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HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.07 05:02:00 -
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Been saying this for years, it was obvious since I started 2 years ago. I totally agree with everything you've said shinobi.
The "elites" of the game have benefited from this system since open beta. Corp up, squad up and htfu has always been the response. I doubt most new players try dust because of a friend, more likely it's free and seems better than most fps.
Removing fire teams would be simple and create a more balanced playing field than anything but would be detrimental officer/proto stomping since most people couldn't afford the same risk solo.
Slightly off topic but, I also think the PC mode needs a change. I would like to see them have no isk/cp involved, and allow corps to accept or reject challenge's, allowing e-peen fights but not forcing them and removing the endless isk river to top corps which has allowed them to stockpile thousands of officer weapons/suits through trade and further securing their elite status.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.07 05:14:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Do you also want chat to be removed? because to coordinate you need communication. Seriously the only reason this game has been going this long is because of its social interactivity. If PC was more rewarding to low-mid tier players we would see less pub stomping. Just look at the DK market that thing is a joke.
I don't think he even hinted that. Ever listen to team chat? It's usually some guys ranting or the screaming kids of possibly a parent trying to ignore them. DK market... Do you think top corps would ever use that garbage? They have billions of isk being generated weekly using anything below proto is most likely frowned upon... You might lower the Corp kd/wl ratio bringing shame |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.07 05:31:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:I don't think I have ever seen a post from you that was not a quarter mile long. I don't know whether to be impressed or scared, but at least you're dedicated to your opinions.
Now, to get on subject. I would have agreed with you back when squad sizes were six. Almost half the scoreboard? Yeah, your guys could easily stomp if you knew how to work together and the opposing team was entirely randoms/their squad wasn't as good. But nowadays? With a squad size of four? I don't know how things are for you, but squad sizes are perfect for pubs right now. You can bring in friends to fight together, you're a strong enough force to turn the tide if you try for it, but you aren't enough on your own to completely own the match. And I've got to agree with Xavier here. A lot of people squadding up in pubs aren't the tactically minded individuals you take them to be. Even among corpmates and friends, whether we're completely owning the field or getting our asses stomped, pretty much all we do is talk to each other. Before I joined Corsy and started actually communicating with other people I always dreaded an obvious squad on the other team, because, like you, I thought it was basically an immediate ass whooping because they would all be communicating and actually supporting each other, and blah, blah, blah.
And then I joined my corp, got to actually talk with and even squad with several people who I thought were really serious players and, can you guess? They're just people who like playing the game, are kinda good at it, and because they're squadded up they can help each other out better. Aside from that? **** talk for days. It's hilarious looking back on it, but I actually started out talking these people in squad chat trying to be serious and tactical and their general response was 'oh, cool, okay'. Now? 'Hey, there's a tank on Alpha. Who wants to see how bad I can **** him off?' Spent an entire three minutes just chasing him and jumping on top of him and dodging his rail gun and it was god damn hilarious.
Radiant Pancak3 and I even pulled out **** fit MinSents with dual Scrambler Pistols to just **** with people once. We still did decently that match, we still won that match, but there was no coordination at all. We were just ******* around and enjoying ourselves.
But even completely disregarding all that, Dust 514 is still a team based 'tactical' game, whatever that word even means anymore. Suggesting that people who work together are ruining the game is downright silly, because it's the people who are refusing to work together that are pulling themselves down, and their teams with them. Yeah, people who squad up can be a pretty strong deciding factor in a match. But can you imagine how matches would go if everyone were squadded up and actually trying their best, rather than just a single squad on one team and a bunch of randoms on the other? The people who are squadding up are the ones who are playing the game right. The people who are squadding up are the ones who are actually trying to improve the game. It's the people who outright, blatantly refuse to work together with anyone that are making this game suck.
I mean, your signature even says it. "Teamwork is really important."
