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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.10.01 22:15:00 -
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I should say Amarr but for some reason I find myself unable to choose anything besides Minmatar.
#Minmatargirlsdoitbetter
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
7
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Posted - 2015.10.01 22:23:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I should say Amarr but for some reason I find myself unable to choose anything besides Minmatar.
#Minmatargirlsdoitbetter
Aha!!! You dismissed me when I held the knives and leather as if I was a freak. Now here you are saying what I said so long ago... It's okay, I'll meet you downstairs xoxo
"Remember to Ratatat that ass" ~ The Internet
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2Berries
NORTH K0REA
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Posted - 2015.10.01 22:36:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:2Berries wrote:Gallente have all those highs. Only low slot mods that lend themselves to scouting are myofibs, dmg mods, precision enhancers & range amps. You have confused high slots with low slots and vice versa. Otherwise the analysis is spot on.
Damn it, thanks. Next time i'll finish coffee first.
Evening Boys, Hows the water?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
21
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Posted - 2015.10.01 23:25:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:True Adamance wrote:I should say Amarr but for some reason I find myself unable to choose anything besides Minmatar.
#Minmatargirlsdoitbetter Aha!!! You dismissed me when I held the knives and leather as if I was a freak. Now here you are saying what I said so long ago... It's okay, I'll meet you downstairs xoxo
..... I only own one property that extends beyond a single floor and am currently not residing there..... why would I need to meet you downstairs?
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
7
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Posted - 2015.10.01 23:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:True Adamance wrote:I should say Amarr but for some reason I find myself unable to choose anything besides Minmatar.
#Minmatargirlsdoitbetter Aha!!! You dismissed me when I held the knives and leather as if I was a freak. Now here you are saying what I said so long ago... It's okay, I'll meet you downstairs xoxo ..... I only own one property that extends beyond a single floor and am currently not residing there..... why would I need to meet you downstairs?
#Mixedbloodlinesdoitbetter
"Remember to Ratatat that ass" ~ The Internet
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
21
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Posted - 2015.10.02 00:08:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:
#Mixedbloodlinesdoitbetter
I need to get myself some Amarrian friends......
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
828
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Posted - 2015.10.02 00:11:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:You're kidding right? This shouldn't even be a question. The Gallente scout is the best scout in like every role. Hell you can tank that thing and make it an effective invisible assault.
I'll still hack faster. Run faster. Jump higher. Knife better. Have better skins (mhm that sexy seibiestor skin I want it so bad). Melee harder. Hell the minscout is like the $6,000,000 man. |
Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
24
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:40:00 -
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2Berries wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Axel Giatsu wrote:So recently in The Barbershop I've been saying all this about how MinScout is the best blah blah blah
and it was brought to my attention that Gallente Scout and Caldari Scout aren't too shabby either (didn't hear anything about Amarr though so either it sucks or no one uses it)and that got me to thinkin
There should be a way to determine which scout is actually best.
The three categories to rank them in are as follows:(please rate a race in one of the following categories or all that applies)
Ewar
Assassinating
Survivability
Hopefully ya'll have something to say on this topic as I'm officially out of my element here. I personally struggle with trying to find what my Caldari State Hawk Scout is good at. As a committed Caldari, I only use Caldari suits and equipment. So I don't switch from one to another to try to find the best one for a given role. As far as I can gather, the Caldari scout is good for moving fast over distances outdoors, cloaked, and semi-sniping with the RR from behind a hill or something. Not really what I'd consider "scout" activity.... Recon & slay from the flanks is where caldari scouts shine. With the damn & passive range bonus cals can get close & provide non stop passive scans. Only problem is standing nearly naked, uncloaked, right next to the reds doesn't allow you to do it long. With ewar being so f'd right now, uour best bet is to stack dmg mods (go krins)in your highs, damp & kincat in your lows. I'll run a RR with magsec or a ARR with a bolt pistol. Slap on either a scanner or uplinks & your good to go. With this, the bonus will show itself as catching red scouts with 1-2 extra seconds before they gank you. Personally, cal scout is my fav followed by gal then min.
