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Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.10.26 22:27:00 - [1] - Quote I sat through Cubs diplomacy a number of times. It was hilarious. There were two options: cooperate or be annihilated. It took until our "What the French run" to be taken seriously, but after that point, our group had decent sway with movado. The stb vs imps matches probably helped too. Anyone in TP could tell the whole story; that's the kind of outfit we were running.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:15:00 - [2] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: I sat through Cubs diplomacy a number of times. It was hilarious. There were two options: cooperate or be annihilated. It took until our "What the French run" to be taken seriously, but after that point, our group had decent sway with movado. The stb vs imps matches probably helped too. Anyone in TP( at the time) could tell the whole story; that's the kind of outfit we were running. Regardless, I have a bit of knowledge about a few significant events. Amongst the people who still pop in, I'd say Zatara alone is more familiar with the EoN. War(Zat was always the favored link runner), and Sota and Kane with DNS donut. If someone is making an effort to compile The History of Dust, I am here to help. There are about 30 people total that would be needed. 15 for the begging and 15 for the end. Because there was a huge split in ages of Dust. .before and after fan fest I know about a few events from one perspective. There a tons of people( under 100... This is dust that we are talking about) that could contribute. Roman has his fair share of stories to tell. Of this I am sure.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.10.28 23:55:00 - [3] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: I sat through Cubs diplomacy a number of times. It was hilarious. There were two options: cooperate or be annihilated. It took until our "What the French run" to be taken seriously, but after that point, our group had decent sway with movado. The stb vs imps matches probably helped too. Anyone in TP( at the time) could tell the whole story; that's the kind of outfit we were running. Regardless, I have a bit of knowledge about a few significant events. Amongst the people who still pop in, I'd say Zatara alone is more familiar with the EoN. War(Zat was always the favored link runner), and Sota and Kane with DNS donut. If someone is making an effort to compile The History of Dust, I am here to help. TP's rise to power could be an interesting tell. TeamPlayers is the probably the most interesting of them all, imo. TP was one of the most dominant forces seen in MH. What separates TP from every other dominant corp is that you never hear any of their places mentioned in most of the greatest of all times lists. I know some of the guys that are frequently listed joined TP at one time or another but that may have been after TP had established their mark. TP not mentioned as the GOAT? are you smoking some kinda new just dubbs? No one who knows wtf they are talking about would argue TP is the GOAT in PC history. TP is still the GOAT in my book. AE would place 2nd. I personally think FA is third all time with OH 4th. And EoN followed by NF with DNS excluded for obvious reasons are the greatest alliances of PC history. Renegade and TSO is actually more of a toss up in my book. For three months, we were four/ five capping Everyone In The Game. After about eighty straight victories( The Streak) we lost a game or two to hellstorm. After that, we attacked and won out against them until they weren't competitive anymore. It was another two or three months before AE could field a decent team. We certainly weren't the most purely talented team. We just had 14 consistent members, good strategic understanding of the game, good leadership, and we all played our roles. Our slayers were vastly underrated until we pulled Reg in. Our heavies did exactly what they needed to do to win. We had no scouts( as was the style that year) and our logis were second to none. I liked working with Zat a lot back then. We were almost always on the same page( he was always on the same page in much too many words though!). DDD played the same idea, but filled the team AV role as well. Zdubs learned quickly and played a strategically sound game, as well as being emotionally centered. Couldn't have asked for a better crew.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:48:00 - [4] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: I have a huge archive of old pictures. Chromosome pictures. The beginning of PC and a lot of fights. Only i can see them and im glad i did. I have all of dust's PC history in its entirety on the palm of my hands. I can see who is being biased here. I just wanna point something out to YDUBBS. I know that he is in my corp and has high views of EoN since he was in it but do not say that TP was this dominant force for three months when i have pictures of AE and TP butting heads equally. AE was reduced to taking districts from corps like 187. And didn't really pose a challenge until 10k fist ari. Without Ari it wasn't equal, it was more like 70/30. I think the record was 14-4 win/loss vs AE. Equal is a bit biased. No one takes more pictures than me <3 when you