DUST Search - This is the real problem (trying to fix the video)

Void Echo wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Void Echo wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

Void Echo wrote:

And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.

If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.

Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team.

You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad.

I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now...

And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny.

Then do explain to me why people leave in droves when they see that they are put up against proto stompers or when they are red lined within the first minute, explain that to me.

Tell me why after years of being online, dust players have decreased dramatically to the point where you fight the same people over and over again. Tell me why new players don't willingly stay in a fight when their not even getting a chance to move before they are killed

WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

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Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 21:08:00 - [1] - Quote When you have the top 10 corps q-syncing and going against 100% randoms. I understand that it was a factional bit why is there not a system to put q-syncing against q-syncing? That would eliminate at least %50 of the rage quits and daily biomasses. Video here After that, we ended up going against the exact same ae guys. Both times they went up to 20-2 while our team went at most 2-20. In public matches this should not be possible. This is the cause for at least 50% of all rage quits and biomass per day. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.09.09 21:11:00 - [2] - Quote Link doesn't work "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 21:38:00 - [3] - Quote Link fixed Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 21:49:00 - [4] - Quote I fail to see how 9 out of 16 is "nothing but Ancient Exiles" I am not sure if you have heard but there are these things called 8 man squads which are pretty good for battling Q syncs. Also as far as I know there is nothing blocking you from Q syncing as well. Why the hell are people in this game such freaking babies? I have never seen a more toxic community in my life. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.09.09 21:53:00 - [5] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: I fail to see how 9 out of 16 is "nothing but Ancient Exiles" I am not sure if you have heard but there are these things called 8 man squads which are pretty good for battling Q syncs. Also as far as I know there is nothing blocking you from Q syncing as well. Why the hell are people in this game such freaking babies? I have never seen a more toxic community in my life. Two different playstyles are at work. Add to that new players that also deserve to battle others at their level. One sided matches between tryhards and casuals, newbs and solo players are bad and hurt the game as a product. The adults are the ones realizing this. The babies are the ones that don't want to see the problems or fix them. CPM RESULTS SUMMERIZED
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:01:00 - [6] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I fail to see how 9 out of 16 is "nothing but Ancient Exiles" I am not sure if you have heard but there are these things called 8 man squads which are pretty good for battling Q syncs. Also as far as I know there is nothing blocking you from Q syncing as well. Why the hell are people in this game such freaking babies? I have never seen a more toxic community in my life. Two different playstyles are at work. Add to that new players that also deserve to battle others at their level. One sided matches between tryhards and casuals, newbs and solo players are bad and hurt the game as a product. The adults are the ones realizing this. The babies are the ones that don't want to see the problems or fix them. Faction warfare is the one game mode that actually works right. The only people that have a problem with Q syncs are the ones too lazy to even form up an 8 man squad. There is this funny little thing called public contracts which if you read the description is specifically made for small squads and solo players. Yes there is a problem with pub matches but that is not a reason to scream and cry to break the game mode that actually works. Oddly enough everyone seems absolutely intent on ignoring the real problem with public contracts and instead kick and scream to punish people for leaving battle. Oh and have any of you tried syncing in pub contracts? 90% of the time you end up against each other. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 132	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:03:00 - [7] - Quote This doesn't look like a q-sync to me. There's nine AE there. It's entirely possible it was an 8-man squad of AE, perfectly fine, and then one AE guy happened to be solo q-ing for FW and happened to be put with a team of his buddies. Alternatively, it's two squads of four and five, which is also fine. Even if it was a 'q-sync', it's literally just one extra person. Why take the time to ***** about this? You just look silly. In your outrage you even went to the effort of recording it. I do agree that full squads being placed against randoms is more than a bit BS, though.
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:11:00 - [8] - Quote The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:14:00 - [9] - Quote the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare. Period. End. Stop. It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed. Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:15:00 - [10] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare. Period. End. Stop. It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed. Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic. This is no excuse for not caring what happens to new players. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:17:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare. Period. End. Stop. It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed. Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic. FW just puts in whoever is queued and gives priority to squads. To those above who can not comprehend how this ends up working. That means if you make a squad and hit search you are going to get put against other squads. Randoms are just used as filler. It's not Scotty's fault that you can not make a squad so you either end up waiting for ever or end up bundled in with the other lazy asses. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:17:00 - [12] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I do agree that full squads being placed against randoms is more than a bit BS, though. This is the exact point I'm trying to get across here. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:19:00 - [13] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare. Period. End. Stop. It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed. Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic. This is no excuse for not caring what happens to new players. No one is forcing them to go into FW. There is a whole set of game modes which are even labeled as being for small squads and solo players. It has now even been updated to allow only the smallest squad size in the game. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:20:00 - [14] - Quote Void Echo wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I do agree that full squads being placed against randoms is more than a bit BS, though. This is the exact point I'm trying to get across here. deezy dabest wrote: FW just puts in whoever is queued and gives priority to squads. To those above who can not comprehend how this ends up working. That means if you make a squad and hit search you are going to get put against other squads. Randoms are just used as filler. It's not Scotty's fault that you can not make a squad so you either end up waiting for ever or end up bundled in with the other lazy asses. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 2	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:20:00 - [15] - Quote Void Echo wrote: This is no excuse for not caring what happens to new players. He never said that. FW is competitive, be prepared for a challenge. I challenge you to a Gwent duel! YouTube
