with Sentinels not having an equipment slot. I remember one of the complaints from the community in the past were people not being able to walk up over a 12 inch step in a Sentinel Suit. Unless an equipment slot is added to all Sentinel Dropsuits the Sentinel is back to where they were before. Now what I wonder is how many people actually equip a Myofib Module to a Sentinel Dropsuit for mobility purposes? If it is not a common thing then the Sentinel Dropsuit not having an equipment slot might not be an issue. This was covered in the first post. Please read the bolded bottom point. Jadek Menaheim wrote: Balance Factors: -Scouts get a pg fitting bonus to MSDs. -Scouts can fit both a MSD and a cloak thus removing the ability of cloaked super punches from min scouts/ -Logis use their equipment fitting bonus for the MSD -As EQ the MSD gives the logi a buff by allowing them to improve high slot tank or ewar while retaining increased mobility with the MSD to navigate map and lay hives/links. -Assaults and commandos do not get a fitting bonus so they are required to fit pg modules in high slots (similar to myo blue bottles in high slots) in order to fit a MSD while retaining decent fitting space for weapons and low slot modules. -The usefulness of map navigation with a MSD to an assault or commando means they must sacrifice their 1 EQ slot which in the current meta is filled with a scanner, compact nano, allotek nano, or various uplinks. Removing this enhances the support role of logis for their team who may carry multiple equipment in addition to a MSD. -Sentinels will continue to not have an EQ slot. All suit tiers would get a jump height buff that allows them to clear rails without a need for modules or EQ. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.12.07 22:13:00 - [107] - Quote How 'bout no and adapt Seriously though why would you want to make it a equipment its a biotic upgrade to your arms and legs deal with it. Its not that hard to kill someone who is jumping..... Im just a glorified blueberry
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.07 22:19:00 - [108] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Having almost the damage of a core locus every punch. Apples to oranges. You can throw a grenade farther than you can throw a 1m range punch. The most powerful melee fits are on commandos which have pretty high db profiles. Moving melee to EQ will also eliminate the issue of cloak punching on scouts. DozersMouse XIII wrote: I think jump and melee should be 2 different modules Some people want the melee damage without the jump. The way they are now just makes them too powerful. As it has been covered many times before, it doesn't make logical sense why you should separate muscle strength enhancing modules. Leg power and arm power are enhanced at the same time, as they should be. People have issue with the always on attribute of myos for jumps. Moving to an 'activated' EQ approach gives people two options for jumps in the same dropsuit. A push-x charged jump has issues which are covered thoroughly in the first post. An 'activated' EQ system for myo power is built on the premise of waves of opportunity. You have a window to use both enhanced jumps and melee power before you have to let the equipment recharge (similar to how the cloak EQ has to recharge to a minimum level before you can reactivate). Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.12.07 22:25:00 - [109] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Defending a stupid module with logic that actually appeals to me. Well I never Jadek. You have ascended to being my favourite forum poster ever. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.07 22:25:00 - [110] - Quote Golden Day wrote: How 'bout no and adapt Seriously though why would you want to make it a equipment its a biotic upgrade to your arms and legs deal with it. Its not that hard to kill someone who is jumping..... Well that's super constructive mate. Thanks. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.

Golden Day Corrosive Synergy RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.12.07 22:34:00 - [111] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Golden Day wrote: How 'bout no and adapt Seriously though why would you want to make it a equipment its a biotic upgrade to your arms and legs deal with it. Its not that hard to kill someone who is jumping..... Well that's super constructive mate. Thanks. Everyone knows how glorious I am for my constructive post Anyway this thread makes me cringe hard... Im just a glorified blueberry
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.07 22:40:00 - [112] - Quote @Golden Day If you're not going to elaborate, I do thank you for the topic bump. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 459	Posted - 2015.12.07 23:39:00 - [113] - Quote join necrom0ngers Object of war is not2 die 4ur country murder bastard 4 his
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.12.07 23:41:00 - [114] - Quote Golden Day wrote: How 'bout no and adapt Seriously though why would you want to make it a equipment its a biotic upgrade to your arms and legs deal with it. Its not that hard to kill someone who is jumping..... How exactly have you adapted and at what skill level of players have you adapted to? This past weekend in FW I faced off against a couple of jumpy Fatal Absolution members that I am 100% positive would destroy you if you tried to go up against them. Please provide us with a summary of your strategy for combating jumpy people. Also, are you one of the jumpy people?