consider dubbs talking june to august...I don't thinkly he's off. AE's wins against TP pre FEC could be counted on one hand. After the exodus for ff14/gta5 TP fell off. Pretty sure everyone fell of after FF14. TP in the other hand fell of when they lost the tournament to AE late september in 2013. After that we never fought TP again. I remember also going into wars against FA and OH before 2013 ended and we won both. Also iv'e noticed that all these history threads only have the views from the side of ex EoN and TP players but never an AE. We ran wtf into the ground, then ran through the entirety of chronos( with help of course). After that we essentially single handedly decimate what was ROFL at the time, then we went 9-0 against OH and nearly decimated them as well. Then we lost once or twice to hellstorm before rattling off 10-15 straight before your former corp exploded and they begged for peace. Meanwhile, Kujo lead his exodus and tried to hide districts behind an alt corp. AE really didn't have any legs to stand on until AFTER the fec war. How long was it between the hellstorm war and FEC? Pretty sure it was a few months. Really wasn't until ff14 that here was really a challenge... Don't get me wrong, you guys were right there with us. It was obvious who the tourney final was going to be from the very start of that two month cluster. And you kicked our collective butts. But we were dominant for three months after AE was formed... In addition to being unquestionably the best before. I was on the team though, so i think it probably says more about competition level than excellence.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.10.30 04:44:00 - [5] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: KEQ earned there place in history. For being the best district lockers the game has ever seen. Paradox was better. Trust me. KEQ was just good at talking some scrub GM into letting them off the hook. Mike Ruan always got it right the first time.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.10.30 05:00:00 - [6] - Quote I started playing ff14 like 5 or 6 members of our team... I had nothing to do with preserving our position after the fec war. I logged in for the tourney almost exclusively. Probably contributed to my complete ineffectiveness in the final actually. My game was entirely centered on practice. My aim sucks and I somehow was third or forth best at my gun role. No life practice. I had one good match on rings and spent the rest of my time trying too hard and getting totally stomped. I did alright in ff14 when I played though, for the same reason I was semi effective in dust. I found what works and then cheesed the hell out of it. And Zat, you were a total care bear at that moment, but it didn't take much to convince you when we went radio silent and tried to take everything, so care bear status was revoked.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.10.30 05:01:00 - [7] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Suggesting that a 5 cap by KEQ along with a picture is going to cause much of anything other than a yawn is precious. <3 I 5 capped AE and ERA...who hasn't been 5 capped? 187 was never 5 capped... until i left and smashed them with the generals. lol A 5 cap is about as useful in ascertaining the strength of a corp as roman's boat is useful in determining his fishing game. 5 caps determine a corps resolve. Do they fight back? Do they show up to the next match?
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.10.30 05:52:00 - [8] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Suggesting that a 5 cap by KEQ along with a picture is going to cause much of anything other than a yawn is precious. <3 I 5 capped AE and ERA...who hasn't been 5 capped? 187 was never 5 capped... until i left and smashed them with the generals. lol A 5 cap is about as useful in ascertaining the strength of a corp as roman's boat is useful in determining his fishing game. 5 caps determine a corps resolve. Do they fight back? Do they show up to the next match? Not necessarily. a 5 cap could be caused by any number of factors that don't require fighting back...like when kane decided to gift the community with districts, right? The first few matches were fun, actually :D. It was like the FEC war. I found a squad that was good enough to kill 20 clones in a 16v6... After the opposition stopped being entirely inept, it was less fun. I did get to 1v1 forum personality BigOleNuts... I kited him around the point under rings for a MD clip and a half. 9 good rounds until I messed up one time and killed myself. The speed mass driver build didn't quite stand the test of time. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Really no possible way to get him in that situation at that stage in balance, but its all that I knew how to do :X. Kane acted unilaterally the majority of the time. I just liked the general idea of what he wanted to do, so I helped. I may have made a good amount of fake money in the process. And launched more than a hundred attacks in a day... twice. For a brief moment, every single district in molden heath was under attack. We had like 20 guys to fill all those matches, but it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 23:49:00 - [9] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: I demand whenever I be brought up that I be referred to as a stripper named SoTa PoP quoted for obvious ban evasion.