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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.11 22:04:00 -
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Pro stompers don't care about the community. They care about themselves.
Also, they're are players that squad up and step up to the challenge against pro stompers. I do it all the time with a strong squad. Those stompers hate me, or any player with the backbone to fight back in equal gear.
They claim they want new players, and want the game to grow. In reality they don't want a challenge. They just want more targets, and shorter Queues lol!
That's why alot of them run mods. They're not actually that good. If they were they wouldn't mod. It's really quite simple.
What's broken in this game more than proto stomping is the lack of team work! Before complaining about stomps get in squad ffs! You guys cry about this solo mode bs because you lack teamwork and tactics. You don't want to think or slow down enough to work together. You should see some of these "PC" teams now lol! Guys substituting tactics and teamwork for mods and glitches lol!
I call it the domination syndrome! If anything, every mode should have friendly fire! I mean just the other day I was playing a PC where I was thankful I was Gallente for my rep bonus lol! I had pubstars leaping around with Mass drivers and Bons shotguns smh. I spent more time running away from undisciplined panic fire than I did the enemy lol ...
P.F.T.C. ... CCP, every noobs isn't ready for every weapon. There should be a certain level of tactical play reached before you can unlock bon's, core Nade, and MD's lol! Js
The playerbase lacks tactics and control, especially in PC. I got it, guys have mods and use glitches, but it doesn't make them unstoppable. I believe it causes lag, but all these overly biased tech wannabes keep claiming it's all CCP's fault lol! *shrugs*
All things equal, if they didn't use mods alot of you will still lose because you never work together in the 1st darn place?! You run pubs all day, mostly dom, then squad up 16 deep, tell dumb*ss jokes, make stupid racial comments, and lose horribly?! Promptly after getting completely redlined you return to dom to make yourself feel better by camping a roof with a MD lol!
While you're complaining about guys who proto stomp, you've failed to realized your true problem. A serious lack of communication!
I've been running with friends, conversing, and helping some newer players with fits and tactics in my channel "fighthouse". Anyone can join and chit chat. Everyone is welcome! All I ask is keep the topics on the game, and the hate to a minimum. For vets who truly want to help new players, or players looking for solid advice. The chat isn't password protected, and is open to anyone.
In the last couple of days we've discussed tons of tactics, dropsuits, and vehicles. Helping me, or really me helping him, is Tread loudly 2 and a few others dropping in and out. We just discuss tactics and run squad. Talk about all sorts of stuff, and I've found out that alot of players just don't know tons! To any new players out there... READ THE STATS!
Look if you guys are looking for an easy game go play COD.... or play dom?!
If you want to get into some challenging fights learn to work as a team, and play FW and PC.
All I ask is you don't take away the game the rest of us love because you're too lazy to read, and too socially awkward to squad.
Now I know the modding is a nuisance, believe me, but honestly you guys allow it more than CCP! Just don't play with or against them. *shrugs*
Guys complain about guys leaving battle, but honestly I don't blame them sometimes. I'm not playing repeated matches against kaizuka sniper lol! Not gone happen. He's gotta log off at some point, and dust isn't my job. When he's gone or bored of waiting for someone to cheat, he'll leave. *shrugs*
While we wait for CCP to realize the playerbase is dwindling, let's help mitigate the bs. It may take CCP awhile to realize the community is against such activity. It took them forever to figure out that the community actually wanted to keep this game alive lol! So bare with them on the issue.
In the meantime just know that some poor saps in this game have been tricked, like black people and nikes, into believing KD is more than just a number on the TV screen lol! Let em have it I say!
If you want the game to be better than help out, and stop complaining just to complain.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.12 04:50:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:There is no reason not to have pubs be the solo mode. Solo does not mean "no teamwork". Comms are not needed to understand what to do or what the rest of the team are trying to do. Most of the times comms suck, esp with new players. There is no reason for premade stomp squads to be allowed to play against players in pubs with players that havea totally different mentality about the game and different preference for gameplay. AndGǪ
NO REASON TO LIMIT THE GAME TO A CERTAIN CUSTOMER BASE.