Thanks for this^. I've sort of figured out some of it already. Yes, slaying from the flanks is what it seems to be quite good at. The RR is devastating with ADS at huge range. I hadn't really thought about the other passive bonuses, but it's nice to know the Cal scout has them. I'll look into your recommendations about modules high and low. Sounds good to me. I prefer the magsec/RR combination to the bolt/ARR one, but the Hawk Scout comes with RR and bolt, both slow firing, so not good for any close range work.
It's nice to know "my" racial scout has at least a few benefits. :) |
knight guard fury
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.10.02 14:37:00 -
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there shouldnt really be a "best". every suit is "best" at something. just depends on what you want or how you use it.
for me its minmatar since im always on the run, running triathlons across the map getting from place to place and avoiding combat unless im wanting to get easy kills or defending myself
Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic
Self proclaimed minmatar lore master
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Harbingerof War
G0DS AM0NG MEN
128
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Posted - 2015.10.02 14:55:00 -
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I've been running the cal scout pretty good with a **** ton of enhancers and complex damps on in the lows. I run it mainly in the city and just flank around with the assaults and medium suits standing in the front. I'm weak as **** but I'm pretty good at finding most suits close to me.
Been logi'ing since release. Need to give those needles and self proclaimed king of logi hugs ^-^
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
16
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Posted - 2015.10.02 15:59:00 -
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Harbingerof War wrote:I've been running the cal scout pretty good with a **** ton of enhancers and complex damps on in the lows. I run it mainly in the city and just flank around with the assaults and medium suits standing in the front. I'm weak as **** but I'm pretty good at finding most suits close to me.
Yep, weak as **** and getting weaker.
Weak as **** is what happens with a half-second or less TTK. "But we're slowing TTK!", you say. Sadly, efforts to slow TTK will benefit you by far less degree than everyone else. Slower TTK doesn't apply to you; slower TTK requires stacking HP Modules. You're weak as **** (which is why your loadout is non-existent in competitive play) and you're getting relatively weaker.
All hail King HP. |
Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.10.02 16:04:00 -
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I think people are exaggerating the differences between the scouts a bit here.
Essentially I agree the Gal scout is the best overall. Cal scout is still pretty good. Min scout's hacking ability can be useful, and knives are a lot of fun, it's not a bad suit. Amarr may struggle to be particularly useful over the others, it's not much worse though.
At the end of the day, the important things about scouts are being fast and stealthy. Gal and Cal get a bonus to stealth, the others don't. It's a bit of an odd situation. Minmatar is at least pretty fast to start with. Amarr is not great at either. |
Axel Giatsu
Fallen Angels Syndicate
RUST415
147
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Posted - 2015.10.02 16:36:00 -
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I'm surprised by how many responses I got for this 
Recruiter for FAS
Recruitment Post!!!!!!
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Harbingerof War
G0DS AM0NG MEN
128
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Posted - 2015.10.02 17:05:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Harbingerof War wrote:I've been running the cal scout pretty good with a **** ton of enhancers and complex damps on in the lows. I run it mainly in the city and just flank around with the assaults and medium suits standing in the front. I'm weak as **** but I'm pretty good at finding most suits close to me. Yep, weak as **** and getting weaker. Weak as **** is what happens with a half-second or less TTK. "But we're slowing TTK!", you say. Sadly, efforts to slow TTK will benefit you by far less degree than everyone else. Slower TTK doesn't apply to you; slower TTK requires stacking HP Modules. You're weak as **** (which is why your loadout is non-existent in competitive play) and you're getting relatively weaker. All hail King HP.
Is that post supposed to be a bad thing against me or a rant about it. I'm very confused right now.
Been logi'ing since release. Need to give those needles and self proclaimed king of logi hugs ^-^
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2Berries
NORTH K0REA
1
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Posted - 2015.10.02 17:23:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:2Berries wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Axel Giatsu wrote:So recently in The Barbershop I've been saying all this about how MinScout is the best blah blah blah
and it was brought to my attention that Gallente Scout and Caldari Scout aren't too shabby either (didn't hear anything about Amarr though so either it sucks or no one uses it)and that got me to thinkin
There should be a way to determine which scout is actually best.
