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501st Synergy
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.07 23:07:00 -
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Not denouncing or approving, just asking,
If I can no longer play pub maTches with my friends in order to earn isk, which I need because whether you realize or not every PC player does not have billions of isk, what would you propose so that both sides win?
Wanna know why everyone sucks in pub matches save for other proto squads? You are right. Vets have a massive advantage. I am telling you now however that a lack of pub squads changes nothing. I can keep 5 people off points with Nova Knives. Kalente, Ari, and many other players could destroy you in basic gear.
Unless you wish to rip all the vet things out of dust, you need to change your proposal.
I am not going to run FW for LP on gear I dont use. I do PC on occasion, but it is rarely enjoyable because of the terrible framerate.
I run pubs so I can continue to use my gear that I have accured over two years. The argument it was a different game back then is bullsh*t. I got stomped match after match by Imperfects, STB, Hellstorm, Anonymous, etc. It only takes around 20 mil SP to become competitive. You should have a proto suit, gun, Engineering and Electronics 5, along with armor and shield upgrades. Does a new player have that? No. However it doesnt help them that they have no idea what the range of a RailRifle is or what the hell a Warbarge is for, or how to spend SP, or how stavking penalties work, or that there is even a forum. They have no idea how to join a corp, or evwn join a Squad.
You are hitting the wrong issue. If you created blues that were worth a damn, then you could overpower 4 vets. Yes, sometimes you will run into multiple squads. I have 74 mil SP. I have a video on my channel showing us against dquads and losing even though I bring out Officer and Speedhacks and links. Lag and lack of good blues is your enemy here. Once it has actually been stated in the character bios what the racial playstyle of every race is, you can try and rob me of playing alongside my friends while trying to stay financially viable
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.08 01:19:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote: THANK YOU!
Can everyone get it through their heads that deploying into Pubs with a group of friends isn't somehow evil just because you don't do the same thing?
I virtually NEVER play this game without a full squad. I want people to talk to and coordinate with when I play.
Are you trying to say we're all bad people unless we only queue solo?
I said you have FW and PC's to conduct that action in but it seems like your backing that fact that this behavior is driving away potential consumers with treating pub matches like PC matches . How do you people condone this and act like you speak for the benefit of the game ??? This is driving away growth that this game so desperately needs . You don't see the flaws in these actions ??? Create a system of random players with the warbarge as the drop for creating squads out of the existing player pool for that particular game , you will still have squads and coms and such but just not with the people that your use to playing with . You might help others understand the game better , you might help retain players , players might enjoy the game more , they just might understand the inner working of the game better and join corporations instead of playing in the starter corp that's assigned , it might just help this game seem like less of a grind because they will feel more interactive and want to participate more because the matches would become more balanced so they might just be willing to invest the time and effort to back what CCP is trying to accomplish . Getting stomped match after match is not inspiring and drives away potential consumers . People complain about NPE , well this is that NPE that this game so desperately needs , it will help newer and lesser players feel like their more apart of what's happening so you just might see players AFKing and leaving matches less . I guess to those who are defending the system at hand , that's just too much to ask for or desire . You know , relevance and production from growth . I've got no issue with bringing back WarBarge time to set up squads, but stop acting like anyone who wants to play with friends is somehow hurting the game.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.08 02:10:00 -
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Do you have ANY comprehension skills .?. if so then I suggest that you use them .
Edit : It's easy to be tough typing on a keyboard bub .
I just don't like it when people try to place words in my mouth and that's what your trying to do .
I've stated my case in point and I'm not going to even justify your comment .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.08 02:11:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.
Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.
Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad. Really ?? I can't say if this post is ignorant or just plain stupid. Playing it as intended.. LOL the PC players/ex-farmers might as well have Master BPO's as they have the wealth to dispose of proto and not feel the change to their wallets .. was that intended ??? Or are you so naive as to claim "skill" in that situation? He is talking about a Public Lobby.. go justify being a tryhard somewhere else. Thor I have enjoyed reading some of your posts in my time as a creepy forum stalker, but since you went chasing the bandwagon your posts are just blind ignorant. Killing in an FPS = Good Having a constant advantage in casual gamemodes = Bad
So you don't think joining a pub where your team might consist of 3 tankers, 4 ADS pilots, 4 snipers, 4 guys trying to complete the destroy installation mission is a random occurance that has more to do with getting stomped than the squad on the other side that's able to win the match easily?
I think you are completely missing my point. If I was in an NPC Corp I'd still have the same view. You used to see more squads. I've been complaining about this for years. I've said it many times that having a majority of solo players doing random stuff in matches removes the ability for any matchmaking system to work.
If you take squads out of pubs completely it would be the death of Dust.
Seriously, port it.
Hurry
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.08 02:14:00 -
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No one here is suggesting it so why can't you people stop misquoting others .
You don't have to lie to get your point across .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.08 03:08:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:No one here is suggesting it so why can't you people stop misquoting others .
You don't have to lie to get your point across . . Misquote? Lie?
WTF are you talking about?
Seriously, port it.
Hurry
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
1
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Posted - 2015.10.08 03:27:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.
Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.
Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad. Really ?? I can't say if this post is ignorant or just plain stupid. Playing it as intended.. LOL the PC players/ex-farmers might as well have Master BPO's as they have the wealth to dispose of proto and not feel the change to their wallets .. was that intended ??? Or are you so naive as to claim "skill" in that situation? He is talking about a Public Lobby.. go justify being a tryhard somewhere else. Thor I have enjoyed reading some of your posts in my time as a creepy forum stalker, but since you went chasing the bandwagon your posts are just blind ignorant. Killing in an FPS = Good Having a constant advantage in casual gamemodes = Bad So you don't think joining a pub where your team might consist of 3 tankers, 4 ADS pilots, 4 snipers, 4 guys trying to complete the destroy installation mission is a random occurance that has more to do with getting stomped than the squad on the other side that's able to win the match easily? I think you are completely missing my point. If I was in an NPC Corp I'd still have the same view. You used to see more squads. I've been complaining about this for years. I've said it many times that having a majority of solo players doing random stuff in matches removes the ability for any matchmaking system to work. If you take squads out of pubs completely it would be the death of Dust.
To d1ck well said... When I told one of the bigger Corp Guy's I just crossed the billion isk mark he laughed and said "that's all?" . He went on to say someone has over 100 billion, and some have thousands of officers weapons and hundreds of officer suits.
Thor... One that's more vehicals than can be in a round. Two this imaginary match would be 1/10 rounds at best, but I guess your exaggerating to make a point.
No squads = no garenteed outcome. No people seeing q-synces (even just full squads) = less people immediately quitting or saying "I'll just snipe this round"
Yes it's a team game but you're on a team squad or not, maybe you need to spend some time solo and see how new players feel even tho you have a fat wallet and tons of sp to buffer and lesson the pain.
It's just pubs not every mode.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
1
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Posted - 2015.10.08 03:31:00 -
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Tho I would love to see 16 gvo's on one team as long as one hacked the point I'd love to someone get past all that firepower. |
501st Synergy
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2015.10.08 09:40:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.
Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.
Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad. Really ?? I can't say if this post is ignorant or just plain stupid. Playing it as intended.. LOL the PC players/ex-farmers might as well have Master BPO's as they have the wealth to dispose of proto and not feel the change to their wallets .. was that intended ??? Or are you so naive as to claim "skill" in that situation? He is talking about a Public Lobby.. go justify being a tryhard somewhere else. Thor I have enjoyed reading some of your posts in my time as a creepy forum stalker, but since you went chasing the bandwagon your posts are just blind ignorant. Killing in an FPS = Good Having a constant advantage in casual gamemodes = Bad So you don't think joining a pub where your team might consist of 3 tankers, 4 ADS pilots, 4 snipers, 4 guys trying to complete the destroy installation mission is a random occurance that has more to do with getting stomped than the squad on the other side that's able to win the match easily? I think you are completely missing my point. If I was in an NPC Corp I'd still have the same view. You used to see more squads. I've been complaining about this for years. I've said it many times that having a majority of solo players doing random stuff in matches removes the ability for any matchmaking system to work. If you take squads out of pubs completely it would be the death of Dust. To d1ck well said... When I told one of the bigger Corp Guy's I just crossed the billion isk mark he laughed and said "that's all?" . He went on to say someone has over 100 billion, and some have thousands of officers weapons and hundreds of officer suits. Thor... One that's more vehicals than can be in a round. Two this imaginary match would be 1/10 rounds at best, but I guess your exaggerating to make a point. No squads = no garenteed outcome. No people seeing q-synces (even just full squads) = less people immediately quitting or saying "I'll just snipe this round" Yes it's a team game but you're on a team squad or not, maybe you need to spend some time solo and see how new players feel even tho you have a fat wallet and tons of sp to buffer and lesson the pain. It's just pubs not every mode.
And once more since you completely ignore my post, how do you expect me to make isk if I can no longer so this with friends, thus furthering lessing the social aspect of the game? Honestly just bring back the warbarge without freezing the chat so people can squad up, then freeze when the game begins. And upgrade the NPE so blues actually know why the RailRifle has a charge up time |
KGB Sleep
1
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Posted - 2015.10.08 09:58:00 -
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I'm fine with them having their little playpen in addition to regular pubs.
Make it a new selectable mode.
NO REWARDS, NO ISK, NO SP, NO NOTHING THAT CAN BE FARMED
Restrict it however is most fair.
And make a leaderboard for it.
Because beer, that's why.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.10 19:51:00 -
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I'm officially done with even trying to play this game .
Just left a match that was que'd by the opposition and my team was vastly short in numbers , was redlined within the first 3 mins of the game by PRO players with ADS's and Gunnlogi GK.O's , I killed a few and forged the HAV but it just didn't make sense to even start the game shorthanded and on top of that these fools running straight PRO when they already knew they had the advantage .
Yes I enjoyed killing the few I did before I just quit and I quit because that crap just didn't make too much sense to begin with .
Why do you keep allowing games to start with uneven numbers ?
Why won't you just create a matchmaking system ?
Why do you allow these types to continue to kill the already low player base that you have ?
How do you expect this game to grow under these conditions ?
What are the CPM doing to address this ? Edit : Oh yeah I forgot , they would like to punish people for leaving , have fun with that one .
Don't have an answer , well I do but no one is listening so I'm done , I don't have to keep dealing with this and I'm following the rest that have left before me , don't fix this by Christmas and I will know that you CCP just don't care , neither you or your precious CPM .
Just for the record , I just died two time but it was two too many under such circumstances .
This game is so broken and you keep allowing this and listening to the same that are destroying it and like others , I've had enough .
You people that complain about snipers in the redline have zero issues crossing that same redline when redlining the opposition so I just believe that you can't have it both ways in that regard .
This game is becoming horrible and now I see why no one in the YouTube community reviews it or even covers it besides those who kill the game ( except DAAA BEAST ) .
You get no press , no coverage and player retention is none , in-fact .. your loosing numbers , don't fix matchmaking and you can add one more to that long list of those who left .
I thought Massive stopped making vids but I see he still does , he use to cover this game but not anymore and I wonder why .?. I was thinking about writing him and asking him , maybe I will post what he says if I do .
I'm just not even concerned with that anymore , I just want the game to be fixed and balanced but it just seems like that will not happen and no , I'm giving whom so ever asks ... nothing .
Not a rant , just stating facts . You really need to start paying attention to detail . Current streak of log on gone .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.10 19:53:00 -
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Oh yeah , say what you want ... whoever that wants , most of you could truly care less about the game to begin with besides killing it so have fun with that and enjoy .
