Imps beat Dust, and everyone else fought over the scraps they left behind.

The end.

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Why, the only corps with any relevance in MH's outcome have been AE, NF, TP, and OH. If everyone else has to change there methods depending on these groups decisions then the report should be focused on them, and not the people not causing waves.

Me, Free Beers, and Kain were the representatives, though it was ultimately my call to align with EoN and join the CRONOS wars instead of mercing for ISK, it was done through by agreement with all parties involved, which, was at one point, with Quickgloves and STB - but they flaked out, more concerned with fighting the weakest alliance in the game at the time - Zion TCD's (Whatever it was called, they died before I even got to see them on the field)

Cubs wasn't actually involved in a lot of the talks, TP wasn't at the credit they are now, they were definitely pulling weight but SyN and Death Dealers were still more popular at the time.

It wasn't until mid Cronos wars with TP winning as often as Imps, Hailstorm, and SyN, that they got noticed. Eventually TP's success would put them as vanguard for not only ringers, but diplomacy too since it was mostly them dealing with it.

it worked out because Cubs is just that kinda guy to point a mob in the right direction. So eventually Mavado gives up on Dust and Cubs takes full reign - but by that time Cubs has assimilated Negative-Feedback into TP.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2857283#post2857283

There you go dubs, lots of Dust history compiled into 1 spot.

The person would have specifically be unbiased to the entire history of Planetary Conquest. They could also go the Star Wars route, by linking a series of arcs together that intertwine through cause and effect.

Hey, I just got back after being gone for a little more than a month and see this. I actually am in the middle of writing my own book and would actually enjoy writing a Dust 514 story. Though I would need all the facts and permission from CCP. If anyone cares to tell me the whole truth that is.

To be completely honest, it would be smarter to ask True Adamance since he knows the lore better than I do. And I think I can only start by next summer since I'm still knee deep in detail and grammatical corrections. With the summer empty though, I will have ample time. And I have to ask certain people if they want me to portray their likelihood in a book. Don't want to start legal issues over that.

A C&D can still apply to intellectual properties. Such as characters, concepts, names, bios etc etc. I will think about doing it but will need to get in contact with you or more about getting all the info. And lore that still implies about getting the little stuff correct like planets and Corp names and stuff to that effect. I was going to first finish up and then start a Fallout book. We'll see how this turns out. I most likely won't do it since it will only maximum sell 500~ copies. Not that attractive to an author.

I'll have to get permission of CCP. If everything turns out well, I'll do it. Will have to hire a producer and editor though. And find a publisher but whatever. This is all still speculation. I do have other work in front of me currently.

Which is the entire problem of letting a person who has been a part of major corps do the writing.

If i had footage, I'd just make a video. I actually already have several scripts written up about 'dusts' history, with some decent footage, special effects, a little movie editing magic - I could not only tell a story, but re-create the moments.

But I'm still amateur, barely working with Audacity.

LMAO

It's a male, I won't go into detail, but this thread does reveal his identity, clearly, lol.

There are about 30 people total that would be needed. 15 for the begging and 15 for the end. Because there was a huge split in ages of Dust. .before and after fan fest

I sat through Cubs diplomacy a number of times. It was hilarious. There were two options: cooperate or be annihilated. It took until our "What the French run" to be taken seriously, but after that point, our group had decent sway with movado. The stb vs imps matches probably helped too. Anyone in TP( at the time) could tell the whole story; that's the kind of outfit we were running.

Regardless, I have a bit of knowledge about a few significant events. Amongst the people who still pop in, I'd say Zatara alone is more familiar with the EoN. War(Zat was always the favored link runner), and Sota and Kane with DNS donut. If someone is making an effort to compile The History of Dust, I am here to help.

TP not mentioned as the GOAT?

are you smoking some kinda new just dubbs?

No one who knows wtf they are talking about would argue TP is the GOAT in PC history. TP is still the GOAT in my book. AE would place 2nd.

I personally think FA is third all time with OH 4th.

And EoN followed by NF with DNS excluded for obvious reasons are the greatest alliances of PC history.

Renegade and TSO is actually more of a toss up in my book.

I have a huge archive of old pictures. Chromosome pictures. The beginning of PC and a lot of fights. Only i can see them and im glad i did. I have all of dust's PC history in its entirety on the palm of my hands. I can see who is being biased here. I just wanna point something out to YDUBBS. I know that he is in my corp and has high views of EoN since he was in it but do not say that TP was this dominant force for three months when i have pictures of AE and TP butting heads equally.

