Amarr

But that's just me

So recently in The Barbershop I've been saying all this about how MinScout is the best blah blah blah
and it was brought to my attention that Gallente Scout and Caldari Scout aren't too shabby either (didn't hear anything about Amarr though so either it sucks or no one uses it)and that got me to thinkin
There should be a way to determine which scout is actually best.
The three categories to rank them in are as follows:(please rate a race in one of the following categories or all that applies)
Ewar
Assassinating
Survivability
Hopefully ya'll have something to say on this topic as I'm officially out of my element here.

So recently in The Barbershop I've been saying all this about how MinScout is the best blah blah blah
and it was brought to my attention that Gallente Scout and Caldari Scout aren't too shabby either (didn't hear anything about Amarr though so either it sucks or no one uses it)and that got me to thinkin
There should be a way to determine which scout is actually best.
The three categories to rank them in are as follows:(please rate a race in one of the following categories or all that applies)
Ewar
Assassinating
Survivability
Hopefully ya'll have something to say on this topic as I'm officially out of my element here.

Why no read what I write

Also have all the scoutsGǪ would not say one is the "Best"
Run them all with a style that suits them and they all perform pretty well in their own right. Far more balanced than they once were. Amarr could use a tweakGǪ Gal was once the all around best choice, but that has changed now.

So what i'm hearing is Gallente scout is best at everything
Minimatar is second best with Caldari
Amarr sucks major @ss
Cool I'll probably still run Minmatar but if I do run another scout I might just pick Gallente.
In PCs my Slayer MinScout seems to work pretty well as a distraction and assassin in it's own right but, it could just be because of the strategy my corp uses.

Gal isnt the best at everything, but its the best at most things, and the things its not best at its Good Enough (tm)

To be fair, you also don't PC.

I can say with utmost certainty.

Amarr is far behind all the others.

In pubs, you can get away with anything.

Amarr

But that's just me

This is what balance looks like. All scout suits work great in their niche, but none stand out decidedly above the others.

Except the amarr scout, that turd sinks to the bottom of each list.

It realy boils down to these two:

Ewar masters: Gallente.

Asassination: Minmatar

Suvivability: Depends. In a straight fight with typical suit weapons only, the gallente wins because of its range. In terms of playstyle, definitly minmatar. Gallente is all about sprint in shotgun, shotgun, shotgun die. Minmatar is about being sneaky, flanking, and ambush only. I save far more suits in my Min Scout.

To put it bluntly, there is little the gallente scout can do that an assault couldn't do better. Other wise so many people would n't complain about min assaults with shotguns.

No suit can hack better than the min, or asassinate like the min, or ecourages sneaky gameplay like the min.

So recently in The Barbershop I've been saying all this about how MinScout is the best blah blah blah
and it was brought to my attention that Gallente Scout and Caldari Scout aren't too shabby either (didn't hear anything about Amarr though so either it sucks or no one uses it)and that got me to thinkin
There should be a way to determine which scout is actually best.
The three categories to rank them in are as follows:(please rate a race in one of the following categories or all that applies)
Ewar
Assassinating
Survivability
Hopefully ya'll have something to say on this topic as I'm officially out of my element here.

Gotta say I'm really tempted to try the Amarr next, just because "hard mode".

Amarr

But that's just me

I personally struggle with trying to find what my Caldari State Hawk Scout is good at. As a committed Caldari, I only use Caldari suits and equipment. So I don't switch from one to another to try to find the best one for a given role. As far as I can gather, the Caldari scout is good for moving fast over distances outdoors, cloaked, and semi-sniping with the RR from behind a hill or something. Not really what I'd consider "scout" activity....

Best EWAR: Gallente
Best survivability: Gallente
Best assassin: Gallente
Best in class: Gallente
Best in show: Gallente
Best in bed: Minmatar

Barbershop is great at some things terrible at others.

They base most of their assumptions off of how much they like the suit, not how useful it actually is in PC or Pubs.

Here are the power rankings for the scouts:

UTILITY: Gal > Min > Cal > Amarr

SLAYING: Gal >>>>> Cal = Min > Amarr

PC: Gal >>>> Min > Cal > Amarr

Pubs: Suit doesn't matter one damn bit

Fun: Min >>>> Gal = Cal > Amarr

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Reasoning behind all this.

Utility. Gal is leagues ahead of all other scouts in terms of utility, and it always WILL BE until they change its bonuses. Right now, it gets a bonus to damps (a low slot module) as well as good passive armor regen (Another low slot module). The ability to run a single damp is godsend on it. With the 3 spare lows, you have insane utility in the form of hack mods, speed, scan, WHATEVER. Hacks better than the Min in practice. Hack speed don't mean crap if you're scanned going up to the point. Min is second due to innate hack speed, Cal has low dB long range scans if you REALLY need it, and Amarr is barely useful. With the power of close range scans, Amarr bonus is less useful now, especially due to the nerf of range mods.

