So you'd like to pull out the worst elements of PlanetSide 2 and Eve's old sov system and put them together in an unholy matrimony?

Nah breh.

Looking at your Corp I wouldn't expect you to agree... You gain too much from how things are..

The biggest issue with PC that has yet to be fixed is that it is more profitable to sit back and farm rather than go to war. Everything in PC is limited by CP. Selling clones and using clones costs the same amount, yet one yields immediate ISK and DK profit (selling clones) and sending attacks takes time and effort for much less possible profit (its actually likely you will LOSE isk with this option).

The second biggest issue is no showing, which in its current worst form is sending a free 25k CP attack and simply not showing up for it, forcing the defending side to spend time setting up a team and coming up with a plan, sitting in the warbarge for 10 mins, resetting, etc.

People like to defend no-showing as the only viable tactic a weak corp can use to intimidate a strong corp. Its actually not, the most viable tactic would be to show up with 16 people, fight for all your worth, learn, and improve. No-showing is one of the many things that drives people away from sending attacks to just pub stomping and using CP earned in pubs to sell clones, fueling more pub stomping.

Its not just the players' faults for lack of PC action, its the mechanics that revolve around farming and no showing. The best way for this to change would be to reduce the amount of ISK selling clones yields and increase the amount of DK it yields, reduce the CP cost of sending attacks by half.

Most importantly, MAKE FIGHTING PROFITABLE! Add ISK value to clones destroyed again, make it equal to the amount each clone would fetch you by selling it. By clones destroyed, I mean MANUALLY destroyed by players, clones lost automatically to a defeat should yield NOTHING. This way a no show with one person on the winning side won't produce anything.

But heres the most important part. The victor will receive the ISK generated by clone destruction by both sides, this will make winning matter again. With the current "Keep what you killed" mechanic losers can get paid more than the winners. I agree the losers should get something, the ISK value of the suits they destroyed should be sufficient, but it makes no sense for the loser to get the clone goo profit. Make people WANT to WIN instead of play passively.

Passive play in PC needs to die a quick death.

Real Raids!

Whats your idea for a real raid? I was thinking a window mode mechanic would be good, as in you can attack a district and in a hour or less the battle happens.

Reasoning is if you own a district, you should be able to defend it during the timer you have it set to. If you have multiple districts on the same timer, you're **** out of luck. The offset would be a raid cannot flip the district, only reduce the clone count and generate ISK for the raiders.

I think location actually mattering would help a lot too. Being able to attack anyone anywhere makes it really easy for pc corps to get burnt out when a bunch of different corps can just attack, no show, troll, etc. Not only that, but there's no obvious reason to attack anyone. District services that benefit eve and dust and a marketplace would've added some depth.

After playing eve I thought it would be cool if dust players could fight on planetary interaction colonies too boost production, or steal isk. Planetary interaction is actually ran by drones, so it would be possible reprogram them to benefit you instead of the eve player and that eve player would hire mercs to get rid of the rogue drones. /offtopic

Basically there's little hope for a pc I'm interested in until there's a new game.

Whats your idea for a real raid? I was thinking a window mode mechanic would be good, as in you can attack a district and in a hour or less the battle happens.

Reasoning is if you own a district, you should be able to defend it during the timer you have it set to. If you have multiple districts on the same timer, you're **** out of luck. The offset would be a raid cannot flip the district, only reduce the clone count and generate ISK for the raiders.

Agree'd. Might actually be an interesting solution to no shows, actually, if you could only use a clone pack to attack a district in a system that is bordering a high-sec system. This gives tactical value to systems that are deeper in that are functionally immune to clone packs and allow newer corps to bridge in on the edge systems to gain their foothold.

Thoughts?

Still thinking about how to combat the no show mechanics in a feasible way. Might have something come lunch time.

Agree'd. Might actually be an interesting solution to no shows, actually, if you could only use a clone pack to attack a district in a system that is bordering a high-sec system. This gives tactical value to systems that are deeper in that are functionally immune to clone packs and allow newer corps to bridge in on the edge systems to gain their foothold.