I know, I just remember that one was pretty great

I haven't been around since the beginning, but I can give a brief history of what I remember. When I joined, NS was on top. They were a goddamn powerhouse. No one could even hope to touch them. I didn't really see much activity in MH until I joined Capital though. Being the first corp I joined that actually bothered to PC I was blown away by the skill of these guys. This isn't just me talking out of my ass either. Capital actually held the most MH for a period of time, but we'll get to that later.

At some point in time ERA took the most of MH. I don't really recall exactly when, but I know that a lot of the big corps were in the same Alliance. "Big blue donut" it was called. **** started brewing when AE. left the Alliance though. Whether or not they were kicked, or left is not known to me. I just know that a lot of the corps left.

Later on Capital started getting into a lot of fights with O.H. I hear that at the time O.H. was on DL's payroll. It was never very serious though, and rarely were districts actually flipped. However, somehow the fighting forged a bond, and the two corps teamed up to wipe out ERA. We took 13 districts in one day. I personally participated in 5-6 PCs that day.

After that, nothing really happened that was noteworthy for awhile. Capital lost it's leadership, and we were dormant for the longest time. I don't know if it was before or after we went silent that we managed to take most of MH, but we started giving it away to smaller corps.

Now, AE. has returned, and I honestly don't know the future of Dust. To me personally, it seems like corps are rising and dying faster than ever.

Oh my god, does it matter? No! The point is, the general history, not backroom politics. At some point DNS was in charge. It died, and Tso's took over. It died. Somewhere along the way FA had the most districts, and then Cap had the most districts.

Let's make sure we all agree on the big points before arguing about who did, or said what.

This guy always fails to mention that red star was like the DDB of eon.

1. What The French
2. SVER True Blood
3. Nyain Sain
4. The Southern Legion

-Hellstorm (Kujo era)
-Outer Heaven
-PFB
-Imperfects-Negative Feedback
-Seraphim Initiative

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People always seem to forget how deep EoN.s roster was. When the LoI war started, we went into it assuming that the Hellstorm/TP matches were going to be somewhat of a push and that the rest of the alliance would dominate everyone else. Those matches were not a push and the war ended rather quickly, mostly on the back of the remaining players of the rest of the alliance.

EoN. was already starting to burn out at that point... At the end of the chronos war was probably the peak of the alliances power across all corps. TP just surged a little later because we were nuts and had 13-14 guys that could make every single match and wanted to play 4-5 battles a night for 3-4 months... Probably why we get more credit than we deserve for EoN.s success, we had a great deal of visibility.

Pro Hic was pretty good. In early PC they had the only MD user that was better than me with the weapon. Alldin was better in beta, rug was overrated, and Kaughst wasn't really on the scene at that point. We still beat them handily, but they put up a much better fight than most of the guys in ROFL and the rest of LoI.

For the record, Kaughst was the best mass driver user to play the game. It was so underpowered at the start of uprising that nobody else really used it in PC except for me and gloogloo(WTF). I liked it because it killed uplinks well. Nobody else did because Caldari Logi was king.

Never crossed any of the involved groups minds until at least a year later. Not saying that you guys didn't come into your own, just that it the timeline isn't close.

Cap was actually pretty decent. Leagues better than KEQ at their peaks. As much as I like to degrade KEQ due to their spineless leadership, I saw them come very close to beating synergy on green mushroom 4 point during the FEC war. KEQ approached the map with a very sound strategy of heavy city presence with emphasis underneath the mushroom and it took synergy a long time respond with a 2+1 outside/inside control counterpunch. Movado was telling people to do the right things, but it just wasn't happening... The main difference between a TP match and the one I witnessed and took part in on that day, is that we had uplinks EVERYWHERE. Synergy's slayers were roughly equal, and their tankers almost undoubtedly as strong or stronger than ours, but there was a serious deficiency in terms of team members enabling the group to change strategies on the fly. Uplinks were more important than killing by at least 3:1 back then. For every good uplink placed or killed, it was as important as killing 3 average PC players.

Imagine if Teamplayers weren't in EoN

DNS was when I first became active in PC. It seems I missed all of the really good stuff. Well, except for absolutely destroying ERA. How do you destroy a corp? Take away 13 districts in one day, that's how.