The three categories to rank them in are as follows:(please rate a race in one of the following categories or all that applies)
Ewar
Assassinating
Survivability
Hopefully ya'll have something to say on this topic as I'm officially out of my element here. I personally struggle with trying to find what my Caldari State Hawk Scout is good at. As a committed Caldari, I only use Caldari suits and equipment. So I don't switch from one to another to try to find the best one for a given role. As far as I can gather, the Caldari scout is good for moving fast over distances outdoors, cloaked, and semi-sniping with the RR from behind a hill or something. Not really what I'd consider "scout" activity.... Recon & slay from the flanks is where caldari scouts shine. With the damn & passive range bonus cals can get close & provide non stop passive scans. Only problem is standing nearly naked, uncloaked, right next to the reds doesn't allow you to do it long. With ewar being so f'd right now, uour best bet is to stack dmg mods (go krins)in your highs, damp & kincat in your lows. I'll run a RR with magsec or a ARR with a bolt pistol. Slap on either a scanner or uplinks & your good to go. With this, the bonus will show itself as catching red scouts with 1-2 extra seconds before they gank you. Personally, cal scout is my fav followed by gal then min. Thanks for this^. I've sort of figured out some of it already. Yes, slaying from the flanks is what it seems to be quite good at. The RR is devastating with ADS at huge range. I hadn't really thought about the other passive bonuses, but it's nice to know the Cal scout has them. I'll look into your recommendations about modules high and low. Sounds good to me. I prefer the magsec/RR combination to the bolt/ARR one, but the Hawk Scout comes with RR and bolt, both slow firing, so not good for any close range work. It's nice to know "my" racial scout has at least a few benefits. :)
IMO, Cal scout best scout, because caldari. Love my hawk suit. The RR/BP combo it comes with is why i mentioned flipping to the ARR or magsex, brings balance.
Evening Boys, Hows the water?
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
16
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Posted - 2015.10.02 17:30:00 -
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Harbingerof War wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Harbingerof War wrote:I've been running the cal scout pretty good with a **** ton of enhancers and complex damps on in the lows. I run it mainly in the city and just flank around with the assaults and medium suits standing in the front. I'm weak as **** but I'm pretty good at finding most suits close to me. Yep, weak as **** and getting weaker. Weak as **** is what happens with a half-second or less TTK. "But we're slowing TTK!", you say. Sadly, efforts to slow TTK will benefit you by far less degree than everyone else. Slower TTK doesn't apply to you; slower TTK requires stacking HP Modules. You're weak as **** (which is why your loadout is non-existent in competitive play) and you're getting relatively weaker. All hail King HP. Is that post supposed to be a bad thing against me or a rant about it. I'm very confused right now.
Random rant about the direction CPM2 appears to be taking the game. Nothing wrong at all with your EWAR Scout loadout. I think it has every right to participate meaningfully at the competitive level. Same with biotic Scouts. Same with glass cannon Scouts. Same with every other reasonable, non-HP oriented playstyle.
* Not to say balance can't or won't be achieved, but as I see it, the more value added to HP and HP modules, the more difficult it'll be to bring non-HP oriented playstyles up-to-par. |
Matticus Monk
Nos Nothi
3
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Posted - 2015.10.02 19:31:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:Gotta say I'm really tempted to try the Amarr next, just because "hard mode". Im going to call the asylum and have you committed before you hurt yourself.
It is too late for me....
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knight guard fury
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.10.03 02:33:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:I think people are exaggerating the differences between the scouts a bit here.
Essentially I agree the Gal scout is the best overall. Cal scout is still pretty good. Min scout's hacking ability can be useful, and knives are a lot of fun, it's not a bad suit. Amarr may struggle to be particularly useful over the others, it's not much worse though.
At the end of the day, the important things about scouts are being fast and stealthy. Gal and Cal get a bonus to stealth, the others don't. It's a bit of an odd situation. Minmatar is at least pretty fast to start with. Amarr is not great at either.
minmatar dont need cloaks for stealth. we are already so fast that by the time they start looking for us they we will be at least 30-50m away from the scene unless said minmatar is hunting and stalking its foe
Kin of the Vherokior tribe and warrior of the republic
Self proclaimed minmatar lore master
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