[2/6/16 08:46:59 AM] Rhiannon Williams: lol
[2/6/16 08:52:02 AM] the beege:
[2/6/16 08:52:35 AM] the beege: Time to bog this chat down
[2/6/16 08:53:00 AM] the beege: After all op sec is not disclosed here
[2/6/16 08:53:17 AM] Rhiannon Williams: Heh
[2/6/16 08:54:28 AM] the beege: Didn't hear your critique on prose
[2/6/16 08:56:26 AM] Rhiannon Williams: I liked it, Max & I love the speech
[2/6/16 08:58:51 AM] Moppchopper Sneaktoots: Oh really quick and btw a big ty to demens and our friends at Ancient Exiles for helping to take the pressure off of us just as the strings were being pulled and the **** hit the fan.love you too bro.
[2/6/16 09:00:32 AM] Moppchopper Sneaktoots: Kk .now im done.lol
[2/6/16 09:06:05 AM] Moppchopper Sneaktoots: Continue =ƒÿè
[2/6/16 09:10:43 AM] Moppchopper Sneaktoots: Will resend you the password here again in a bit in case you need it
[2/6/16 09:18:51 AM] Moppchopper Sneaktoots: Some epic music for your background

You da mane, Mopp!

Was a pleasure serving with you. Gonna wear these colors to the end!

What is all that gibberish

This guy always fails to mention that red star was like the DDB of eon.

Doubt that there were 3 non-EoN corps that could beat Red Star in their prime. I challenge any to name 4

Doubt that there were 3 non-EoN corps that could beat Red Star in their prime. I challenge any to name 4

Doubt that there were 3 non-EoN corps that could beat Red Star in their prime. I challenge any to name 4

1. What The French
2. SVER True Blood
3. Nyain Sain
4. The Southern Legion

1. What The French
2. SVER True Blood
3. Nyain Sain
4. The Southern Legion

-Hellstorm (Kujo era)
-Outer Heaven
-PFB
-Imperfects-Negative Feedback
-Seraphim Initiative

Hellstorm before the split would have beat redstar. OH... Maybe? TP demolished their Corp in 9 straight victories, I'm sure R* would have won more than a few of a 9 game series against them. Imperfects DID play against RS. Very very close loss, so I'll give you that one. As for SI, there was a ton of matches against chronos during that war... I'm not sure who fought the bulk of them against SI, but I know it wasn't us. I'm going to assume that it was either redstar or synergy. Either way, SI was pretty good back then, but they still lost the war.

PFB was strong... As strong as the tac AR was at the time. We played against them once(15+Sha running a counter-uplink scout build). We hadn't quite got a grasp on the game at that point yet and they beat us pretty handily. That match changed our approach to battles. Their tactics were pretty basic, Sha was the only one trying to play the uplink game that dominated the majority of early PC. I think that they would beat RS on the back of their top tier slayers, much in the way that imperfect did.

1. What The French
2. SVER True Blood
3. Nyain Sain
4. The Southern Legion

-Hellstorm (Kujo era)
-Outer Heaven
-PFB
-Imperfects-Negative Feedback
-Seraphim Initiative

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People always seem to forget how deep EoN.s roster was. When the LoI war started, we went into it assuming that the Hellstorm/TP matches were going to be somewhat of a push and that the rest of the alliance would dominate everyone else. Those matches were not a push and the war ended rather quickly, mostly on the back of the remaining players of the rest of the alliance.

EoN. was already starting to burn out at that point... At the end of the chronos war was probably the peak of the alliances power across all corps. TP just surged a little later because we were nuts and had 13-14 guys that could make every single match and wanted to play 4-5 battles a night for 3-4 months... Probably why we get more credit than we deserve for EoN.s success, we had a great deal of visibility.

