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Adipem Nothi wrote:

Arirana wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Real Raids!

Whats your idea for a real raid? I was thinking a window mode mechanic would be good, as in you can attack a district and in a hour or less the battle happens.

Suggested Raid Mechanics
* Cost: 20,000 CP
* Mode: 8v8, 3pt Skirm
* No Ringers allowed (either side)
* Wire each district with a raid window set one hour prior to daily attack timer (credit: Tebu)
* Raids can be executed within the 1st 5 minutes of window (attack timer = 23:00; raid window = 22:00-22:05)
* If executed, Raid follows 30 minutes later (20min muster, 10min barge) (credit: Balistyc)

Raid Alerts
On raid execution, Raiders and Defenders receive corp-wide notification from NPC:
- "[Insert Corp Name] warbarges inbound! ETA 22:35. Defend: System X - Planet Y - District Z.
- "Warbarges outbound for [Insert Corp Name], ETA 22:35. Target: System X - Planet Y - District Z.

Victory / Loss
* District ownership does not change hands
* Winner takes loser's losses; loser takes winner's losses
* On Raider Victory, % of District clone reserves are pillaged and immediately converted to ISK
* On Raider Loss, Raider Corp cannot raid districts belonging to victorious Defender corp for 48 hours
* On Raider No Show, Raider Corp cannot raid districts belonging to victorious Defender corp for 48 hours

Benefits
* Provides on-demand access to end-game battles ... 8 corpmates online? Let's raid!
* Smaller maps + fewer participants = better PC framerate / performance
* For larger corps, provides a tactical tool to pave the way for an attack / flip
* For smaller corps, provides an opportunity to catch the bigboy corps with their pants down
* Provides another outlet for CP; potentially eases / resolves the PC no-show problem
* Corps get to fight who they attack (rather than the same ol' ringers)

Miscellaneous Ideas / Extras
* Could sell anti-raid consumables for DK in the District Market (e.g. immune to raids for 24 hrs)
* Could sell raid enhancing consumables for DK in the District Market (e.g. pillage +10% clones on victory)
* Could later implement a 16v16 "large raid" option which pillages a higher % of clones on victory
* Could later implement a "raid reprisal" option for landholders (Ambush; reclaim % of stolen clones on victory)

Source (earlier discussion)