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.11.11 00:43:00 - [10] - Quote Kail Mako wrote: I haven't been around since the beginning, but I can give a brief history of what I remember. When I joined, NS was on top. They were a goddamn powerhouse. No one could even hope to touch them. I didn't really see much activity in MH until I joined Capital though. Being the first corp I joined that actually bothered to PC I was blown away by the skill of these guys. This isn't just me talking out of my ass either. Capital actually held the most MH for a period of time, but we'll get to that later. At some point in time ERA took the most of MH. I don't really recall exactly when, but I know that a lot of the big corps were in the same Alliance. "Big blue donut" it was called. **** started brewing when AE. left the Alliance though. Whether or not they were kicked, or left is not known to me. I just know that a lot of the corps left. Later on Capital started getting into a lot of fights with O.H. I hear that at the time O.H. was on DL's payroll. It was never very serious though, and rarely were districts actually flipped. However, somehow the fighting forged a bond, and the two corps teamed up to wipe out ERA. We took 13 districts in one day. I personally participated in 5-6 PCs that day. After that, nothing really happened that was noteworthy for awhile. Capital lost it's leadership, and we were dormant for the longest time. I don't know if it was before or after we went silent that we managed to take most of MH, but we started giving it away to smaller corps. Now, AE. has returned, and I honestly don't know the future of Dust. To me personally, it seems like corps are rising and dying faster than ever. As far as I know, NS never won a legitimate battle against era, AE, TP, or FA. I don't think that would make them a powerhouse by any stretch, unless you consider only raw resources. The rest of it is vaguely accurate, from what I know. A few paragraphs can be attributed directly to the actions of Kane Sparo.

Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2016.02.10 15:43:00 - [11] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Dust User wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: History of PC from day 1 from my perspective. EoN destroys Orion Empire with help of NF. EoN and Cronos go to war. After a month of intense fighting EoN wins. EoN and league of infamy go to war. EoN crushes league of infamy in less than 3 days. Community cries Community bands together to form FEC. Aka F#$* EoN coalition. FEC mass attacks Eon w 100+ attacks in one day. (Devs report that this is the largest war in history) EoN absolutely destroys the FEC. Most of Eon retires of boredom never to return. Care Bears take over and continue to play till this day. The End. This guy always fails to mention that red star was like the DDB of eon. Doubt that there were 3 non-EoN corps that could beat Red Star in their prime. I challenge any to name 4 People always seem to forget how deep EoN.s roster was. When the LoI war started, we went into it assuming that the Hellstorm/TP matches were going to be somewhat of a push and that the rest of the alliance would dominate everyone else. Those matches were not a push and the war ended rather quickly, mostly on the back of the remaining players of the rest of the alliance. EoN. was already starting to burn out at that point... At the end of the chronos war was probably the peak of the alliances power across all corps. TP just surged a little later because we were nuts and had 13-14 guys that could make every single match and wanted to play 4-5 battles a night for 3-4 months... Probably why we get more credit than we deserve for EoN.s success, we had a great deal of visibility.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2016.02.10 21:59:00 - [12] - Quote SoLJae wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Dust User wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: History of PC from day 1 from my perspective. EoN destroys Orion Empire with help of NF. EoN and Cronos go to war. After a month of intense fighting EoN wins. EoN and league of infamy go to war. EoN crushes league of infamy in less than 3 days. Community cries Community bands together to form FEC. Aka F#$* EoN coalition. FEC mass attacks Eon w 100+ attacks in one day. (Devs report that this is the largest war in history) EoN absolutely destroys the FEC. Most of Eon retires of boredom never to return. Care Bears take over and continue to play till this day. The End. This guy always fails to mention that red star was like the DDB of eon. Doubt that there were 3 non-EoN corps that could beat Red Star in their prime. I challenge any to name 4 1. What The French 2. SVER True Blood 3. Nyain Sain 4. The Southern Legion WTF is the only one on that list that is accurate, but I think R* would win 4-2 in a seven game series. NS was always garbage. Never got the chance to play against the Aussies.