Wait.... what?
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.12 14:42:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Pro stompers don't care about the community. They care about themselves.
Also, they're are players that squad up and step up to the challenge against pro stompers. I do it all the time with a strong squad. Those stompers hate me, or any player with the backbone to fight back in equal gear.
They claim they want new players, and want the game to grow. In reality they don't want a challenge. They just want more targets, and shorter Queues lol!
That's why alot of them run mods. They're not actually that good. If they were they wouldn't mod. It's really quite simple.
What's broken in this game more than proto stomping is the lack of team work! Before complaining about stomps get in squad ffs! You guys cry about this solo mode bs because you lack teamwork and tactics. You don't want to think or slow down enough to work together. You should see some of these "PC" teams now lol! Guys substituting tactics and teamwork for mods and glitches lol!
I call it the domination syndrome! If anything, every mode should have friendly fire! I mean just the other day I was playing a PC where I was thankful I was Gallente for my rep bonus lol! I had pubstars leaping around with Mass drivers and Bons shotguns smh. I spent more time running away from undisciplined panic fire than I did the enemy lol ...
P.F.T.C. ... CCP, every noobs isn't ready for every weapon. There should be a certain level of tactical play reached before you can unlock bon's, core Nade, and MD's lol! Js
The playerbase lacks tactics and control, especially in PC. I got it, guys have mods and use glitches, but it doesn't make them unstoppable. I believe it causes lag, but all these overly biased tech wannabes keep claiming it's all CCP's fault lol! *shrugs*
All things equal, if they didn't use mods alot of you will still lose because you never work together in the 1st darn place?! You run pubs all day, mostly dom, then squad up 16 deep, tell dumb*ss jokes, make stupid racial comments, and lose horribly?! Promptly after getting completely redlined you return to dom to make yourself feel better by camping a roof with a MD lol!
While you're complaining about guys who proto stomp, you've failed to realized your true problem. A serious lack of communication!
I've been running with friends, conversing, and helping some newer players with fits and tactics in my channel "fighthouse". Anyone can join and chit chat. Everyone is welcome! All I ask is keep the topics on the game, and the hate to a minimum. For vets who truly want to help new players, or players looking for solid advice. The chat isn't password protected, and is open to anyone.
In the last couple of days we've discussed tons of tactics, dropsuits, and vehicles. Helping me, or really me helping him, is Tread loudly 2 and a few others dropping in and out. We just discuss tactics and run squad. Talk about all sorts of stuff, and I've found out that alot of players just don't know tons! To any new players out there... READ THE STATS!
Look if you guys are looking for an easy game go play COD.... or play dom?!
If you want to get into some challenging fights learn to work as a team, and play FW and PC.
All I ask is you don't take away the game the rest of us love because you're too lazy to read, and too socially awkward to squad.
Now I know the modding is a nuisance, believe me, but honestly you guys allow it more than CCP! Just don't play with or against them. *shrugs*
Guys complain about guys leaving battle, but honestly I don't blame them sometimes. I'm not playing repeated matches against kaizuka sniper lol! Not gone happen. He's gotta log off at some point, and dust isn't my job. When he's gone or bored of waiting for someone to cheat, he'll leave. *shrugs*
While we wait for CCP to realize the playerbase is dwindling, let's help mitigate the bs. It may take CCP awhile to realize the community is against such activity. It took them forever to figure out that the community actually wanted to keep this game alive lol! So bare with them on the issue.
In the meantime just know that some poor saps in this game have been tricked, like black people and nikes, into believing KD is more than just a number on the TV screen lol! Let em have it I say!
If you want the game to be better than help out, and stop complaining just to complain.
The playerbase is dwindling because in May 2014 CCP, after months of building up Fan Fest, told us they were abandoning Dust for a new game called Legion. Then they went silent. Rattati has given us some hope, but we lose people because people buy new stuff. When people buy new stuff, they use that new stuff. It's a freaking miracle we have the playerbase we have now, but it will only continue to shrink as people interpret silence for the end. It's only rational to assume the silence means that the reaction to CCP's intentions for Dust would kill the game entirely. Aside from crackheads like myself who will be here until the end.
