DUST Search - Good bye scrambler rifle.

axis alpha wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

axis alpha wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

You also realize this is more typical CCP bullshit of buffing shields through nerfing the ScR right?

I am glad to see we have come full circle back to the garbage of the past.

This community will never be happy. Someone is always gonna cry and get what they want. They will advocate their lives to get what they want. Yeah I complain but not to the extent to some others. Its always gonna go back and forth. But this time around they are making it so the weapons are racial specific and can be utilized best with paired racial suits (assaults).

This is only neutering the idea of being able to fit what you want. Forcing players to fit certain suits to run a weapon goes against all that is New Eden. Sure in Eve ships get great bonuses to weapons but those weapons are not 100% useless on every other suit.

We have also very much proven in the past that buffing one thing through nerfing another is just a vicious circle that leads to balance never being reached and FOTMs becoming the only option for new players who do not have the skill or SP to fight FOTM with anything besides FOTM.

Dumping this idea of buffing through nerfing was the best thing Rattati ever did but that is obviously making its way out the window. CCP does not care as long as it leads to selling more respecs and warbarge components.

It is no wonder this game is slowly burning to the ground.

My thing is I won't use a weapon if I KNOW it's op because it's just gonna get nerfed. So I don't have the grieve like you are right now. I understand what you are saying though. It is a cycle I also thought we had gotten out of. I never had a huge problem with the scr but it got nerfed hard. I'm sure it'll get buffed.........and then nerf the ar.

