Simple.
This happens with every game imbalance. Every time. Without fail.
I wouldn't be surprised if the track the quitting and afking as an indication of OP performance.
What you demand is action.

Ccp has responded with hotfix four.

Then they will check the results of that and respond again.

Back in the day they didnt tweak. They swung the nerfbat. Entire roles were destroyed overnight. Weapons were rendered unusable overnight.

Most of us prefer the 'wait and see' approach when compared to the horrors of the bat.

Its painful, No question, and we all feel it.

I personally run with a lot of people from the big name corps. These squads are not as coordinated as you think. It's usually just people talking with friends and they happen to be playing Dust.

I personally run with a lot of people from the big name corps. These squads are not as coordinated as you think. It's usually just people talking with friends and they happen to be playing Dust.

BS that the Hotfix will "fix" anything. After 4 months this is all the news. A Lame, boring, yet pathetic Hotfix. This should of been released months ago but Noooo CCP likes to release stuff at the end = pisses off the community even more.

I'm betting on what will be broken once this Hotfix arrives.
I expect a full HP bull to all tanks.

Making Mass Driver and Meele damage to AV = wtf the meele is a joke. What idiot thought it was a perfect idea to damage tanks with meele.

It's time to break the crutches so that the game can grow and attract more then it has at any point in time , why make all these " changes and improvements " if it's only for those who are already here .?. if it's ported with the same system that's in place , it really doesn't matter because your going to run into the same results .

So your basic premise is that forming squads in a game that essentially places players into teams with the express intent to achieve a specific set of goals is 'a crutch'?

Then at the same time you infer that those who are in these squads by their very nature 'do not care about the game' and that this is actually a problem and one that is totally unique to Dust 514.

Do you also want chat to be removed? because to coordinate you need communication. Seriously the only reason this game has been going this long is because of its social interactivity. If PC was more rewarding to low-mid tier players we would see less pub stomping. Just look at the DK market that thing is a joke.

I don't think I have ever seen a post from you that was not a quarter mile long. I don't know whether to be impressed or scared, but at least you're dedicated to your opinions.

Now, to get on subject. I would have agreed with you back when squad sizes were six. Almost half the scoreboard? Yeah, your guys could easily stomp if you knew how to work together and the opposing team was entirely randoms/their squad wasn't as good. But nowadays? With a squad size of four? I don't know how things are for you, but squad sizes are perfect for pubs right now. You can bring in friends to fight together, you're a strong enough force to turn the tide if you try for it, but you aren't enough on your own to completely own the match. And I've got to agree with Xavier here. A lot of people squadding up in pubs aren't the tactically minded individuals you take them to be. Even among corpmates and friends, whether we're completely owning the field or getting our asses stomped, pretty much all we do is talk to each other. Before I joined Corsy and started actually communicating with other people I always dreaded an obvious squad on the other team, because, like you, I thought it was basically an immediate ass whooping because they would all be communicating and actually supporting each other, and blah, blah, blah.

And then I joined my corp, got to actually talk with and even squad with several people who I thought were really serious players and, can you guess? They're just people who like playing the game, are kinda good at it, and because they're squadded up they can help each other out better. Aside from that? **** talk for days. It's hilarious looking back on it, but I actually started out talking these people in squad chat trying to be serious and tactical and their general response was 'oh, cool, okay'. Now? 'Hey, there's a tank on Alpha. Who wants to see how bad I can **** him off?' Spent an entire three minutes just chasing him and jumping on top of him and dodging his rail gun and it was god damn hilarious.

Radiant Pancak3 and I even pulled out **** fit MinSents with dual Scrambler Pistols to just **** with people once. We still did decently that match, we still won that match, but there was no coordination at all. We were just ******* around and enjoying ourselves.

But even completely disregarding all that, Dust 514 is still a team based 'tactical' game, whatever that word even means anymore. Suggesting that people who work together are ruining the game is downright silly, because it's the people who are refusing to work together that are pulling themselves down, and their teams with them. Yeah, people who squad up can be a pretty strong deciding factor in a match. But can you imagine how matches would go if everyone were squadded up and actually trying their best, rather than just a single squad on one team and a bunch of randoms on the other? The people who are squadding up are the ones who are playing the game right. The people who are squadding up are the ones who are actually trying to improve the game. It's the people who outright, blatantly refuse to work together with anyone that are making this game suck.

I mean, your signature even says it. "Teamwork is really important."

Now, on the other hand, if I'm just completely misunderstanding what you're saying and you aren't complaining about squads, but people trying to q-sync in pubs to field up to 8 people in a single match, yeah, that's absolute bull **** and totally stupid. But I haven't encountered that issue at all since squad sizes got reduced, and I imagine that it's both rare and at least mildly difficult to pull off.