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2016.02.10 22:14:00 - [13] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: SoLJae wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Dust User wrote: Eugene Killmore wrote: History of PC from day 1 from my perspective. EoN destroys Orion Empire with help of NF. EoN and Cronos go to war. After a month of intense fighting EoN wins. EoN and league of infamy go to war. EoN crushes league of infamy in less than 3 days. Community cries Community bands together to form FEC. Aka F#$* EoN coalition. FEC mass attacks Eon w 100+ attacks in one day. (Devs report that this is the largest war in history) EoN absolutely destroys the FEC. Most of Eon retires of boredom never to return. Care Bears take over and continue to play till this day. The End. This guy always fails to mention that red star was like the DDB of eon. Doubt that there were 3 non-EoN corps that could beat Red Star in their prime. I challenge any to name 4 1. What The French 2. SVER True Blood 3. Nyain Sain 4. The Southern Legion -Hellstorm (Kujo era) -Outer Heaven -PFB -Imperfects-Negative Feedback -Seraphim Initiative Hellstorm before the split would have beat redstar. OH... Maybe? TP demolished their Corp in 9 straight victories, I'm sure R* would have won more than a few of a 9 game series against them. Imperfects DID play against RS. Very very close loss, so I'll give you that one. As for SI, there was a ton of matches against chronos during that war... I'm not sure who fought the bulk of them against SI, but I know it wasn't us. I'm going to assume that it was either redstar or synergy. Either way, SI was pretty good back then, but they still lost the war. PFB was strong... As strong as the tac AR was at the time. We played against them once(15+Sha running a counter-uplink scout build). We hadn't quite got a grasp on the game at that point yet and they beat us pretty handily. That match changed our approach to battles. Their tactics were pretty basic, Sha was the only one trying to play the uplink game that dominated the majority of early PC. I think that they would beat RS on the back of their top tier slayers, much in the way that imperfect did.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2016.02.12 22:38:00 - [14] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: [ People always seem to forget how deep EoN.s roster was. When the LoI war started, we went into it assuming that the Hellstorm/TP matches were going to be somewhat of a push and that the rest of the alliance would dominate everyone else. Those matches were not a push and the war ended rather quickly, mostly on the back of the remaining players of the rest of the alliance. EoN. was already starting to burn out at that point... At the end of the chronos war was probably the peak of the alliances power across all corps. TP just surged a little later because we were nuts and had 13-14 guys that could make every single match and wanted to play 4-5 battles a night for 3-4 months... Probably why we get more credit than we deserve for EoN.s success, we had a great deal of visibility. People forget that LOI was stacked at that time. The dust community was evenly split. EoN and LOI were the biggest competitive alliances out. At that time, Hellstorm was looking really good. They also had Outer.Heaven, Pro Hic, Anonymous, and like 3 or 4 more other corps. This is when RND joined EoN. EoN had TP, SyN, RS, GEN, RND and a few smaller corps. I thought that the EoN-LOI war would have been the sickest war of to date because we were evenly matched. Well, on the surface of popularity it looked even. Because LOI had Hellstorm and OH as their headlining corps. And EoN had TP and SyN as their headlning corps. But RND and RS would have probably wiped out the remaining corps. There is a reason why we took out Outer heaven BEFORE the war. It was a calculated risk that their allies didn't really like them all that much. They had just surprise attacked Hellstorm for a "friendly". Hellstorm correctly(in my view) considered the match to be a "who's better!? pissing contest). There was obvious discontent. So, when we got our excuse to play against OH and won, we took the opportunity to start a limited war against the second strongest corp in the alliance. Those games were invaluable for us... Most of the early games were close. Flaylock spam was rampant... By the time we actually got to hellstorm, we had added some good tweets to our rings map strategy, and approached them with a instant nade/flaylock free agreement. They honored that agreement(much respect!). They won two of the early matches in the war that Hellsreaper and myself were unable to participate in, but then we rattle off enough victories straight to disintegrate their Corp. All the while, OH was fighting OUR defenses against Internal Error... Yeah, they lost most of them, but they kept the bed warm for when we could defend them ourselves. The war was a disaster for LOI.