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Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2015.10.07 12:06:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Simple. This happens with every game imbalance. Every time. Without fail. I wouldn't be surprised if the track the quitting and afking as an indication of OP performance. What you demand is action.
Ccp has responded with hotfix four.
Then they will check the results of that and respond again.
Back in the day they didnt tweak. They swung the nerfbat. Entire roles were destroyed overnight. Weapons were rendered unusable overnight.
Most of us prefer the 'wait and see' approach when compared to the horrors of the bat.
Its painful, No question, and we all feel it. This is not a "game imbalance". This is an outright one-sided disaster. Every day I go into pubs and at some point discover the stompers, so I quit that game, and go into FW where they hate noobs like me. But what choice do we have? We can't get any form of achievable game in pubs because of all the stompers who should be in FW and PC, but choose to bully the noobs in pubs. That's all they are, bullies, pure and simple. So I go inflict my noobishness on FW where they should be instead of me.
But it's not as if I can hold my own there either, I still get stomped, but at least the matches are more organised, usually. Where is the venue for noobs to learn the game or hone their skills? It should be pubs, but we can't do it there, because we barely get to turn around after a drop and some stomper bully shoots their lights out. It's a good way to learn how to die, not much good for anything else.
As for CCP's "response" in hotfix FoxFour, that's not a response that will address the real issues. It only tries to patch the problems. A proper response would be to acknowledge, here on this forum, that the problem is fundamental to the matchmaking process itself and that they intend to fix that, not just patch over it with another hotfix. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2015.10.07 12:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Not sure I care.
Squad > Individual Player
Squad Play > Individual Play
My Opinion > Individualist Players Opinion.
Result: I win. Yes, you do win. And that's the nature of the problem. It's the fact that the gangs win against the noobs in pubs that is the problem. You are part of the problem. You say this like it's a good thing but it's death of the game, because noobs won't keep playing against you. |
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Posted - 2015.10.07 12:20:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:As a solo player most of the time I get where the OP is coming from. I see it all the time, squads of highly organised officer gear wearing scrubs who easily stomp noobs match after match. I guess I can't blame them, although I'm not sure how they call that fun, but the problem is essentially the way ccp has allowed matchmaking to continue. There should be a solo mode for sure, there should also be more time taken to fill proper matches. What do you expect a new player to think in the current state of the game? No game modes work except domination, and once you land one you get stomped to oblivion or wander around and do nothing while vets on your side stomp the enemy. It's stupid.
Very poor matchmaking has made for unfilled, lopsided, painfully boring matches of late. I do disagree with the OP on the hot fix topic. I am excited for FoxFour and overall have faith in rattatis ability to balance the game. However balance is just one facet of dusts problems and overall something that is missed by new players. New players want exciting close matches where they feel they can contribute. If you want to retain these players you need to find a way of achieving that. I agree with everything said here except for the hotfix. I can't see how it can fix the problem without addressing the basic issue. Otherwise it's just a patch, not a real solution. |
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Posted - 2015.10.07 12:24:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.
Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.
Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad. The problem isn't the FOUR, it's the fact they're in PUBS. Get it? |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2015.10.07 12:30:00 -
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Worthless Target wrote:So here's the thing about DUST 514.
If you're looking for a fun and fair match, you've come to the wrong game. When an individual says they want a balanced match, their only lying to sound less like total tool bag. No one plays Dust for a fair game, they come here to pad stats that mean nothing so they can wave their E-peens every which way declaring "Hay look at me, my KDr is so good because I got skills!" By skill, I mean skill points, and gear that is much better then yours.
You know how some free games are pay to win? Well this game is wait to win. Once you have the right amount of skill POINTS, you're good to go, no one can stop you, except for maybe the other guys who waited just as long as you. Well, that's what the leave button is for. Besides, this game isn't built for balanced matches, it's been hand crafted just for the vet players to pad their stats all the way to their heart's content. After all, why ells would it stack the proto squads on one team and leave all the low levels on the other? Why ells would this problem persist since the start with no end, because it's not a problem, everything is working as intended.
In this game, you have two choices. You could wait to get proto, and get nothing but victories devoid of all value. Or most likely you will be the cannon fodder, nothing more then sacks of meat to feed the vets as they gorge their DKrs. All you can do is accept that you are only padding for that one stat. Since they take so much pride in their slaughters, take pride in your deaths. Is winning a match any different from losing one? So far I've never seen the difference in either outcome, you define what wining is to you. So just sit down already, and play the game how it was designed to be played; Stomp or be stomped.
welcome to New Eden. You're missing a very crucial point. Even EvE has ample catering for noobs, because when EvE was first created they knew that noobs are the regeneration of the game. And this is EvE we're talking about, the game that supposedly is the hardest game in the world to learn with a learning curve that itself supposedly kills noobs. But even EvE can cater for noobs, why can't Dust?
Perhaps Dust never has. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't still. Not allowing noobs to learn the game is the death of the game. Noone stays in the same place forever. Noobs need to be able to learn enough of the game to progress or they leave. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2015.10.07 12:39:00 -
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Raven-747 wrote:The reason why you get stomped all the time is probably because you suck. I have been in quite a few stomped matches where our team was done for but a few random blues and myself were wrecking the reds. This happens quite a lot. So instead of complaining go out there and work on your aim. Yes, of course he sucks. So do I. We're NOOBS. Noobs are supposed to suck. But they're supposed to also have enough encouragement to keep playing until they don't or they leave. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2015.10.07 12:49:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.
Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.
Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad. I have played in matches where two squads was the opposing team and my team was total random players . Others have brought this up only to get crapped on by the community that doesn't want this system to change . They asked , how did that happen .?. well if I had a capture card then you would have seen it but the next time this happens , I will take a pic on my phone and link it for all of you to see because it does happen where you get squads , not a squad to que on one team . I guess if you people could see that then you might change your tune or maybe not . The way the game currently works, they will never see it for themselves. To do so, they need to be on the receiving end of the "imbalance" but since they are the cause of the "imbalance" in the first place this will never happen. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2015.10.11 14:13:00 -
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In an interesting twist I've been noticing just in the last day or so, many of the Elites in pubs are running Militia fits, modified at least with their selection of weapon. I had one today running a Gallente Frontline fit but with an Assault Rail Rifle. Gallente have a Militia Assault Rifle on their Frontline suits, and in any case, the ARR is Caldari. I didn't take notice of the amount of shield or armour he had, but I imagine it would have been a better tank than on the basic suit.
I might add that this one particular player had the highest score on the opposing team which also won the match. Clearly Elites are good enough to stomp even in Militia suits... I was impressed. It made me go back to Militia fits myself just for the experience of what I could do with a basic fit, to find I actually have improved since the days I first ran those fits. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2015.10.11 14:17:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:The sad part is CCP seems to feel that the old guard is more important than the new players. Even though those new players represent possible new revenue streams. So, I guess we know who the fools are.
Yes, this is true. It's probably something to do with the fact that the old guard is the most prominent group of players in CCP's eyes, through CPM. And of course, CPM is all about vested interests. They want the game the way they want it to suit themselves, not the way it should be to keep it going. |
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