Now, on the other hand, if I'm just completely misunderstanding what you're saying and you aren't complaining about squads, but people trying to q-sync in pubs to field up to 8 people in a single match, yeah, that's absolute bull **** and totally stupid. But I haven't encountered that issue at all since squad sizes got reduced, and I imagine that it's both rare and at least mildly difficult to pull off.
For years we had to deal with 12 man que's in pubs it was just how this game was, Corp up, squad up, or stfu was all I ever heard. Squad size reduction helped but now if bolth smaller squads don't make it they just leave... And now we get lopsided battles.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.07 06:34:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Kalante Schiffer wrote:Do you also want chat to be removed? because to coordinate you need communication. Seriously the only reason this game has been going this long is because of its social interactivity. If PC was more rewarding to low-mid tier players we would see less pub stomping. Just look at the DK market that thing is a joke. I don't think he even hinted that. Ever listen to team chat? It's usually some guys ranting or the screaming kids of possibly a parent trying to ignore them. DK market... Do you think top corps would ever use that garbage? They have billions of isk being generated weekly using anything below proto is most likely frowned upon... You might lower the Corp kd/wl ratio bringing shame Lol, we have meetings where we yell at people who were spotted using ADV. Those people don't get their alloted billions that week. We never ask where the ISK comes from, but we sometimes wonder, being that PC hasn't been an ISK faucet for close to a year.
Lol it's still a faucet. A tiny Corp I played with was making a couple hundred million a week. I can only imagine what a.e. Has accumulated over the years. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.07 18:26:00 -
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Want to see the power of an organized squad in a pub watch sax's video "one squad 140 kills" 4 people running complementary fits not even going for the objective because the win is garenteed just by the organization. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 03:27:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The insane and most idiotic part of this is that FOUR people in a match of 32 are able to do so much.
Yet people are still so brain dead that they blame those FOUR for actually playing the game the way it was intended. Don't get mad at all the people not doing anything. Don't get mad at the five tanks on your side that are somehow unable to deal with that single blaster tank that is wrecking shop. Don't get mad at the six snipers on your side that are somehow unable see those eight dudes camping on top of the pipes.
Yes, get mad at the four who were unaware that killing people in a FPS was bad. Really ?? I can't say if this post is ignorant or just plain stupid. Playing it as intended.. LOL the PC players/ex-farmers might as well have Master BPO's as they have the wealth to dispose of proto and not feel the change to their wallets .. was that intended ??? Or are you so naive as to claim "skill" in that situation? He is talking about a Public Lobby.. go justify being a tryhard somewhere else. Thor I have enjoyed reading some of your posts in my time as a creepy forum stalker, but since you went chasing the bandwagon your posts are just blind ignorant. Killing in an FPS = Good Having a constant advantage in casual gamemodes = Bad So you don't think joining a pub where your team might consist of 3 tankers, 4 ADS pilots, 4 snipers, 4 guys trying to complete the destroy installation mission is a random occurance that has more to do with getting stomped than the squad on the other side that's able to win the match easily? I think you are completely missing my point. If I was in an NPC Corp I'd still have the same view. You used to see more squads. I've been complaining about this for years. I've said it many times that having a majority of solo players doing random stuff in matches removes the ability for any matchmaking system to work. If you take squads out of pubs completely it would be the death of Dust.
To d1ck well said... When I told one of the bigger Corp Guy's I just crossed the billion isk mark he laughed and said "that's all?" . He went on to say someone has over 100 billion, and some have thousands of officers weapons and hundreds of officer suits.
Thor... One that's more vehicals than can be in a round. Two this imaginary match would be 1/10 rounds at best, but I guess your exaggerating to make a point.
No squads = no garenteed outcome. No people seeing q-synces (even just full squads) = less people immediately quitting or saying "I'll just snipe this round"
Yes it's a team game but you're on a team squad or not, maybe you need to spend some time solo and see how new players feel even tho you have a fat wallet and tons of sp to buffer and lesson the pain.
It's just pubs not every mode.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 03:31:00 -
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Tho I would love to see 16 gvo's on one team as long as one hacked the point I'd love to someone get past all that firepower. |
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