That just buffs shield heavies who already have more mobility.

or even make myos low slots. least that way they can't stack cardiac regulators with them for infinite jump power or kincat melee

All I'm saying is that it just seems that you've ran bio suits for a couple of weeks and came to the conclusion of ..... ( meaning whatever your trying to do now ) , which is basically meaningless in an attempt to change something that doesn't need to be changed.

So jumpy Min assaults and Gal assaults who can fit myos and damage mods. I see that working out great for CQC mass drivers and plasma rifles.

-Requiring twice the stamina for power jump further increases the divide between new and old players with access to mobility that allows them to shoot at the same time. Vets will almost always have the combat height advantage over less sp skilled players here. Proto green bottles give you much larger stamina pool and much faster stamina recharge time.

-Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, which also requires altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD. These are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist.

-The cloak already affects player attributes, e.g. suit db profile. It may be easier for devs to simply make a cloak, decouple the character mesh alteration, and have it affect jump height and melee power for a limited time (e.g. 20 second window). Rather than making a charge mechanic that affects jump (and how would the charge jump be indicated on the HUD? As stated earlier, altering hud elements is time consuming for devs).

-We can fix the issues of heavies not being able to jump rails by just buffing base jump height for them without the need for modules or EQ. With the equipment approach players get two options of jump (rather than always on myo modules, which are buggy and clunky when stacking).

-Blue bottles in high slots do offer a good balance against offsetting the primary tank of min/caldari slayers and preventing gal/amarr from having jumps plus either a secondary tank or bonus damage. Read the balance factors in the OP on how pg modules take the place of blue bottles.

Again, you run into issues with charged jump in Dust.

The intention was for jumps to be a tool that allowed for more fluid movement through maps. I really don't want to go back to a time when we didn't have them.

Let's move forward with a way that;
-reduces (but does not eliminate) direct combat use.
-gives new players more equal footing in being able to reach areas with the same EQ jump height as vets (within respective suit classes).

https://youtu.be/hqCR8_E64Vc?t=2m28s

Are super jumps really that bad if you can limit/control them sensibly as an activated equipment piece?

Staying with the current module version means jump must always be 'on' at a locked in height of the given number of blue bottles you have in your high slots. Go to an equipment version and players now have two options, normal jump height, and activated enhanced jumps.

We locked myos to three bottles because with 4 and 5 bottles stacking penalties did not work properly. Move them to a single EQ slot and now the devs can establish a jump height without having to deal with stacking bugs. It's controlled and manageable.

in a way i could see it working but it'd be a whole lot less work to just remove the jump bonus from myos and buff the base jump of heavy suit lol
it was a stupid idea in the first place and its only gotten more ridiculous. leave it for April 1st as a special occassion and try keep dust a little more sensible. we're not 8yr olds dazzled by super jumps and wall running of CoD (or shouldn't be) game worked well enough without them and will work just as well with them removed again

How it worked in the past.

Team A: Gets dropship to small rooftop without ladders first. Glitches links and forge gunners spawn in.

Team B: Is boned. Denied access to fly in because of AV. Match stagnates as Team A holds superior position to feed players to objectives. Team B pushed out of city and redlined.

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Going back to a system where the match can be decided by who rushes in with the dropship first is not progress. There's a lot of problems with Dust's maps. Jump tools offer a way to open up map access.

...le sigh.

-Jump equipment takes weapons out of the hands of jumpers (reduces jumpy mass driver spam).
-Mass drivers are weapons designed to be fired down on targets from a high vantage point. Working as intended.
-Power jumps as equipment allow ccp devs to introduce higher jump variants (possibly 'single use' variants, e.g. small activation window with very long 40sec-1 minute recharge times that allow a merc to scale a building in a single bound--using some combination of biotics and inertia inversion tech.)

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Long Term Thoughts
-Phase Out Individual Uplink Use
-Place greater emphasis on vehicles (mainly dropships) as spawn platforms and distance transport people movers.
-Specialized jump equipment used as navigating almost anywhere vertically within small horizontal reach.

I guess as a Sentinel I will be out of luck then. I guess I am back to getting stuck in rough terrain and getting trapped at spawn points I can't get out of. (Their are even autospawn points in some Ambush maps that will trap a Sentinel.)