Pretty soon , you'll be all that's left anyway .
Enjoy .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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JudgeIsABadPilot
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:43:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Concise legitimate complaints All about the status quo and accommodating one half of the lowest common denominator. |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:07:00 -
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Trooper X wrote:Brilliant...
OP makes valid points about the nature of the game, regarding new players... And someone comments, work on your 'aim'... #trollsrdicks
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I am one of the new players that Shinobi is talking about. I don't know anyone who play's the game and I downloaded it only because it was free. That's it...
There are no instructions when you start, there is nothing to say that being in a squad is important, or indeed needed... The game really isn't that difficult to understand however, it's a FPS, based on the capture the flag game mode...
So you start, straight into the deep end...
Starter Fit vs Frame's with Ghalag's RR -- Who goings to win the fight?...
Starter AV vs Madruga Gv.0 -- Who's going to win the fight?...
Basic Gal Assault vs Minmatar Assault mk.0 with Myo's & Freedom MD -- Who's going to win the fight?...
I could go on & on...
New players do not stand a chance. Fact.
New players, playing alone, do not stand a chance. Fact.
Would a new approach to the pub match system be welcomed, YES IT WOULD!...
Should new players be in the same pool as long time Vets? Not if you want them to stay & continue to play...
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Blueberries are the life blood of the game, you need us, more than we need you...
And why is that, i hear you ask?...
Because we do play solo, we can just leave, we can just derp about behind the redline, we don't give flying fig about your Corp or Reputation, Standings, K/D or any of that rubbish, we want a fight, but we're not going to, 'walk towards the guns slowly' just because you want us too. We press, leave battle, we press, quit game, we press, delete game from ps3. It's that easy...
Anyone who feels the system works just fine the way it is, is a fool...
The sad part is CCP seems to feel that the old guard is more important than the new players. Even though those new players represent possible new revenue streams. So, I guess we know who the fools are.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:17:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: If you take squads out of pubs completely it would be the death of Dust.
HAHAHAHA......
No, squad stomping and bad match making are the death of DUST. The game needs a solo mode for those guys that want it, and leave the other modes for the rest of us. I can tell you right now that as a new player I would have spent 100% of my time in Solo mode. So, would all of the new guys I have worked with in the last 2 months. Its not the death of dust kid, its the only hope you have to save it.
It would be the death of K/D padding in low MU games that concerns most vets. You can't get to that juicy pool of starter fits if you can't squad with them. Then...OH NO...we have to play guys on our level..... Guess those K/Ds would normalize. |
Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
200
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Posted - 2015.10.10 23:38:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:You people are so stupid , telling people to quit , like that's helping this game to become better .
The game would be better off without you crying your scrub tears everywhere.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
48
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Posted - 2015.10.11 14:13:00 -
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In an interesting twist I've been noticing just in the last day or so, many of the Elites in pubs are running Militia fits, modified at least with their selection of weapon. I had one today running a Gallente Frontline fit but with an Assault Rail Rifle. Gallente have a Militia Assault Rifle on their Frontline suits, and in any case, the ARR is Caldari. I didn't take notice of the amount of shield or armour he had, but I imagine it would have been a better tank than on the basic suit.
I might add that this one particular player had the highest score on the opposing team which also won the match. Clearly Elites are good enough to stomp even in Militia suits... I was impressed. It made me go back to Militia fits myself just for the experience of what I could do with a basic fit, to find I actually have improved since the days I first ran those fits. |
Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
48
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Posted - 2015.10.11 14:17:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:The sad part is CCP seems to feel that the old guard is more important than the new players. Even though those new players represent possible new revenue streams. So, I guess we know who the fools are.
Yes, this is true. It's probably something to do with the fact that the old guard is the most prominent group of players in CCP's eyes, through CPM. And of course, CPM is all about vested interests. They want the game the way they want it to suit themselves, not the way it should be to keep it going. |
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