I don't think he even hinted that. Ever listen to team chat? It's usually some guys ranting or the screaming kids of possibly a parent trying to ignore them. DK market... Do you think top corps would ever use that garbage? They have billions of isk being generated weekly using anything below proto is most likely frowned upon... You might lower the Corp kd/wl ratio bringing shame

I don't think he even hinted that. Ever listen to team chat? It's usually some guys ranting or the screaming kids of possibly a parent trying to ignore them. DK market... Do you think top corps would ever use that garbage? They have billions of isk being generated weekly using anything below proto is most likely frowned upon... You might lower the Corp kd/wl ratio bringing shame

Top corps are busy making isk and shelling out paychecks around 20m isk to their players but the DK market i thought it would something that grabbed people's attention towards PC. Even if it did we would have people complaining saying that why does the DK market have the best gear or the coolest looking gear. Literally we can't do anything cool because there is always some scrubs complaining about how it is not for them even though they don't try.

Lol, we have meetings where we yell at people who were spotted using ADV.

Those people don't get their alloted billions that week. We never ask where the ISK comes from, but we sometimes wonder, being that PC hasn't been an ISK faucet for close to a year.

Lol it's still a faucet. A tiny Corp I played with was making a couple hundred million a week. I can only imagine what a.e. Has accumulated over the years.

I'm adorable.

Maybe you shouldn't be fighting if you keep losing. Ever THINK of trying other strategies?

Ppl complain because they can't go toe to toe against someone with vastly more SP and better gear.

That doesn't mean you can't kill them, it just means you lose toe to toe and get wrecked if you get caught doing stupid ****. Look at your crosshairs report and it will tell you what you are aiming at. Knowing that...you can THINK ABOUT whether or not you can kill that person heads up. If you can't...and you WANT to try to kill people...

- Bait them to you and kill them with REs. (enemy scanning will make this hard to pull off though)
- Heavy suit with primary weapon of choice to make up for HP differences at the cost of mobility.
- Use a free vehicle from Salvage and tank their face or run them down in a LAV.
- Forge Gun
- Use installation turrets.

You can't earn WP other ways? You have to shoot people? Try supporting / farming your team.

- Plant uplinks behind the enemy and around the objective.
- Drop nanohives on other players.
- Hack things away from the main battle.
- Rep tool @ everyone.

You don't get to wreck people right out of the gate here, you first practice avoidance. This is a thinking man's game not ******* Call of Duty. Everyone here managed to figure it out except for the pussies who can't see the beauty of playing in a sandbox filled with monsters. That's part of the appeal of this game...

This is Dark Souls FPS...it needs to stay evil.

It was difficult for everybody at first...and this version of DUST we are playing is much much friendlier than the old days where most of the player base was lost.

Final words of advice:

HTFU and PTFO

Simple.
This happens with every game imbalance. Every time. Without fail.
I wouldn't be surprised if the track the quitting and afking as an indication of OP performance.
What you demand is action.

Ccp has responded with hotfix four.

Then they will check the results of that and respond again.

Back in the day they didnt tweak. They swung the nerfbat. Entire roles were destroyed overnight. Weapons were rendered unusable overnight.

Most of us prefer the 'wait and see' approach when compared to the horrors of the bat.

Its painful, No question, and we all feel it.

Not sure I care.

Squad > Individual Player

Squad Play > Individual Play

My Opinion > Individualist Players Opinion.

Result: I win.

As a solo player most of the time I get where the OP is coming from. I see it all the time, squads of highly organised officer gear wearing scrubs who easily stomp noobs match after match. I guess I can't blame them, although I'm not sure how they call that fun, but the problem is essentially the way ccp has allowed matchmaking to continue. There should be a solo mode for sure, there should also be more time taken to fill proper matches. What do you expect a new player to think in the current state of the game? No game modes work except domination, and once you land one you get stomped to oblivion or wander around and do nothing while vets on your side stomp the enemy. It's stupid.

Very poor matchmaking has made for unfilled, lopsided, painfully boring matches of late. I do disagree with the OP on the hot fix topic. I am excited for FoxFour and overall have faith in rattatis ability to balance the game. However balance is just one facet of dusts problems and overall something that is missed by new players. New players want exciting close matches where they feel they can contribute. If you want to retain these players you need to find a way of achieving that.

The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.

Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.

Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad.

So here's the thing about DUST 514.

If you're looking for a fun and fair match, you've come to the wrong game. When an individual says they want a balanced match, their only lying to sound less like total tool bag. No one plays Dust for a fair game, they come here to pad stats that mean nothing so they can wave their E-peens every which way declaring "Hay look at me, my KDr is so good because I got skills!" By skill, I mean skill points, and gear that is much better then yours.