If you are going to take away our Jump Mods, could Sentinels perhaps get slightly more native jump height so we don't get stuck so often?

Balance Factors:

-Scouts get a pg fitting bonus to MSDs.
-Scouts can fit both a MSD and a cloak thus removing the ability of cloaked super punches from min scouts/

-Logis use their equipment fitting bonus for the MSD
-As EQ the MSD gives the logi a buff by allowing them to improve high slot tank or ewar while retaining increased mobility with the MSD to navigate map and lay hives/links.

-Assaults and commandos do not get a fitting bonus so they are required to fit pg modules in high slots (similar to myo blue bottles in high slots) in order to fit a MSD while retaining decent fitting space for weapons and low slot modules.
-The usefulness of map navigation with a MSD to an assault or commando means they must sacrifice their 1 EQ slot which in the current meta is filled with a scanner, compact nano, allotek nano, or various uplinks. Removing this enhances the support role of logis for their team who may carry multiple equipment in addition a MSD.

-Sentinels will continue to not have an EQ slot. All suit tiers would get a jump height buff that allows them to clear rails without a need for modules or EQ.

Why not just give Myo's an increase to stamina consumed on jump / melee attack to counter balance it's benefit?

I.e you may jump 3x as high, but jump consumes 2.5x as much stamina.

That way you can still use the powerful abilities, just not spam them... unless you further specialize yourself with additional green drugs. (And honestly a full pill / drug fit should be viable imo as a "speed tanking" fit)

-Requiring twice the stamina for power jump further increases the divide between new and old players with access to mobility that allows them to shoot at the same time. Vets will almost always have the combat height advantage over less sp skilled players here. Proto green bottles give you much larger stamina pool and much faster stamina recharge time.

-Adding a 'hold x to jump tool tip' requires localization, which also requires altering the baked in Scaleform UI elements of the HUD. These are very unwieldy to work with in Dust according to devs. With the cloak equipment, its icons already exist.

-The cloak already affects player attributes, e.g. suit db profile. It may be easier for devs to simply make a cloak, decouple the character mesh alteration, and have it affect jump height and melee power for a limited time (e.g. 20 second window). Rather than making a charge mechanic that affects jump (and how would the charge jump be indicated on the HUD? As stated earlier, altering hud elements is time consuming for devs).

-We can fix the issues of heavies not being able to jump rails by just buffing base jump height for them without the need for modules or EQ. With the equipment approach players get two options of jump (rather than always on myo modules, which are buggy and clunky when stacking).

-Blue bottles in high slots do offer a good balance against offsetting the primary tank of min/caldari slayers and preventing gal/amarr from having jumps plus either a secondary tank or bonus damage. Read the balance factors in the OP on how pg modules take the place of blue bottles.

Balance Factors:

-Scouts get a pg fitting bonus to MSDs.
-Scouts can fit both a MSD and a cloak thus removing the ability of cloaked super punches from min scouts/

-Logis use their equipment fitting bonus for the MSD
-As EQ the MSD gives the logi a buff by allowing them to improve high slot tank or ewar while retaining increased mobility with the MSD to navigate map and lay hives/links.

-Assaults and commandos do not get a fitting bonus so they are required to fit pg modules in high slots (similar to myo blue bottles in high slots) in order to fit a MSD while retaining decent fitting space for weapons and low slot modules.
-The usefulness of map navigation with a MSD to an assault or commando means they must sacrifice their 1 EQ slot which in the current meta is filled with a scanner, compact nano, allotek nano, or various uplinks. Removing this enhances the support role of logis for their team who may carry multiple equipment in addition a MSD.

-Sentinels will continue to not have an EQ slot. All suit tiers would get a jump height buff that allows them to clear rails without a need for modules or EQ.

Fix the frame rate first

@Avallo Kantor
As I've also said many times before, keeping jump height locked into the high slot module system is too clunky.
-It prevents devs from introducing new jump height options as stacking penalties become an issue.
-It is always on. Moving to an activated equipment approach lets players use normal jumps and enhanced jumps.

Nice edit about high slot tanking. I was going to harp on someone for not reading the damned proposal for the 15th time.

@jett it
Ow my heart...please read the bottom of this post. It was just asked, and the answer has always been in the original post.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3012654#post3012654