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.08 00:09:00 - [115] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: join necrom0ngers join Manfister United F.C. I hear it is the premier fisting club in New Eden. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.12.08 02:53:00 - [116] - Quote Or just do it like this. Take the jump height of a cal heavy with 3 proto myos,assign that height to a single myo,then make the stack penalty for jump height 100% percent(making possible to just include one module and be able to jump without sacrificing damage mods,sheild regen,sheild tank) so when any heavy equips one myo,they get the jump height of three of them at the same tier. Assaults get their myos compressed to only 1.5 of the triple stacked proto myo height in one module. Scouts get a little more or less(since I never ran scouts with myos.) Tldr Compress the jump bonus of three myos into one myo and max the jump bonus stack penalty to 100%.(so all you need is one myo to jump high but can't stack them for insane heights) Tones down the super jumping without screwing around and nerfing it to the ground. Also rebalances myos as more heavy friendly modules Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.08 14:17:00 - [117] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Or just do it like this. Take the jump height of a cal heavy with 3 proto myos,assign that height to a single myo,then make the stack penalty for jump height 100% percent(making possible to just include one module and be able to jump without sacrificing damage mods,sheild regen,sheild tank) so when any heavy equips one myo,they get the jump height of three of them at the same tier. Assaults get their myos compressed to only 1.5 of the triple stacked proto myo height in one module. Scouts get a little more or less(since I never ran scouts with myos.) Tldr Compress the jump bonus of three myos into one myo and max the jump bonus stack penalty to 100%.(so all you need is one myo to jump high but can't stack them for insane heights) Tones down the super jumping without screwing around and nerfing it to the ground. Also rebalances myos as more heavy friendly modules Yes, it reigns in some of the issue of hit detection breaking within CQC when a player can have both a gun out AND have on demand jumps. It still brings us backward in many ways when removing map mobility (which I want to preserve and enhance jump height ONLY when player's ability to hold a ranged weapon is not an option because they are holding 'active' equipment to power those super jumps). Personally, I would opt to rename this single module to Inertia Burst and remove punching power (that is if we are not buffing the base jump height of sentinels). Myofirbiril EQ would still be implemented in this case. Combined with Inertia Burst, Myo EQ would further enhance jumping ability to navigate the map (and provide supercharged melee power, which the Inertia Burst doesn't provide) all within a 20 sec window of operation. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.09 23:58:00 - [118] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Also, are you one of the jumpy people? Spotted the jumper. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Refreak 44 DEPT OF CORRUPTION The Empire of New Eden 30	Posted - 2015.12.10 00:45:00 - [119] - Quote What I'm getting from this is that you want to remove blue bottles and replace them with equipment. In addition, the main problem I have with this (If you do want to replace them) is changing the melee. I really don't want this as a cooldown would greatly affect melee. Melee specialized suits sacrifice quite a bit to get that punch in with all the hit detection issues so there's already risk in using it. Even more so, suits belonging to the Cladari are already sacrificing their main source of health to smash someone with the force of an LAV. They, particularly the Calmmando are pretty much glass cannons. In addition, we need to be stupid close to smash them so there's even more risk when running up to someone. Range, scans, weapons like the shotgun, stamina, hitboxes, health, there are already problems trying to hit someone. Couple that with a cooldown after spamming and melee no longer becomes viable. Now, as for the jumping issue, I also don't like the idea of making them equipment but I do believe that the jump bonus should be removed from the blue bottles. They were originally give the bonus to let heavies jump that extra inch so instead, I thing heavy frames should just get a higher jump. I mean, the damn thing is an exoskeleton. A heavy one, I know, but this is future technology so shouldn't exoskeletons give a regular jump at least regardless of weight? They already have to deal with that pitifully low stamina. \o/
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.10 01:03:00 - [120] - Quote It's a 20 second window. Speaking from experience you can do a lot of damage in 20 seconds. The cooldown just creates understood waves of opportunities to combat these melee beasts in CQC. https://youtu.be/b9QL5vRF5FQ?t=18s -I am already advocating for a base jump height buff to all frames (heavies particularly) so they can clear rails. -Increased mobility with myos help address a lot of issues with poor Dust map design/balance; however, increased vertical mobility with a weapon out is clearly an issue in terms of breaking CQC hit detection. Moving Myos to equipment gets a ranged weapon out of peoples' hands and preserves the benefit of map mobility. -CCP Devs are stymied by the module stacking system when it comes to introducing variations of jumps. By condensing blue bottles into a single module devs can offer variations that offer greater jump power vs less punch power and visa-versa. Additionally, with the single module we won't likely run into the bizarre stacking issue which occurred with 4 and 5 myofibiril stims when jump enhancement were introduced. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.12.10 01:12:00 - [121] - Quote The O.P. has merit. Here is also an another way to tune down the jumpy combat ablility, maybe not as harsh: Jump charge meter to determine the jump height, noticable with stacked myofibs. KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading. Search "KEROSKIN" for list of skins for sale!
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 8	Posted - 2015.12.10 01:49:00 - [122] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: The O.P. has merit. Here is also an another way to tune down the jumpy combat ablility, maybe not as harsh: Jump charge meter to determine the jump height, noticable with stacked myofibs. As you note, coding is going to be one of the cons for a charge jump. Jadek Menaheim first post wrote: -Addition of a display for a charge jump mechanic (which does not exist in a current iteration) involves messing with the HUD (a thing Rattati has said is a pain in the ass to do as elements are baked in). -Language localization explaining a charge jump as an on-screen tool tip would cost time and money. However, there may be room here to have both a charge mechanic for regular jumps (with myo taken out of high slots) and enhanced super jumps/melee with active charge EQ. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.12.10 02:06:00 - [123] - Quote Jadek Menaheim first post wrote: good comments Thanks for comments. I replied in my thread (so not to spoil this jump equipment thread) KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading. Search "KEROSKIN" for list of skins for sale!


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