The fact that killing guys like kaizuka and noneck should come with achievements has nothing to do with it, I know lol! The guys Boundless combat rifle fires like a six kin, but that's definitely not why guys leave battles and log off....
Not saying it's the whole reason, but that bs ain't helping at all when it comes to NPE.
The modding has to go even if they port the game.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.13 13:52:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I just don't like the feel that i have to go out of my way and limit myself in order to fix this game. And you never should. It's not the fact that players do protostomp, it's the fact that they can. Whether it be funded by PC ISK, successful trading, a couple years worth of winnings adding up or just being extremely efficient in a PRO setup, the fact is that it's the game that allows a decent chunk of vets to almost constantly run significantly superior gear. EVE is the same way. If you're successful and can afford it, I think you should be able to run whatever the hell you want. What you're saying here is 'it works in Eve so it should work in Dust'. I can see how you could get to that conclusion but I don't think it's that simple. In Eve, you pick your fights. You fly around looking for a fight with your scout one jump ahead of you d-scanning as they go. You're looking for something to engage that you're likely to win against. If it's been a long roam you'll usually extend that to someone you might win against. When your scout finds a suitable target, you get the warpin, and you hope the bad guys are willing to engage - picking your fights in Eve works the other way around, too. You don't just sit there. You stay aligned to something and watch your d-scan. If something that's likely to stomp you shows up you GTFO. When the stars align and the guys you got the warpin on stick around to engage, it's usually because both sides think they have a chance at winning. You've found the elusive gudfight. To make your 'EVE is the same way' comparison work, we'd have to change a few things. We'd have to spawn new players in nullsec in a T1 fit Rifter. Every gate would be bubbled and camped. Sure, some of the bad guys would be in Rifters as well, but there's also a bunch of bad guys in Faction fit Garmurs. If the new player wants to 'play', they have to go to a gate and fight at some stage. How long do you think the new player would last? How many new players do you think Eve would hold onto if that was the NPE?
Agree 100%
Personally think the academy should be longer and more information extensive. The learning curve in dust is insane! Straight up 90-¦ curve! I'm running a channel called 'fighthouse' where I'm taking the time to teach and help newer players learn to benefit from their roles more. Scouts actually learning to be scouts, assaults working together with mandos, how to use small turrets on vehicles, how to turn pubs and FW into positive income, etc.
Half the reason the same 10% are the only ones in PC is because of this learning curve. All they did was watch a saxonmish vid, and start thinking they could do that lol! The fundamentals get skipped over way too often, and they don't read the stats.
NPE suffers because the "HTFU" mentality, while necessary, has been taken a little too far.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.13 22:07:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:What we need is two types of contracts, a below 35 meta level pub that pays the same as current pubs and an anything goes meta level contract with higher pay.
I can agree to that once every other option has been exhausted, and it's proven that this is the only way. As it stands now I'm finding that most of these "new players" we're referring to are being tossed to the wolves a little to early?!
The time spent in academy is too short. While it has been increased before, it is still no where near enough time to expect a new player to be capable of dealing g with such a curve alone. They don't understand turrets, flying in this game is complicated as all hell, and vehicles in general have both active and passive mods to monitor. That's just the vehicles!
Dropsuits of different classes, races, and bonuses. Let's stop pretending that just because we've been playing for years they should be getting this immediately. I did not understand tons of this in the beginning either.
I think CCP has alot of work to do as far as NPE goes, and while they have improved it a great deal from where it was, I still believe we as a community have a long way to go. If we want new players to stay we have to be proactive! Take a new guy under your wing!
As for CCP they have so much they're still trying to fix til I feel they just haven't had time to focus on player retention. Balancing rifles and dropsuits has proven a real task. AV v vehicles has still been an issue, and fixing PC, lag, glitches, etc...