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2016.02.12 22:45:00 - [15] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: [ People always seem to forget how deep EoN.s roster was. When the LoI war started, we went into it assuming that the Hellstorm/TP matches were going to be somewhat of a push and that the rest of the alliance would dominate everyone else. Those matches were not a push and the war ended rather quickly, mostly on the back of the remaining players of the rest of the alliance. EoN. was already starting to burn out at that point... At the end of the chronos war was probably the peak of the alliances power across all corps. TP just surged a little later because we were nuts and had 13-14 guys that could make every single match and wanted to play 4-5 battles a night for 3-4 months... Probably why we get more credit than we deserve for EoN.s success, we had a great deal of visibility. People forget that LOI was stacked at that time. The dust community was evenly split. EoN and LOI were the biggest competitive alliances out. At that time, Hellstorm was looking really good. They also had Outer.Heaven, Pro Hic, Anonymous, and like 3 or 4 more other corps. This is when RND joined EoN. EoN had TP, SyN, RS, GEN, RND and a few smaller corps. I thought that the EoN-LOI war would have been the sickest war of to date because we were evenly matched. Well, on the surface of popularity it looked even. Because LOI had Hellstorm and OH as their headlining corps. And EoN had TP and SyN as their headlning corps. But RND and RS would have probably wiped out the remaining corps. There is a reason why we took out Outer heaven BEFORE the war. It was a calculated risk that their allies didn't really like them all that much. They had just surprise attacked Hellstorm for a "friendly". Hellstorm correctly(in my view) considered the match to be a "who's better!? pissing contest). There was obvious discontent. So, when we got our excuse to play against OH and won, we took the opportunity to start a limited war against the second strongest corp in the alliance. Those games were invaluable for us... Most of the early games were close. Flaylock spam was rampant... By the time we actually got to hellstorm, we had added some good tweets to our rings map strategy, and approached them with a instant nade/flaylock free agreement. They honored that agreement(much respect!). They won two of the early matches in the war that Hellsreaper and myself were unable to participate in, but then we rattle off enough victories straight to disintegrate their Corp. All the while, OH was fighting OUR defenses against Internal Error... Yeah, they lost most of them, but they kept the bed warm for when we could defend them ourselves. The war was a disaster for LOI. Pro Hic was pretty good. In early PC they had the only MD user that was better than me with the weapon. Alldin was better in beta, rug was overrated, and Kaughst wasn't really on the scene at that point. We still beat them handily, but they put up a much better fight than most of the guys in ROFL and the rest of LoI. For the record, Kaughst was the best mass driver user to play the game. It was so underpowered at the start of uprising that nobody else really used it in PC except for me and gloogloo(WTF). I liked it because it killed uplinks well. Nobody else did because Caldari Logi was king.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2016.02.18 03:13:00 - [16] - Quote Eugene might have had a little to do with R*'s success. His recollection matches up pretty well to my admittedly biased perception( except for discounting PFB... They were pretty good, even if they didn't realize the talent that they had in their depth). It is a mistake to discount PFBHz. The 16 that they played in early PC were all very good shooters, even if they did subscribe to the Pdiggy school of Tac AR and REs. Teamplayers picked up at least 6 fantastic geoup members from their split, the vast majority of which were PFBHz "B/reserve team" that they didn't realize were excellent. The leadership of that Corp severely overestimated a certain skill set which included proficiency in a weapon that was bound to be nerfed and underestimated ability to function in a cohesive group as an arm of a command structure. I'm still curious how they didn't realize the potential of The Spinner though... Dude had everything they were looking for AND everything we expected of our team. There isn't a 16 man team that he wouldn't have make better, but I don't think they included him in their A team. Their loss.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2016.02.18 03:36:00 - [17] - Quote Kail Mako wrote: Capital Acquisitions. I don't even know how big we were back then. I just wonder how we'd stack up. Never crossed any of the involved groups minds until at least a year later. Not saying that you guys didn't come into your own, just that it the timeline isn't close. Cap was actually pretty decent. Leagues better than KEQ at their peaks. As much as I like to degrade KEQ due to their spineless leadership, I saw them come very close to beating synergy on green mushroom 4 point during the FEC war. KEQ approached the map with a very sound strategy of heavy city presence with emphasis underneath the mushroom and it took synergy a long time respond with a 2+1 outside/inside control counterpunch. Movado was telling people to do the right things, but it just wasn't happening... The main difference between a TP match and the one I witnessed and took part in on that day, is that we had uplinks EVERYWHERE. Synergy's slayers were roughly equal, and their tankers almost undoubtedly as strong or stronger than ours, but there was a serious deficiency in terms of team members enabling the group to change strategies on the fly. Uplinks were more important than killing by at least 3:1 back then. For every good uplink placed or killed, it was as important as killing 3 average PC players.