Thoughts?

I think you're on to something with your active state idea. As for a no-show fix, I have a few ideas that have probably been thrown around before. Idea #1 is whenever an attack is sent, instead of it costing isk, the attacker will have to put some ISK up as collateral to concord (approx. 16-32mil ISK).

If the warbarge ends and there is no one on the attacker's side, the collateral is immediately forfeited to the defender to compensate for time wasted, and the battle is immediately decided and cuts to EOM(to save time), the collateral being divided up between everyone on the defender's side.

If the situation is reversed and the attackers show but the defenders don't, the match is immediately decided and cuts to EOM, but the defenders did not have to put up collateral.

Instead concord will directly tax their corp wallet(if its empy then it will tax the players evenly) and give it to the attackers (8-16 mil ISK). The obvious trade off is that the attackers are one step closer to flipping the district. The re-up attack warbarge will be 5 mins long instead of 10 mins to save time as well.

What do you think?

Agree'd. Might actually be an interesting solution to no shows, actually, if you could only use a clone pack to attack a district in a system that is bordering a high-sec system. This gives tactical value to systems that are deeper in that are functionally immune to clone packs and allow newer corps to bridge in on the edge systems to gain their foothold.

Thoughts?

I like this idea, but being a noob to the security mechanic I have a hard time understanding the pattern to the layout of high sec and low sec systems. Are High sec systems all near eachother or are each randomly distributed? I think there would have to be a UI upgrade to the starmap to make this easier to understand for everyone.

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This is a very good idea.

Arirana is also dead on about PC no shows, It is the absolute worst.

What about also adding a timer when a colony is put in an "inactive" state? Like an upkeep?

So lets say the default timer is 12hrs.
If at any point the colony is placed inactive, this timer starts ticking down.

If the colony is placed inactive for 2hrs then the remaining timer will be 10hrs for example.
If this timer ever reaches zero, the corporation then loses this property. ( Or perhaps incur some type of penalty that withdraws ISK, CP, or DK)

And allow a corporation to "refill" this timer by using DK
(Hopefully influencing corps to remain active in acquiring DK through fighting)

Ringers should be eliminated from the game. You should only be able to deploy to PC if you are a member of one of the two participating corporations.

Assistance from other corporations should be in the form of hiring another corporation to defend a district for you. You then give the hired corporation the ability to deploy for the defence, as a whole team.
If you want assistance attacking, you should hire a corporation to attack a district for you. The hired Corp takes the district and then should be able to freely hand over the district.

Only mercs from two corporations should ever be present in a PC at the same time.

There should be a cooldown on Corp hopping.

This would make it much easier for new blood to enter PC. At the moment it's far too easy for old corporations with the right contacts to hire ringers that will stomp any opposition.

If you had to use your own mercs, defending districts would be harder and more players would be able to join in and learn PC.

Theorycraft with me for a moment. Bear in mind that these ideas are fairly fresh so there's probably going to be a lot of issues with them (hence the point of theorycrafting).

Districts can be set as 'Active' or 'Inactive'.
In an 'Inactive' state they are fundamentally worthless. They do not generate clones, you cannot move them, you pretty much just retain ownership of the district and that's about it.

In an 'Active' state you can use them as normally like you do today.

The key difference here is that in an 'Inactive' state you retain the typical battle mechanics. Battles are announced up to 24/48 hours ahead of time, you have time to prepare, etc. In an 'Active' state, you are given at most an hours notice and the district must stay in an 'Active' state for 12-24 hours.

This forces corporations to engage in risk/reward in order to get the benefits from their districts. They can be attacked in an 'Inactive' state and have notice but will not be able to recover from the losses unless they put the district in an 'Active' state. This, in theory, would significantly reduce the farming capability as you would have to have players online to defend the district in order to farm it since it can't generate/sell clones while 'Inactive'.

Since the 'Inactive' state is functionally worthless, it is impossible to retain for long periods of time as any attacks -WILL- do damage to the clone counts, even if they are miniscule. This forces the defending corporation to set it to 'Active' at some point in order to recover the losses, thus killing district holding for district holding's sake and making it difficult to farm without actively defending.