Their hands are full, truly. So until then it's up to us I feel. Me personally, I don't care about kd, and I quite enjoy talking stats and tactics so training in small groups is always fun. Would love to see how you guys are helping out some of the new guys.
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.13 23:46:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:To everyone saying that squads are the main contributor to pubstomping:
Every other FPS has a squad mechanic of some sort or another, what makes the mechanic so broken in Dust that it's able to cause such frequent and severe stomps?
If players can't/refuse to squad how is that our fault? I agree here!
Just because a merc refuses to squad doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to. You wanna play solo you take the risk of being stomped. This is a team tactical shooter where teamwork is encouraged!
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.14 00:00:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Oh if only!
If only there were a single stat that earmarked the stompers and allowed for a stacking algorithm that kept them playing each other while the people who didn't routinely stomp were left in peace to have complex nuanced matches that were almost always close and hotly-contested!
But alas, it just isn't so.
Pity.
I understand, but we can't expect CCP to fix literally everything before we try to let players step up to the challenge. I barely play pubs because blues and reds alike quit far too soon when they still have 100+ clones!
What's needed is a better experience in training from the start of the game. The academy is too short!
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.14 03:27:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:To everyone saying that squads are the main contributor to pubstomping:
Every other FPS has a squad mechanic of some sort or another, what makes the mechanic so broken in Dust that it's able to cause such frequent and severe stomps? If players can't/refuse to squad how is that our fault? I agree here! Just because a merc refuses to squad doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to. You wanna play solo you take the risk of being stomped. This is a team tactical shooter where teamwork is encouraged! Then why don't squads actively play as a team? Squads play to benefit the squad and rarely give a crap about the team as a whole. This is one of the main reasons I hate squads. If squads played as a team they would make just as much sacrifice to assist a blueberry as they would to assist a squadmate. I have been in squads before where my squad abandoned our entire team as well as abandoned me all because they didn't want to risk getting wrecked by the competition we were facing.
Last time I'd squad with those p*ssies lol!
I agree, but squads in pubs are four members?! I think the playerbase is choosing not to squad, at least in pubs, because they can't take 6 man wrecking crews anymore. They have to calm down and play tactical, and help the blues out too. This is why I agree with the 4 man fire teams! This was supposed to help stop stomps, but it back fired?! CCP forgot how petty players in this community could be lol! Now they just don't squad at all?!
You gotta admit alot of these guys just don't wanna do the work to squad. I quite enjoy it! I like working as a team! I'm under no illusion that I'm some solo bad ass so I squad up bruh! I need the help, and comms is great!
4 man squads are great if you do it right, but it requires so much more on communication and tactics! It's so much more fun knowing the other team only has 4 man squads as well! The possibilities are endless!
As far as helping the blues go I believe my squad working as a team, and bringing links, scans, tanks, dropships, and teamwork to the team, helps! Remember! 4 man squads can only do so much! We need you to bring another 4 man squad lol!
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:46:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:To everyone saying that squads are the main contributor to pubstomping:
Every other FPS has a squad mechanic of some sort or another, what makes the mechanic so broken in Dust that it's able to cause such frequent and severe stomps? If players can't/refuse to squad how is that our fault? I agree here! Just because a merc refuses to squad doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to. You wanna play solo you take the risk of being stomped. This is a team tactical shooter where teamwork is encouraged! Then why don't squads actively play as a team? Squads play to benefit the squad and rarely give a crap about the team as a whole. This is one of the main reasons I hate squads. If squads played as a team they would make just as much sacrifice to assist a blueberry as they would to assist a squadmate. I have been in squads before where my squad abandoned our entire team as well as abandoned me all because they didn't want to risk getting wrecked by the competition we were facing. Many times you are tempted to spread out to cover 3 points in a skirmish to win a match. After getting no effort from blues over and over again a squad is likely to hold one objective and go for kills. This is an asset loss game, 4 people shouldn't be expected to carry a match.
Exactly! Guys gotta start squading up!
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