You know how some free games are pay to win? Well this game is wait to win. Once you have the right amount of skill POINTS, you're good to go, no one can stop you, except for maybe the other guys who waited just as long as you. Well, that's what the leave button is for. Besides, this game isn't built for balanced matches, it's been hand crafted just for the vet players to pad their stats all the way to their heart's content. After all, why ells would it stack the proto squads on one team and leave all the low levels on the other? Why ells would this problem persist since the start with no end, because it's not a problem, everything is working as intended.

In this game, you have two choices. You could wait to get proto, and get nothing but victories devoid of all value. Or most likely you will be the cannon fodder, nothing more then sacks of meat to feed the vets as they gorge their DKrs. All you can do is accept that you are only padding for that one stat. Since they take so much pride in their slaughters, take pride in your deaths. Is winning a match any different from losing one? So far I've never seen the difference in either outcome, you define what wining is to you. So just sit down already, and play the game how it was designed to be played; Stomp or be stomped.

welcome to New Eden.

The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.

Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.

Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad.

The reason why you get stomped all the time is probably because you suck. I have been in quite a few stomped matches where our team was done for but a few random blues and myself were wrecking the reds. This happens quite a lot. So instead of complaining go out there and work on your aim.

The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.

Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.

Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad.

I have played in matches where two squads was the opposing team and my team was total random players . Others have brought this up only to get crapped on by the community that doesn't want this system to change .

They asked , how did that happen .?. well if I had a capture card then you would have seen it but the next time this happens , I will take a pic on my phone and link it for all of you to see because it does happen where you get squads , not a squad to que on one team .

I guess if you people could see that then you might change your tune or maybe not .

So here's the thing about DUST 514.

If you're looking for a fun and fair match, you've come to the wrong game. When an individual says they want a balanced match, their only lying to sound less like total tool bag. No one plays Dust for a fair game, they come here to pad stats that mean nothing so they can wave their E-peens every which way declaring "Hay look at me, my KDr is so good because I got skills!" By skill, I mean skill points, and gear that is much better then yours.

You know how some free games are pay to win? Well this game is wait to win. Once you have the right amount of skill POINTS, you're good to go, no one can stop you, except for maybe the other guys who waited just as long as you. Well, that's what the leave button is for. Besides, this game isn't built for balanced matches, it's been hand crafted just for the vet players to pad their stats all the way to their heart's content. After all, why ells would it stack the proto squads on one team and leave all the low levels on the other? Why ells would this problem persist since the start with no end, because it's not a problem, everything is working as intended.

In this game, you have two choices. You could wait to get proto, and get nothing but victories devoid of all value. Or most likely you will be the cannon fodder, nothing more then sacks of meat to feed the vets as they gorge their DKrs. All you can do is accept that you are only padding for that one stat. Since they take so much pride in their slaughters, take pride in your deaths. Is winning a match any different from losing one? So far I've never seen the difference in either outcome, you define what wining is to you. So just sit down already, and play the game how it was designed to be played; Stomp or be stomped.

welcome to New Eden.

Not sure I care.

Squad > Individual Player

Squad Play > Individual Play

My Opinion > Individualist Players Opinion.

Result: I win.

Most of those stompers have paid their dues. Not time in match but real cash. If youve been here for years like alot of us youve spent some cash. Why would CCP snub already paying customers to net a few potential ones. This game is set up to be a vet. Put your time in and quit crying. Weve all been there.

Most of those stompers have paid their dues. Not time in match but real cash. If youve been here for years like alot of us youve spent some cash. Why would CCP snub already paying customers to net a few potential ones. This game is set up to be a vet. Put your time in and quit crying. Weve all been there.

THANK YOU!

Can everyone get it through their heads that deploying into Pubs with a group of friends isn't somehow evil just because you don't do the same thing?

I virtually NEVER play this game without a full squad. I want people to talk to and coordinate with when I play.

Are you trying to say we're all bad people unless we only queue solo?

I have to agree with you OP. What CCP does to their newest players is needless, senseless, foolish and self-destructive. We can have a hardcore game and a decent NPE, the two are not mutually exclusive. If we could do a word search on these forums i wonder how many hits we'd get for 'NPE'.

This is why the hardware/platform argument is almost pointless - if the developer is unwilling to fix the codebase, gameplay or NPE what's the point? New Platform will change none of that and sadly will not materially alter the gameplay experience of new players.

Most of those stompers have paid their dues. Not time in match but real cash. If youve been here for years like alot of us youve spent some cash. Why would CCP snub already paying customers to net a few potential ones. This game is set up to be a vet. Put your time in and quit crying. Weve all been there.

The problem isn't the FOUR, it's the fact they're in PUBS. Get it?

I said you have FW and PC's to conduct that action in but it seems like your backing that fact that this behavior is driving away potential consumers with treating pub matches like PC matches .