Still thinking about how to combat the no show mechanics in a feasible way. Might have something come lunch time.

Remove locking, allow multiple attacks at the same time... eg you could orchestrate 3 consecutive attacks to wear the enemy Corp down.

Pc should have always have been free form, placing attack restrictions is stupid and has allowed a monopoly to happen..

Allow tactical attacks eg v an american Corp attack them at 3/4am there time... Pc is far too safe and with the big Corps allied together Pc has died...

Make it more like Eve, instead of this wishy washy crap we have now, it has killed any idea of lore and is a far cry from what we were initially promised

So we remove the mercenary factor? You realize corps are built around ringing and so are players..so no, ringing is fine..I shouldn't have to Corp hop every week just to do pc's

Whats your idea for a real raid? I was thinking a window mode mechanic would be good, as in you can attack a district and in a hour or less the battle happens.

Reasoning is if you own a district, you should be able to defend it during the timer you have it set to. If you have multiple districts on the same timer, you're **** out of luck. The offset would be a raid cannot flip the district, only reduce the clone count and generate ISK for the raiders.

Suggested Raid Mechanics
* Cost: 20,000 CP
* Mode: 8v8, 3pt Skirm
* No Ringers allowed (either side)
* Wire each district with a raid window set one hour prior to daily attack timer (credit: Tebu)
* Raids can be executed within the 1st 5 minutes of window (attack timer = 23:00; raid window = 22:00-22:05)
* If executed, Raid follows 30 minutes later (20min muster, 10min barge) (credit: Balistyc)

Raid Alerts
On raid execution, Raiders and Defenders receive corp-wide notification from NPC:
- "[Insert Corp Name] warbarges inbound! ETA 22:35. Defend: System X - Planet Y - District Z.
- "Warbarges outbound for [Insert Corp Name], ETA 22:35. Target: System X - Planet Y - District Z.

Victory / Loss
* District ownership does not change hands
* Winner takes loser's losses; loser takes winner's losses
* On Raider Victory, % of District clone reserves are pillaged and immediately converted to ISK
* On Raider Loss, Raider Corp cannot raid districts belonging to victorious Defender corp for 48 hours
* On Raider No Show, Raider Corp cannot raid districts belonging to victorious Defender corp for 48 hours

Benefits
* Provides on-demand access to end-game battles ... 8 corpmates online? Let's raid!
* Smaller maps + fewer participants = better PC framerate / performance
* For larger corps, provides a tactical tool to pave the way for an attack / flip
* For smaller corps, provides an opportunity to catch the bigboy corps with their pants down
* Provides another outlet for CP; potentially eases / resolves the PC no-show problem
* Corps get to fight who they attack (rather than the same ol' ringers)

Miscellaneous Ideas / Extras
* Could sell anti-raid consumables for DK in the District Market (e.g. immune to raids for 24 hrs)
* Could sell raid enhancing consumables for DK in the District Market (e.g. pillage +10% clones on victory)
* Could later implement a 16v16 "large raid" option which pillages a higher % of clones on victory
* Could later implement a "raid reprisal" option for landholders (Ambush; reclaim % of stolen clones on victory)


Source (earlier discussion)

Looking at your Corp I wouldn't expect you to agree... You gain too much from how things are..

You realize 0.H is dead and not even in PC anymore right?

I think location actually mattering would help a lot too. Being able to attack anyone anywhere makes it really easy for pc corps to get burnt out when a bunch of different corps can just attack, no show, troll, etc. Not only that, but there's no obvious reason to attack anyone. District services that benefit eve and dust and a marketplace would've added some depth.

After playing eve I thought it would be cool if dust players could fight on planetary interaction colonies too boost production, or steal isk. Planetary interaction is actually ran by drones, so it would be possible reprogram them to benefit you instead of the eve player and that eve player would hire mercs to get rid of the rogue drones. /offtopic

Basically there's little hope for a pc I'm interested in until there's a new game.