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deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.24 11:27:00 - [1] - Quote The weapon will now be total trash on anything besides on Amarr assault. Newbies will be totally unable to kill with this weapon so no new ScR users will be popping up anytime soon. I am glad that we could come up with a band aid to make sure the weapon is only viable after spending a few million SP. Typical CCP I suppose. Introduce huge skill bonuses on certain suits and then only balance around those bonuses effectively nulling anyone else. This is why we will never have a new player experience worth speaking of. Buy more boosters if you want to be able to use anything besides an assault rifle. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Regnier Feros Pielords 756	Posted - 2015.09.24 11:33:00 - [2] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The weapon will now be total trash on anything besides on Amarr assault. Newbies will be totally unable to kill with this weapon so no new ScR users will be popping up anytime soon. I am glad that we could come up with a band aid to make sure the weapon is only viable after spending a few million SP. Typical CCP I suppose. Introduce huge skill bonuses on certain suits and then only balance around those bonuses effectively nulling anyone else. This is why we will never have a new player experience worth speaking of. Buy more boosters if you want to be able to use anything besides an assault rifle. Stop overreacting LongLiveQueenZarZar
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.24 11:36:00 - [3] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The weapon will now be total trash on anything besides on Amarr assault. Newbies will be totally unable to kill with this weapon so no new ScR users will be popping up anytime soon. I am glad that we could come up with a band aid to make sure the weapon is only viable after spending a few million SP. Typical CCP I suppose. Introduce huge skill bonuses on certain suits and then only balance around those bonuses effectively nulling anyone else. This is why we will never have a new player experience worth speaking of. Buy more boosters if you want to be able to use anything besides an assault rifle. Stop overreacting Run a ScR on a new character and watch what happens. The thing was barely useful without being fully skilled as is and now is just going to be trash. I really don't care since I have both the weapon and the suit maxed out I am just sick and tired of seeing diversity for new players kicked in the nuts because CCP wants to base things on skills and then nerf it so that the only way it is viable is with those skills. Terrible design is terrible design. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion No Context 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 11:38:00 - [4] - Quote On the other hand, I recieved my ar rof buff, meaning I can kill more and more and quiver and I also got a pg reduction on Kincats so I can fit more damage and more and more and I can kill more and more and I'm op now and more and more and what are sentinels???? My at already melts them in cqc without even loosing my shields. Now they don't stand a chance muahahahahahaha CEO of T-W-L YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514 Twitter- @LD3514
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.24 11:44:00 - [5] - Quote You also realize this is more typical CCP bullshit of buffing shields through nerfing the ScR right? I am glad to see we have come full circle back to the garbage of the past. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
axis alpha ScReWeD uP InC 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:05:00 - [6] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: On the other hand, I recieved my ar rof buff, meaning I can kill more and more and quiver and I also got a pg reduction on Kincats so I can fit more damage and more and more and I can kill more and more and I'm op now and more and more and what are sentinels???? My at already melts them in cqc without even loosing my shields. Now they don't stand a chance muahahahahahaha Would you stfu about your op gal and the ar already dude. You scream of someone who NEEDS a crutch to play this game. And always screaming about your officer weapons. I've never even seen you in game dude. Hullaballo and howdy doo! Musty prawns, and Timbucktu. Yeltsibee and hibbertyhoo Kick 'em in the dishpan. Hoo hoo hoo!
axis alpha ScReWeD uP InC 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:12:00 - [7] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: You also realize this is more typical CCP bullshit of buffing shields through nerfing the ScR right? I am glad to see we have come full circle back to the garbage of the past. This community will never be happy. Someone is always gonna cry and get what they want. They will advocate their lives to get what they want. Yeah I complain but not to the extent to some others. Its always gonna go back and forth. But this time around they are making it so the weapons are racial specific and can be utilized best with paired racial suits (assaults). Hullaballo and howdy doo! Musty prawns, and Timbucktu. Yeltsibee and hibbertyhoo Kick 'em in the dishpan. Hoo hoo hoo!
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:27:00 - [8] - Quote I must admit that the scrambler nerf is really hard : overheating even faster, kick multiplied by FOUR and you're slow as fack when you charge it... I don't think it'll be good even on amarr assault lvl 5 anymore. We'll have to wait for Hotfix Giggle to have it buffed again. Rest of the patch is great tho, the AR will finally be a good weapon in CQC with the gal assault and that is a great great thing ! Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER ! - Sequal Rise
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:48:00 - [9] - Quote axis alpha wrote: deezy dabest wrote: You also realize this is more typical CCP bullshit of buffing shields through nerfing the ScR right? I am glad to see we have come full circle back to the garbage of the past. This community will never be happy. Someone is always gonna cry and get what they want. They will advocate their lives to get what they want. Yeah I complain but not to the extent to some others. Its always gonna go back and forth. But this time around they are making it so the weapons are racial specific and can be utilized best with paired racial suits (assaults). This is only neutering the idea of being able to fit what you want. Forcing players to fit certain suits to run a weapon goes against all that is New Eden. Sure in Eve ships get great bonuses to weapons but those weapons are not 100% useless on every other suit. We have also very much proven in the past that buffing one thing through nerfing another is just a vicious circle that leads to balance never being reached and FOTMs becoming the only option for new players who do not have the skill or SP to fight FOTM with anything besides FOTM. Dumping this idea of buffing through nerfing was the best thing Rattati ever did but that is obviously making its way out the window. CCP does not care as long as it leads to selling more respecs and warbarge components. It is no wonder this game is slowly burning to the ground. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:01:00 - [10] - Quote >Came expecting players whining over the loss of their crutch >Left with a sense of righteous vindication Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:05:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: >Came expecting players whining over the loss of their crutch >Left with a sense of righteous vindication Mission Complete. R.T.B. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:07:00 - [12] - Quote Do I smell an FA party in here? Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:10:00 - [13] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Do I smell an FA party in here? I think youre right? Something does smell like fresh plantains. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