Slaying. Remember what I said about low slots? Same thing is what makes Gal an infantry powerhouse. Good shield buffer combined with armor regen lets you run 2x speed, 1x damp, 1x ferro and two extenders, making it a fairly sturdy and mobile assault scout. Faster and tougher than any of the other scouts. Min and Cal are tied due to their roles and utilities. I find that they can each slay well compared to each other. I prefer Cal for ranged fights with ARR and Min for shotgun/knives. Amarr is just....bad. Too slow, has to use too many damps, no amount of armor will make up for it. You want the Amarr scout to be useful? Give it a freaking damp bonus or increase base speed. It either needs to run only 1 damp, or be decently fast without a kincat.

PC: Kinda a combination of the above two. You want something that has lots of utility and decent slay power in a PC scout. Gal is leaps and bounds ahead. Min and Cal are ultimately up to preference, with a lean towards Minmatar due to hack bonus. Amarr scouts in PC are the real men. Seriously. Suit is bad.

Pubs: Doesn't matter, you could run the most stupid fits on a pub scout and still do well if you're not horrible at the game.

Fun: Minmatar by far. Seriously, if you're looking to squeeze fun out the game, RUN IT. It's fast, fragile, and absolutely hilarious to play as. Put on mybos and punch people to death like the biotic man, or go stealthy and stab everyone. Speed fit for lulz. Gal and Cal on equal footing, as they are both solid scouts with their own flavor. Amarr is honestly a pain to run. I've tried. It wasn't fun at all. I felt like I should be playing a damped assault suit.

There's my take on the whole ordeal. Hope that clears up any questions.

Gallente have all those highs. Only low slot mods that lend themselves to scouting are myofibs, dmg mods, precision enhancers & range amps.

I should say Amarr but for some reason I find myself unable to choose anything besides Minmatar.

#Minmatargirlsdoitbetter

You have confused high slots with low slots and vice versa.

Otherwise the analysis is spot on.

Aha!!! You dismissed me when I held the knives and leather as if I was a freak. Now here you are saying what I said so long ago... It's okay, I'll meet you downstairs xoxo

..... I only own one property that extends beyond a single floor and am currently not residing there..... why would I need to meet you downstairs?

#Mixedbloodlinesdoitbetter

You're kidding right? This shouldn't even be a question. The Gallente scout is the best scout in like every role. Hell you can tank that thing and make it an effective invisible assault.

Recon & slay from the flanks is where caldari scouts shine. With the damn & passive range bonus cals can get close & provide non stop passive scans. Only problem is standing nearly naked, uncloaked, right next to the reds doesn't allow you to do it long.

With ewar being so f'd right now, uour best bet is to stack dmg mods (go krins)in your highs, damp & kincat in your lows. I'll run a RR with magsec or a ARR with a bolt pistol. Slap on either a scanner or uplinks & your good to go. With this, the bonus will show itself as catching red scouts with 1-2 extra seconds before they gank you.

Personally, cal scout is my fav followed by gal then min.

I've been running the cal scout pretty good with a **** ton of enhancers and complex damps on in the lows. I run it mainly in the city and just flank around with the assaults and medium suits standing in the front. I'm weak as **** but I'm pretty good at finding most suits close to me.

Yep, weak as **** and getting weaker.

Weak as **** is what happens with a half-second or less TTK. "But we're slowing TTK!", you say. Sadly, efforts to slow TTK will benefit you by far less degree than everyone else. Slower TTK doesn't apply to you; slower TTK requires stacking HP Modules. You're weak as **** (which is why your loadout is non-existent in competitive play) and you're getting relatively weaker.

All hail King HP.

Thanks for this^. I've sort of figured out some of it already. Yes, slaying from the flanks is what it seems to be quite good at. The RR is devastating with ADS at huge range. I hadn't really thought about the other passive bonuses, but it's nice to know the Cal scout has them. I'll look into your recommendations about modules high and low. Sounds good to me. I prefer the magsec/RR combination to the bolt/ARR one, but the Hawk Scout comes with RR and bolt, both slow firing, so not good for any close range work.

It's nice to know "my" racial scout has at least a few benefits. :)

Is that post supposed to be a bad thing against me or a rant about it. I'm very confused right now.

Im going to call the asylum and have you committed before you hurt yourself.

I think people are exaggerating the differences between the scouts a bit here.

Essentially I agree the Gal scout is the best overall. Cal scout is still pretty good. Min scout's hacking ability can be useful, and knives are a lot of fun, it's not a bad suit. Amarr may struggle to be particularly useful over the others, it's not much worse though.

At the end of the day, the important things about scouts are being fast and stealthy. Gal and Cal get a bonus to stealth, the others don't. It's a bit of an odd situation. Minmatar is at least pretty fast to start with. Amarr is not great at either.