Scanners play into EWAR and EWAR is in need of being revamped.

But hey, metaphorically saying "Sieg Heil" to the status quo is better than any revamp, so have at it.

ITT: Scrub makes soft comparison between scan defenders and WWII losers, parents of said poster ashamed.

More at 11.

Use a scout suit. Caldari and Gallente offer the lowest scan profiles. With the skill at level 5 and 2 dampeners you can probably get past the GalLogi focused scanner. I don't know really. Why? Because I don't care about being scanned.

Don't you guys remember how beta radar worked? Radars were SHARED. If you had a scout in your team, and he detected everything, you'll see red dots all over in your radar at all times. There were always red dots in the radar, scouts if seen/targeted would appear on radar as well, and everybody would see them.

Now it's rare if there's a GalLogi on the other team, and if it is, you gotta think that he spent valuable SP for the ewar role. Did you spend anything on not getting seen? If scanners are nerfed in some way, how the **** I'm supposed to hunt you on my scout suit? Trade HP for range and precision modules? **** you!

Stop the nerf scanners trend ffs!

Or even better than a scout suit, put dampeners on your assault. Your still left with as many or more free slots than a scout. And you have way more hp and weapon bonuses.

3 profile damps on your assault will hide you from Gal logis unless they are using focused scans. But scouts can't really hide from them either so it doesn't matter.

The scanner I most commonly use is the CreoDron Flux Active Scanner which has a scan precision of 21dB when used by my GalLogi. My GalAss requires 3 Complex Damage Modules in order to bring its Scan Profile down to 20dB so that it can avoid being detected by the CreoDron Flux Active Scanner.

If I equip 5 Complex Profile Dampeners to my GalAss its scan profile is brought down to 18dB. The scan precision of a Duvolle Focused Active Scanner on my GalLogi is 15dB.

The scanner I most commonly use is the CreoDron Flux Active Scanner which has a scan precision of 21dB when used by my GalLogi. My GalAss requires 3 Complex Damage Modules in order to bring its Scan Profile down to 20dB so that it can avoid being detected by the CreoDron Flux Active Scanner.

My question is why are you trying to turn an assault suit into a scout suit? Why not run the scout suit which clearly has a passive bonus to being dampened?

My question is why are you trying to turn an assault suit into a scout suit? Why not run the scout suit which clearly has a passive bonus to being dampened?

Once they make them like real active scanners, then ok.
Until then, they are broken.

Active scanner - see vehicle scanner

Sieg Heil sounds cooler than " long live" or"hail" or other comparable english phrases. But hey, get blinded by historical context that was in no way related to or implied by my post.

But hey, dumb things down to WWII and make the assumption that I was making a comparison to Naz-½s. It only showcases your inability to think critically.

My recommendation: stop being an intellectually deficit Amarrian sodomite and realize that, due to the circumstances of my birth, Pasipha+½ and Poseidon were already ashamed.

A Level 5 Gallente Scout will need 3 Profile Dampener Modules in order to avoid the scans my GalLogi can provide using the Duvolle Focused Active Scanner. My Level 5 GalLogi with a Duvolle Focused Active Scanner has a scan precision of 15 dB. My Level 5 GalScout with two Complex Profile Dampeners has a scan profile of 16 dB.

In order to fully equip your suit to combat permascanning you would essentially have to gimp your suit to the point where you will not stand much of a chance in battle.

To suggest that there is nothing wrong with the Active Scanner system is to try and sweep the dirt under the rug.

1) The amount of sacrifice needed to dampen is significantly greater than the sacrifice needed to scan.

2) When EWAR changes went through, the Active Scanner remained untouched, creating further imbalance.

3) You can use multiple Active Scanners to negate the cooldown period and produce "always on" active scans.

4) With increase squad sizes in FW and PC, the number of Gal Logi w/ Duvolle Active Scan users per Teammate Receiving the Info has decreased significantly. In PC, just one is all that is needed to share with a whole team. If that is what they had intended that particular scanner to do, they would never have made it Squad Share vs. Team Share like the others.

By your logic, if two teams in PC each have one Gal Logi with a bunch of Duvolle scanners, then each team should have to field scouts to counter it. That is a very flawed argument.

There have been several sensible suggestions to changing the Active Scanner so that it can still be useful without providing such a significant benefit for so very little sacrifice.

The problem isn't scanning its being perms scanned the entire game. If equipment had charges (ammo) itd be better but being able to scan people unlimitedly at 15 db is kinda dumb (it takes 3 cplx damps and lvl 5 galscout to be able to get under that) and just running a scout suit doesn't fix the problem it actually hinders you more when they do find you cause if you fit damps you gimp your suit ( I really don't care I run all bottles on my minscout)

Use a scout suit. Caldari and Gallente offer the lowest scan profiles. With the skill at level 5 and 2 dampeners you can probably get past the GalLogi focused scanner. I don't know really. Why? Because I don't care about being scanned.

Don't you guys remember how beta radar worked? Radars were SHARED. If you had a scout in your team, and he detected everything, you'll see red dots all over in your radar at all times. There were always red dots in the radar, scouts if seen/targeted would appear on radar as well, and everybody would see them.

Now it's rare if there's a GalLogi on the other team, and if it is, you gotta think that he spent valuable SP for the ewar role. Did you spend anything on not getting seen? If scanners are nerfed in some way, how the **** I'm supposed to hunt you on my scout suit? Trade HP for range and precision modules? **** you!

Stop the nerf scanners trend ffs!

If two teams field tanks they'd need to field AV as well...see where this is going? If you want to counter something, yes, you must field the counters.

Any frame, btw, can visually spot a GalLogi and call him out to the team. TW is OP.

There are plenty of ways to make Active Scans balanced and useful, so maybe instead of dragging your feet about changes, you could promote and suggest some that may alleviate some of the reasonable abuses and balance issues regarding the Active Scanners.

So we should all create **** fits in order to stay invisible to a single OP equipment (as long as its not a flux) ? No thanks. It goes against the core of the game and limit the fitting possibilities A LOT.

Learn to hunt by yourself. Use your eyes and get good ffs. Saying that you can't be a proper scout without scanners is so scrubby I'd be ashamed to use this as an argument.

The problem becomes when the risk/rewards become imbalanced.

With Active Scanners, the risks are little, the benefits great, and the necessary counters are extreme with little reward and significantly greater risk and cost.

Scouts had counters when they were spammed, it was other scouts. That was a crap meta. Forcing everyone into one play style because of a single piece of EQ is likewise a crap meta.

There are plenty of ways to make Active Scans balanced and useful, so maybe instead of dragging your feet about changes, you could promote and suggest some that may alleviate some of the reasonable abuses and balance issues regarding the Active Scanners.

Quick fact check (just in case):

Last year's Scout shared its passive scans squadwide with up to a maximum of five other players. Recon Scout passives were ruled to be OP, heavily nerfed, and their former function is today being filled by the GalLogi.

This year's Active Scans are shared teamwide. The only exception is the Duvolle Focused Scanner which shares results only with squad (though squad sizes today can now reach higher counts than before).

May have misread the OP, but thought I should clear up the above points. Passive Scans have been shared with Squad since Uprising.

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My two cents:

Today's Recon GalLogis are easy mode compared to yesterday's paperthin (~250HP) Recon Scouts. They get a lot more done with a lot less effort and risk exposure. I personally think that Permascan is imbalanced at any risk level and would very much like to see it fixed.