And you never should. It's not the fact that players do protostomp, it's the fact that they can. Whether it be funded by PC ISK, successful trading, a couple years worth of winnings adding up or just being extremely efficient in a PRO setup, the fact is that it's the game that allows a decent chunk of vets to almost constantly run significantly superior gear.

EVE is the same way.

If you're successful and can afford it, I think you should be able to run whatever the hell you want.

And you never should. It's not the fact that players do protostomp, it's the fact that they can. Whether it be funded by PC ISK, successful trading, a couple years worth of winnings adding up or just being extremely efficient in a PRO setup, the fact is that it's the game that allows a decent chunk of vets to almost constantly run significantly superior gear.

EVE is the same way.

If you're successful and can afford it, I think you should be able to run whatever the hell you want.

As keeps being said over and over, the gear you use doesn't make a damn difference against people who are just good. I never use anything below Prototype and I have a 1.13 KD because I'm only good at vehicles but play infantry most of the time.

To everyone saying that squads are the main contributor to pubstomping:

Every other FPS has a squad mechanic of some sort or another, what makes the mechanic so broken in Dust that it's able to cause such frequent and severe stomps?

If players can't/refuse to squad how is that our fault? I agree here!

Just because a merc refuses to squad doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to. You wanna play solo you take the risk of being stomped. This is a team tactical shooter where teamwork is encouraged!

...Squads play to benefit the squad and rarely give a crap about the team as a whole. This is one of the main reasons I hate squads.

If squads played as a team they would make just as much sacrifice to assist a blueberry as they would to assist a squadmate.

I have been in squads before where my squad abandoned our entire team as well as abandoned me all because they didn't want to risk getting wrecked by the competition we were facing.

Public Matches- High Security Space, meta level locked at 20-25.

Factional Matches- Low Security Space, meta level locked at 60

Special Contracts- Null Security Space, Meta level unlocked.

PC Contracts- Mix of Null & Low security protocals, Meta Level Unlocked.

This should do something to protect nooks

And btw, I'm not good with Meta numbers, this is just a guess/estimate.

Academy- Extends to about 800K WP. Includes tutorials on how to operate the skill trre, operate vehicles, learn about dropsuits, weapons and learn to operate the squad finder.

Pro stompers don't care about the community. They care about themselves.

Also, they're are players that squad up and step up to the challenge against pro stompers. I do it all the time with a strong squad. Those stompers hate me, or any player with the backbone to fight back in equal gear.

They claim they want new players, and want the game to grow. In reality they don't want a challenge. They just want more targets, and shorter Queues lol!

That's why alot of them run mods. They're not actually that good. If they were they wouldn't mod. It's really quite simple.

What's broken in this game more than proto stomping is the lack of team work! Before complaining about stomps get in squad ffs! You guys cry about this solo mode bs because you lack teamwork and tactics. You don't want to think or slow down enough to work together. You should see some of these "PC" teams now lol! Guys substituting tactics and teamwork for mods and glitches lol!

I call it the domination syndrome! If anything, every mode should have friendly fire! I mean just the other day I was playing a PC where I was thankful I was Gallente for my rep bonus lol! I had pubstars leaping around with Mass drivers and Bons shotguns smh. I spent more time running away from undisciplined panic fire than I did the enemy lol ...

P.F.T.C. ... CCP, every noobs isn't ready for every weapon. There should be a certain level of tactical play reached before you can unlock bon's, core Nade, and MD's lol! Js

The playerbase lacks tactics and control, especially in PC. I got it, guys have mods and use glitches, but it doesn't make them unstoppable. I believe it causes lag, but all these overly biased tech wannabes keep claiming it's all CCP's fault lol! *shrugs*

All things equal, if they didn't use mods alot of you will still lose because you never work together in the 1st darn place?! You run pubs all day, mostly dom, then squad up 16 deep, tell dumb*ss jokes, make stupid racial comments, and lose horribly?! Promptly after getting completely redlined you return to dom to make yourself feel better by camping a roof with a MD lol!

While you're complaining about guys who proto stomp, you've failed to realized your true problem. A serious lack of communication!

I've been running with friends, conversing, and helping some newer players with fits and tactics in my channel "fighthouse". Anyone can join and chit chat. Everyone is welcome! All I ask is keep the topics on the game, and the hate to a minimum. For vets who truly want to help new players, or players looking for solid advice. The chat isn't password protected, and is open to anyone.

In the last couple of days we've discussed tons of tactics, dropsuits, and vehicles. Helping me, or really me helping him, is Tread loudly 2 and a few others dropping in and out. We just discuss tactics and run squad. Talk about all sorts of stuff, and I've found out that alot of players just don't know tons! To any new players out there... READ THE STATS!

Look if you guys are looking for an easy game go play COD.... or play dom?!

If you want to get into some challenging fights learn to work as a team, and play FW and PC.

All I ask is you don't take away the game the rest of us love because you're too lazy to read, and too socially awkward to squad.

Now I know the modding is a nuisance, believe me, but honestly you guys allow it more than CCP! Just don't play with or against them. *shrugs*

Guys complain about guys leaving battle, but honestly I don't blame them sometimes. I'm not playing repeated matches against kaizuka sniper lol! Not gone happen. He's gotta log off at some point, and dust isn't my job. When he's gone or bored of waiting for someone to cheat, he'll leave. *shrugs*

While we wait for CCP to realize the playerbase is dwindling, let's help mitigate the bs. It may take CCP awhile to realize the community is against such activity. It took them forever to figure out that the community actually wanted to keep this game alive lol! So bare with them on the issue.

In the meantime just know that some poor saps in this game have been tricked, like black people and nikes, into believing KD is more than just a number on the TV screen lol! Let em have it I say!

If you want the game to be better than help out, and stop complaining just to complain.

So this seems like a decent example and you've kinda explained how squads create stomps - when players are squadded they're less likely to help the random blueberries that are getting piled on (and I guess you could also say they're also more likely to pile on lone redberries). But you didn't really explain how this is a unique situation to squads in Dust, which is what I'm really asking about. What is it about Dust that creates this behavior from squads, and why don't we see this behavior from squads in other FPSs?

That I am not going to be able to answer. I'm not really a true gamer so I don't have much experience with other games. Over the past ten years I have played Madden, Call of Duty, and now Dust514; and that is not to say that I have been playing video games consistently throughout those ten years either. I probably have only played videogames for 5 of those ten years and in no way consecutively.

I played a lot of Zelda when I was little though.

And you never should. It's not the fact that players do protostomp, it's the fact that they can. Whether it be funded by PC ISK, successful trading, a couple years worth of winnings adding up or just being extremely efficient in a PRO setup, the fact is that it's the game that allows a decent chunk of vets to almost constantly run significantly superior gear.

Doesn't mean diddly sqaut that a suit a protostomper wears is worth nor than my paycheck,buy it doesn't make it invincible. Road kill,mass driver,shotgun,locus,and remote explosive can kill it.