How do you people condone this and act like you speak for the benefit of the game ???

This is driving away growth that this game so desperately needs .

You don't see the flaws in these actions ???

Create a system of random players with the warbarge as the drop for creating squads out of the existing player pool for that particular game , you will still have squads and coms and such but just not with the people that your use to playing with .

You might help others understand the game better , you might help retain players , players might enjoy the game more , they just might understand the inner working of the game better and join corporations instead of playing in the starter corp that's assigned , it might just help this game seem like less of a grind because they will feel more interactive and want to participate more because the matches would become more balanced so they might just be willing to invest the time and effort to back what CCP is trying to accomplish .

Getting stomped match after match is not inspiring and drives away potential consumers .

People complain about NPE , well this is that NPE that this game so desperately needs , it will help newer and lesser players feel like their more apart of what's happening so you just might see players AFKing and leaving matches less .

I guess to those who are defending the system at hand , that's just too much to ask for or desire .

You know , relevance and production from growth .

Really ?? I can't say if this post is ignorant or just plain stupid.

Playing it as intended.. LOL the PC players/ex-farmers might as well have Master BPO's as they have the wealth to dispose of proto and not feel the change to their wallets .. was that intended ??? Or are you so naive as to claim "skill" in that situation?

He is talking about a Public Lobby.. go justify being a tryhard somewhere else. Thor I have enjoyed reading some of your posts in my time as a creepy forum stalker, but since you went chasing the bandwagon your posts are just blind ignorant.

Killing in an FPS = Good
Having a constant advantage in casual gamemodes = Bad

No one here is suggesting it so why can't you people stop misquoting others .

You don't have to lie to get your point across .

So you don't think joining a pub where your team might consist of 3 tankers, 4 ADS pilots, 4 snipers, 4 guys trying to complete the destroy installation mission is a random occurance that has more to do with getting stomped than the squad on the other side that's able to win the match easily?

I think you are completely missing my point. If I was in an NPC Corp I'd still have the same view. You used to see more squads. I've been complaining about this for years. I've said it many times that having a majority of solo players doing random stuff in matches removes the ability for any matchmaking system to work.

If you take squads out of pubs completely it would be the death of Dust.

To d1ck well said...
When I told one of the bigger Corp Guy's I just crossed the billion isk mark he laughed and said "that's all?" .
He went on to say someone has over 100 billion, and some have thousands of officers weapons and hundreds of officer suits.

Thor... One that's more vehicals than can be in a round. Two this imaginary match would be 1/10 rounds at best, but I guess your exaggerating to make a point.

No squads = no garenteed outcome.
No people seeing q-synces (even just full squads) = less people immediately quitting or saying "I'll just snipe this round"

Yes it's a team game but you're on a team squad or not, maybe you need to spend some time solo and see how new players feel even tho you have a fat wallet and tons of sp to buffer and lesson the pain.

It's just pubs not every mode.

Concise legitimate complaints

Brilliant...

OP makes valid points about the nature of the game, regarding new players... And someone comments, work on your 'aim'... #trollsrdicks

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I am one of the new players that Shinobi is talking about. I don't know anyone who play's the game and I downloaded it only because it was free. That's it...

There are no instructions when you start, there is nothing to say that being in a squad is important, or indeed needed...
The game really isn't that difficult to understand however, it's a FPS, based on the capture the flag game mode...


So you start, straight into the deep end...


Starter Fit vs Frame's with Ghalag's RR -- Who goings to win the fight?...

Starter AV vs Madruga Gv.0 -- Who's going to win the fight?...

Basic Gal Assault vs Minmatar Assault mk.0 with Myo's & Freedom MD -- Who's going to win the fight?...


I could go on & on...


New players do not stand a chance. Fact.

New players, playing alone, do not stand a chance. Fact.

Would a new approach to the pub match system be welcomed, YES IT WOULD!...

Should new players be in the same pool as long time Vets? Not if you want them to stay & continue to play...


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Blueberries are the life blood of the game, you need us, more than we need you...

And why is that, i hear you ask?...

Because we do play solo, we can just leave, we can just derp about behind the redline, we don't give flying fig about your Corp or Reputation, Standings, K/D or any of that rubbish, we want a fight, but we're not going to, 'walk towards the guns slowly' just because you want us too. We press, leave battle, we press, quit game, we press, delete game from ps3. It's that easy...


Anyone who feels the system works just fine the way it is, is a fool...

If you take squads out of pubs completely it would be the death of Dust.

You people are so stupid , telling people to quit , like that's helping this game to become better .

The sad part is CCP seems to feel that the old guard is more important than the new players. Even though those new players represent possible new revenue streams. So, I guess we know who the fools are.