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Albeit I see people like ydubbs here saying everything after X time is meaningless....eyes of the beholder. As long as one carries the flag, does its colors mean nothing to those who march behind it?

Because their primary means of stranglehold to ensure success was full exploitation of most every mechanic possible to not have to actually fight? **** like spamming mass attacks to take a whole team into an empty battle while avoiding any populated or actively monitored ones? Or spamming whatever the most broken/exploitative fit was available after any patch? Relying on total game-break glitches like the LAV glitch to not just win but avoid fairly earned losses? Because the only time or reason they rose to anything that could be considered a grip on PC is after they're basically the only people still playing the game at all anymore? I mean **** man, I fkn PWN at monopoly when I play solo. And don't even get me started on Command and Conquer when it's to 4 players and I am all 4, table flips and all.

They earned their no-prize.

Well, I don't claim to be any sort of be-all end-all of PC but I for my active PC period never saw a strong team. The couple times they actually fought I did see a whole lot of one-dimensional fotm spam tho. And definitely saw a lot of peek-a-boo games deployed in battles they were no-showing while they tried to scout out an empty match to load 16 into.

By "only people playing" I do mean literally the only people playing. Any point along the DUST timeline can be use as a litmus for the "successful because everyone left" arguement rhetorically except for when the active player numbers actually support it. Pre or post the Rogue Wedding, for example. Difference between that and this tho is the active playerbase numbers are so low now, soooooo low, that there's not even a contest. It's a win by default.

Which to the original question is why nobody in their right mind applauds their "success" that way. It undermines the definition of success in competition and equates mere (albeit sustained) participation to viable, active competition. Hell, trophys all around in that case, my NPC corp owned Molden Heath in that case.

Fwiw, I think if there's going to be timeline correlations to events (totally worthwhile for context) those should probably be the larger external RL events that shaped the game like say, Pre Uprising-Uprising (for the old guard, betaperiod stuff) Uprising-Rouge Wedding (for the actual release stuff) Rouge Wedding-Server Close announcement (for the post RW period). Even several months prior to closure announcement tho playerbase numbers were in steep decline. But as a general breakdown, that encompasses the vast majority of viable playing period, marks the biggest shifts imo without delving too far into the Nerf/Buff update meta carousel that occurred and leaves plenty of room to showcase everyone ever involved in MH/PC and where notable also discuss those metachanges and how they affected groups individually.

The couple months prior and this post Closure announcement period is very epilogual, worthy of inclusion as well but in exactly that sort of context. The Epilogue.

Yeah, happened to tune in and just saw that. I'm not sure which one I find funnier, the irony of the source or the soundbite clip that took me down memory lane. There's memories and/or footage of everybody losing maybe even losing hard at some point. CAP worked to achieve, SOG has worked to achieve, that's a given. Quality work produces quality results tho and I guess, really, thats the only difference between your interpretation or mine. Although even then we are both cognizant and respectful of the relative time frames (which is always a factor) since, as any craftsman can attest, timing is always a factor in achieving quality. Just as circumstance is always a factor when evaluating results.

In many ways that post Rogue Wedding period is arguably a more challenging period to have risen to the top in since a huge piece of that already experienced playerbase quit. Leaving the playing field a little more even and success more reliant on skill with tactics and strategies versus simple SP domination. Not to discredit the beta groups but there can't be much denial about that SP and what it meant in matches between pre-Uprising combatants and post-Uprising combatants. That's just that RPG thing: play more, skill more, be/do more.

Just as the argument about success in the full decline period. There's just significantly fewer players total. Very significantly fewer total. After a certain point the effect of that change in circumstance can't be neglected.

Which may be part of Shep's point about the standard-bearers who subsist. Built of the remains of one or a thousand, does the banner mean any less to those who'll still carry it? And should it mean any less to those who see it from afar? I could be totally wrong, Shepherd's a bigboy, he can explain himself. But as far as historical records go, so long as the timeframes are there for the results evaluations and the results themselves are accurate all the history really needs is accurate transposition. Accuracy of internal dramatics included.


Rereading the last couple pages on this I don't think we're really in much disagreement about conclusions. Just which sets of parameters are framing and defining them. Molden Heath/PC and what the corps who've been there and what those leaderships and players did while they were there speak for themselves.