axis alpha ScReWeD uP InC 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:17:00 - [14] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: axis alpha wrote: deezy dabest wrote: You also realize this is more typical CCP bullshit of buffing shields through nerfing the ScR right? I am glad to see we have come full circle back to the garbage of the past. This community will never be happy. Someone is always gonna cry and get what they want. They will advocate their lives to get what they want. Yeah I complain but not to the extent to some others. Its always gonna go back and forth. But this time around they are making it so the weapons are racial specific and can be utilized best with paired racial suits (assaults). This is only neutering the idea of being able to fit what you want. Forcing players to fit certain suits to run a weapon goes against all that is New Eden. Sure in Eve ships get great bonuses to weapons but those weapons are not 100% useless on every other suit. We have also very much proven in the past that buffing one thing through nerfing another is just a vicious circle that leads to balance never being reached and FOTMs becoming the only option for new players who do not have the skill or SP to fight FOTM with anything besides FOTM. Dumping this idea of buffing through nerfing was the best thing Rattati ever did but that is obviously making its way out the window. CCP does not care as long as it leads to selling more respecs and warbarge components. It is no wonder this game is slowly burning to the ground. My thing is I won't use a weapon if I KNOW it's op because it's just gonna get nerfed. So I don't have the grieve like you are right now. I understand what you are saying though. It is a cycle I also thought we had gotten out of. I never had a huge problem with the scr but it got nerfed hard. I'm sure it'll get buffed.........and then nerf the ar. Hullaballo and howdy doo! Musty prawns, and Timbucktu. Yeltsibee and hibbertyhoo Kick 'em in the dishpan. Hoo hoo hoo!
Regnier Feros Pielords 756	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:25:00 - [15] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Do I smell an FA party in here? FA.gs XD LongLiveQueenZarZar
Avallo Kantor 879	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:39:00 - [16] - Quote The ScR in both variants will still be strong in it's intended purpose, especially on Amarr Suits where the heat build up is less of an issue, especially on the AScr. The ScR was never intended to work as walking around with a constant charge shot. It is, according to what I have seen / read, supposed to basically allow for two modes: One for assaulty shooty fun, and one for high precision shots, almost like a close-range laser sniper. I use AScr on my Am Assault (lvl 5) and I don't think I've ever overheated it even when wildly firing an entire clip slightly to the left of some guy. Also the charge shot feature is not going away, and that can still straight up kill more lightly armored scouts and shield tankers. The curious feature about the AScR is the 15% damage buff we received a while ago so that weapon will still be an anomaly on the damage / range curve. This means that the AScR will still have a lot of value, even more so with the shield buff. "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
Regnier Feros Pielords 756	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:41:00 - [17] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: The ScR in both variants will still be strong in it's intended purpose, especially on Amarr Suits where the heat build up is less of an issue, especially on the AScr. The ScR was never intended to work as walking around with a constant charge shot. It is, according to what I have seen / read, supposed to basically allow for two modes: One for assaulty shooty fun, and one for high precision shots, almost like a close-range laser sniper. I use AScr on my Am Assault (lvl 5) and I don't think I've ever overheated it even when wildly firing an entire clip slightly to the left of some guy. Also the charge shot feature is not going away, and that can still straight up kill more lightly armored scouts and shield tankers. The curious feature about the AScR is the 15% damage buff we received a while ago so that weapon will still be an anomaly on the damage / range curve. This means that the AScR will still have a lot of value, even more so with the shield buff. that AScr nerf is very small judging by the spreadsheet, i'm totally going to try the vanilla Scr after the hotfix LongLiveQueenZarZar
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:46:00 - [18] - Quote axis alpha wrote: deezy dabest wrote: axis alpha wrote: deezy dabest wrote: You also realize this is more typical CCP bullshit of buffing shields through nerfing the ScR right? I am glad to see we have come full circle back to the garbage of the past. This community will never be happy. Someone is always gonna cry and get what they want. They will advocate their lives to get what they want. Yeah I complain but not to the extent to some others. Its always gonna go back and forth. But this time around they are making it so the weapons are racial specific and can be utilized best with paired racial suits (assaults). This is only neutering the idea of being able to fit what you want. Forcing players to fit certain suits to run a weapon goes against all that is New Eden. Sure in Eve ships get great bonuses to weapons but those weapons are not 100% useless on every other suit. We have also very much proven in the past that buffing one thing through nerfing another is just a vicious circle that leads to balance never being reached and FOTMs becoming the only option for new players who do not have the skill or SP to fight FOTM with anything besides FOTM. Dumping this idea of buffing through nerfing was the best thing Rattati ever did but that is obviously making its way out the window. CCP does not care as long as it leads to selling more respecs and warbarge components. It is no wonder this game is slowly burning to the ground. My thing is I won't use a weapon if I KNOW it's op because it's just gonna get nerfed. So I don't have the grieve like you are right now. I understand what you are saying though. It is a cycle I also thought we had gotten out of. I never had a huge problem with the scr but it got nerfed hard. I'm sure it'll get buffed.........and then nerf the ar. The little bit that I play lately sees very little ScR use just because I suck at tracking jumpers with it. My problem is not with it getting nerfed but with it becoming completely built around players who have fully maxed the weapon and the suit. Making a weapon totally useless without millions of SP invested is bad for everyone that does not have that SP invested meaning that is one less weapon that new players have the chance to experiment with. We are already fairly short on diversity for new players and this only makes it worse. I am also pretty sure that the nerf to the kick multiplier is ONLY because of modded controller use but it is hard to get into why I feel that way. What it boils down to is we have a weapon getting almost completely cut off to new players because of high SP players spamming it and because of modded controller use which should not even exist. There is no one that wins in this scenario except for CCP who will collect a good deal of respec money from the low to mid level SP FOTM chasers. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:46:00 - [19] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Do I smell an FA party in here? FA.gs XD NO THREAD IS SAFE Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:48:00 - [20] - Quote Where's a linky? Also, was there a Scrambler Rifle Discussion/Feedback that I missed? AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... " Not For Sale- Sanders 2016