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Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.10.25 18:07:00 - [31] - Quote Actually, reserve players might not be so bad. Ok, they couldn't do every PC, but it would open PC up to more players.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.10.26 13:47:00 - [32] - Quote Humping this back to the top SOONtm
Rinzler XVII Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 420	Posted - 2015.10.26 19:25:00 - [33] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arirana wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Real Raids! Whats your idea for a real raid? I was thinking a window mode mechanic would be good, as in you can attack a district and in a hour or less the battle happens. Suggested Raid Mechanics * Cost: 20,000 CP * Mode: 8v8, 3pt Skirm * No Ringers allowed (either side) * Wire each district with a raid window set one hour prior to daily attack timer (credit: Tebu) * Raids can be executed within the 1st 5 minutes of window (attack timer = 23:00; raid window = 22:00-22:05) * If executed, Raid follows 30 minutes later (20min muster, 10min barge) (credit: Balistyc) Raid Alerts On raid execution, Raiders and Defenders receive corp-wide notification from NPC: - "[Insert Corp Name] warbarges inbound! ETA 22:35. Defend: System X - Planet Y - District Z. - "Warbarges outbound for [Insert Corp Name], ETA 22:35. Target: System X - Planet Y - District Z. Victory / Loss * District ownership does not change hands * Winner takes loser's losses; loser takes winner's losses * On Raider Victory, % of District clone reserves are pillaged and immediately converted to ISK * On Raider Loss, Raider Corp cannot raid districts belonging to victorious Defender corp for 48 hours * On Raider No Show, Raider Corp cannot raid districts belonging to victorious Defender corp for 48 hours Benefits * Provides on-demand access to end-game battles ... 8 corpmates online? Let's raid! * Smaller maps + fewer participants = better PC framerate / performance * For larger corps, provides a tactical tool to pave the way for an attack / flip * For smaller corps, provides an opportunity to catch the bigboy corps with their pants down * Provides another outlet for CP; potentially eases / resolves the PC no-show problem * Corps get to fight who they attack (rather than the same ol' ringers) Miscellaneous Ideas / Extras * Could sell anti-raid consumables for DK in the District Market (e.g. immune to raids for 24 hrs) * Could sell raid enhancing consumables for DK in the District Market (e.g. pillage +10% clones on victory) * Could later implement a 16v16 "large raid" option which pillages a higher % of clones on victory * Could later implement a "raid reprisal" option for landholders (Ambush; reclaim % of stolen clones on victory) Source (earlier discussion) This is a great idea as it'd allow smaller corps to get more involved in end game as well as bored vets to play competitive matches more frequently with a benefit to doing so for full on pc battles, also it gives the pub stompers the supposed outlet to use there officer gear that they say they wanted and use as the main reason they pub stomp which in turn should free up pub games to be more casual.... +5 haha I Fight for the User It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.26 19:27:00 - [34] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: So you'd like to pull out the worst elements of PlanetSide 2 and Eve's old sov system and put them together in an unholy matrimony? Nah breh. Looking at your Corp I wouldn't expect you to agree... You gain too much from how things are.. You realize 0.H is dead and not even in PC anymore right? Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
Rinzler XVII Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 420	Posted - 2015.10.26 19:40:00 - [35] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: So you'd like to pull out the worst elements of PlanetSide 2 and Eve's old sov system and put them together in an unholy matrimony? Nah breh. Looking at your Corp I wouldn't expect you to agree... You gain too much from how things are.. You realize 0.H is dead and not even in PC anymore right? They used to be though and seeing as the guy I replied to was in O.H it was within the realms of possibility to think he could've been in the Corp when they were isk farming... Logic.. Mind blowing isn't it? I Fight for the User It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
Avallo Kantor 942	Posted - 2015.10.26 20:35:00 - [36] - Quote Grimmiers wrote: I think location actually mattering would help a lot too. Being able to attack anyone anywhere makes it really easy for pc corps to get burnt out when a bunch of different corps can just attack, no show, troll, etc. Not only that, but there's no obvious reason to attack anyone. District services that benefit eve and dust and a marketplace would've added some depth. After playing eve I thought it would be cool if dust players could fight on planetary interaction colonies too boost production, or steal isk. Planetary interaction is actually ran by drones, so it would be possible reprogram them to benefit you instead of the eve player and that eve player would hire mercs to get rid of the rogue drones. /offtopic Basically there's little hope for a pc I'm interested in until there's a new game. On your second point, I agree that PI could be a useful mechanic. What I've never understood is why a "district" is always just one location when in theory a planetary district could cover a large swath of land. One mechanic I think would have been more interesting is if a District worked more like an EVE PI. Aka: You have the District Command Center, and control of that determines ownership of the district. You can then (at CP / ISK cost) add on various services [limited by PG / CPU of the Command Center] such as Factories, Storage Facilities, Spaceports, and Extractors. Each with various pros / cons. Factories: Produce stuff. [in this simple case let's just stick with Clones]. Each factory produces X / Day clones as long as it is provided raw Material (in this case biomass) --These can be attacked during a district vulnerable period. Successful attack shuts it down and allows for additional attack actions. Storage: Works as Storage facility does now, but to a lesser effect. Spaceports: Work like the related District option. Extractors: Creates Raw Material (in this case, biomass) at a X per hour ratio. If Full, overflow is wasted. Every 6 hours it empties out all material to connected Factories. [Splitting up to each factory if multiple exist] The difference with Extractors however is that they are cheap to make, but Always Vulnerable. Successful victories here would give the attacker HALF the current extractor storage. (Meaning repeat attacks on one Extractor are less profitable). Now this creates a few possibilities: 1) Raiding mechanics that generate something useful. 2) Potential for multiple battles on a district: - Either have it worked like a tiered battle where you have to shut down connected nodes before breaching the command center - Have it work where you can have multiple battles on outer nodes to force multiple fights per district. 3) Owner gets to control their district set up / facilities. Possible to set up less extractors to have less raids. Potential ability to senergize multiple districts together. [extractor district + factory district] "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati


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