People forget that LOI was stacked at that time. The dust community was evenly split. EoN and LOI were the biggest competitive alliances out. At that time, Hellstorm was looking really good. They also had Outer.Heaven, Pro Hic, Anonymous, and like 3 or 4 more other corps. This is when RND joined EoN. EoN had TP, SyN, R*S, GEN, RND and a few smaller corps. I thought that the EoN-LOI war would have been the sickest war of to date because we were evenly matched. Well, on the surface of popularity it looked even. Because LOI had Hellstorm and OH as their headlining corps. And EoN had TP and SyN as their headlning corps. But RND and R*S would have probably wiped out the remaining corps.

There is a reason why we took out Outer heaven BEFORE the war. It was a calculated risk that their allies didn't really like them all that much. They had just surprise attacked Hellstorm for a "friendly". Hellstorm correctly(in my view) considered the match to be a "who's better!? pissing contest). There was obvious discontent. So, when we got our excuse to play against OH and won, we took the opportunity to start a limited war against the second strongest corp in the alliance. Those games were invaluable for us... Most of the early games were close. Flaylock spam was rampant... By the time we actually got to hellstorm, we had added some good tweets to our rings map strategy, and approached them with a instant nade/flaylock free agreement. They honored that agreement(much respect!). They won two of the early matches in the war that Hellsreaper and myself were unable to participate in, but then we rattle off enough victories straight to disintegrate their Corp. All the while, OH was fighting OUR defenses against Internal Error... Yeah, they lost most of them, but they kept the bed warm for when we could defend them ourselves. The war was a disaster for LOI.

Pro Hic was pretty good. In early PC they had the only MD user that was better than me with the weapon. Alldin was better in beta, rug was overrated, and Kaughst wasn't really on the scene at that point. We still beat them handily, but they put up a much better fight than most of the guys in ROFL and the rest of LoI.

For the record, Kaughst was the best mass driver user to play the game. It was so underpowered at the start of uprising that nobody else really used it in PC except for me and gloogloo(WTF). I liked it because it killed uplinks well. Nobody else did because Caldari Logi was king.

1. What The French
2. SVER True Blood
3. Nyain Sain
4. The Southern Legion

-Hellstorm (Kujo era)
-Outer Heaven
-PFB
-Imperfects-Negative Feedback
-Seraphim Initiative

Capital Acquisitions. I don't even know how big we were back then. I just wonder how we'd stack up.

Never crossed any of the involved groups minds until at least a year later. Not saying that you guys didn't come into your own, just that it the timeline isn't close.

Cap was actually pretty decent. Leagues better than KEQ at their peaks. As much as I like to degrade KEQ due to their spineless leadership, I saw them come very close to beating synergy on green mushroom 4 point during the FEC war. KEQ approached the map with a very sound strategy of heavy city presence with emphasis underneath the mushroom and it took synergy a long time respond with a 2+1 outside/inside control counterpunch. Movado was telling people to do the right things, but it just wasn't happening... The main difference between a TP match and the one I witnessed and took part in on that day, is that we had uplinks EVERYWHERE. Synergy's slayers were roughly equal, and their tankers almost undoubtedly as strong or stronger than ours, but there was a serious deficiency in terms of team members enabling the group to change strategies on the fly. Uplinks were more important than killing by at least 3:1 back then. For every good uplink placed or killed, it was as important as killing 3 average PC players.

Eugene might have had a little to do with R*'s success. His recollection matches up pretty well to my admittedly biased perception( except for discounting PFB... They were pretty good, even if they didn't realize the talent that they had in their depth).

It is a mistake to discount PFBHz. The 16 that they played in early PC were all very good shooters, even if they did subscribe to the Pdiggy school of Tac AR and REs. Teamplayers picked up at least 6 fantastic geoup members from their split, the vast majority of which were PFBHz "B/reserve team" that they didn't realize were excellent. The leadership of that Corp placed too much weight in a certain skill set which included proficiency in a weapon that was bound to be nerfed and underestimated ability to function in a cohesive group as an arm of a command structure.

I'm still curious how they didn't realize the potential of The Spinner though... Dude had everything they were looking for AND everything we expected of our team. There isn't a 16 man team that he wouldn't have make better, but I don't think they included him in their A team. Their loss.