noob cavman Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:50:00 - [21] - Quote ****. I can no longer take part in these shenanigans. The most abusive northerner. currently reading crossed by alan moore. Remember your table salt XD
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:51:00 - [22] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Where's a linky? Also, was there a Scrambler Rifle Discussion/Feedback that I missed? No discussion that I saw but I did miss a bunch of the CPM threads because none of them were sticky so they were easily over looked. Here is a link to the feedback thread for the hotfix. Here is a direct link to the spreadsheet ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Tri Stone Intara Direct Action Caldari State 25	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:13:00 - [23] - Quote I didn't notice it said 4x the kick.... are you ******* serious? that seems like an over nerf to me..... I understand tweaking one thing at a time to avoid making it underpowered but with the buff of the other rifles and the nerf of this one it is clear as day those other weapons will outclass it. Reduced kick on Rail rifle.... and rof buff to AR's..... At first I assumed you devs didn't play the game but I am one thousand percent sure you don't even touch a controller
WyrmHero1945 Finesse Soldiers 703	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:26:00 - [24] - Quote ScR was OP, the nerf was inevitable. I like the charge changes, it makes sense that only Amarr can truly use the weapon to its potential. Ever tried the Laser Rifle on another suit? Probably it'll be the same thing.
Regnier Feros Pielords 756	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:44:00 - [25] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: ScR was OP, the nerf was inevitable. I like the charge changes, it makes sense that only Amarr can truly use the weapon to its potential. Ever tried the Laser Rifle on another suit? Probably it'll be the same thing. The laser is ok-ish on the amarr mando but truly shines on the assault sigh where's the av laser rifle? LongLiveQueenZarZar
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:44:00 - [26] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: ScR was OP, the nerf was inevitable. I like the charge changes, it makes sense that only Amarr can truly use the weapon to its potential. Ever tried the Laser Rifle on another suit? Probably it'll be the same thing. I can use an AR, RR or CR very effectively on every single suits tho. Why ScR must have a special treatment ? Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER ! - Sequal Rise
WyrmHero1945 Finesse Soldiers 703	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:48:00 - [27] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: ScR was OP, the nerf was inevitable. I like the charge changes, it makes sense that only Amarr can truly use the weapon to its potential. Ever tried the Laser Rifle on another suit? Probably it'll be the same thing. I can use an AR, RR or CR very effectively on every single suits tho. Why ScR must have a special treatment ? Idk man, probably because it's a holy gun.
Saint Winter The Warlords Legion No Context 133	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:48:00 - [28] - Quote Hello everyone. Remember something, always something for repair, a new problem appears. (Whether tastes of the players, or new things)
Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 2	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:00:00 - [29] - Quote The better question, OP, is why you were using a holy weapon on anything other than Empress(RIP) approved gold bricks. "Sex is OK!" -CCP Rouge, Executive Producer of Dust and our benevolent overlord.
REDBACK96USMC Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 246	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:11:00 - [30] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: ScR was OP, the nerf was inevitable. I like the charge changes, it makes sense that only Amarr can truly use the weapon to its potential. Ever tried the Laser Rifle on another suit? Probably it'll be the same thing. The laser is ok-ish on the amarr mando but truly shines on the assault sigh where's the av laser rifle? That is called a Viktors................



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