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:21:00 - [16] - Quote Do you guys even read or listen? This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. In the video I even said that factional doesn't have this problem, this is the problem for public matches. I swear the average iq here is less than 50..... Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:25:00 - [17] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Do you guys even read or listen? This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. In the video I even said that factional doesn't have this problem, this is the problem for public matches. I swear the average iq here is less than 50..... If you are talking about public battles do not post a faction warfare roster as evidence to prove your point. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:25:00 - [18] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Do you guys even read or listen? This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. I swear the average iq here is less than 50..... Did you even read your own post or watch your own video? You go on about FW and post a video of FW and throw in one line about pub matches. Like I said above which was obviously way above your head is that this very rarely happens in pubs because when you try to sync you get put against each other almost every time. Just plain LOL @ using FW for evidence that pubs are broken and then calling people stupid for talking about FW. You must be averaging the IQ based on yourself. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 843	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:26:00 - [19] - Quote Factional should be like that... It's supposed to be more competitive ( that's why factional goodies are better ) But I think pubs should be squad free... Most people that start playing are doing it solo. Four high sp players on a squad can almost guarantee a win. When I was in a squad with players over 100 million sp ( me included ) we won over 20 games in a row on a Saturday when all of us stuck together. Even with one of us afk every couple rounds.
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:28:00 - [20] - Quote And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:31:00 - [21] - Quote Void Echo wrote: And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. ++ Remove NPC orbitals from FW -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest ++
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 572	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:31:00 - [22] - Quote The problem is the newbies who enter to factional warfare.... FW need rank 2 or more restriction to be more competitive... not only new accounts and AFK's -- Ecce Initio -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:32:00 - [23] - Quote Void Echo wrote: And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. the manner in which you have presented your evidence is called "dishonest" or at best "cherrypicking evidence." If you're going to complain that this is constantly happening in pubs, then start showing your daily rotation of public contract rosters. If you cannot do that much, then your objectivity and honesty is suspect. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:32:00 - [24] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Void Echo wrote: And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now... Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:33:00 - [25] - Quote Void Echo wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Void Echo wrote: And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now... And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:34:00 - [26] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Void Echo wrote: And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. the manner in which you have presented your evidence is called "dishonest" or at best "cherrypicking evidence." If you're going to complain that this is constantly happening in pubs, then start showing your daily rotation of public contract rosters. If you cannot do that much, then your objectivity and honesty is suspect. Do you really believe that new players don't quit because they go 1-30 every fight they have against people who have millions more sp than them? Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
Void Echo Helix Evolution I.W.C 3	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:35:00 - [27] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Void Echo wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Void Echo wrote: And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now... And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny. Then do explain to me why people leave in droves when they see that they are put up against proto stompers or when they are red lined within the first minute, explain that to me. Tell me why after years of being online, dust players have decreased dramatically to the point where you fight the same people over and over again. Tell me why new players don't willingly stay in a fight when their not even getting a chance to move before they are killed Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:37:00 - [28] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Void Echo wrote: And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. the manner in which you have presented your evidence is called "dishonest" or at best "cherrypicking evidence." If you're going to complain that this is constantly happening in pubs, then start showing your daily rotation of public contract rosters. If you cannot do that much, then your objectivity and honesty is suspect. Do you really believe that new players don't quit because they go 1-30 every fight they have against people who have millions more sp than them? Do you actually understand how the matchmaker works? It does not partition 10m SP players from 50m SP players. it balances teams. All it does, is make sure that similarly performing players are matched off against similarly performing players. and it does this regardless. so it's rigged to allow 4 vets on one team, 5 vets on the other, two midrange players on the one missing a vet and everything else filled by sub-10-mil SP players. it is team balancing, not SP tiering. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:39:00 - [29] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Void Echo wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Void Echo wrote: And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats. If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact. Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now... And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny. Then do explain to me why people leave in droves when they see that they are put up against proto stompers or when they are red lined within the first minute, explain that to me. Tell me why after years of being online, dust players have decreased dramatically to the point where you fight the same people over and over again. Tell me why new players don't willingly stay in a fight when their not even getting a chance to move before they are killed the first ones to leave are invariably the squad of stompers that doesn't want the fight against another squad. people are leaving before the majority of players are fully loaded into the game, and newsflash, it's not just the solo randumbs. I see whole squads from the same corp leave together. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 132	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:39:00 - [30] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Do you guys even read or listen? This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. In the video I even said that factional doesn't have this problem, this is the problem for public matches. I swear the average iq here is less than 50..... Basically what Breakin said. If you want to tell us that q-syncing is a problem in pubs then show us a pub match where this has happened. If it's so prevalent then show us as many q-syncing pub matches as you can and prove to us there's a problem. A single FW video where there's 9 AE and you can't even definitively prove that they're q-syncing -and why would they for only one extra person?- isn't nearly enough to back up your claim. Personally, I haven't seen q-syncs happen in pubs since pub squad sizes got reduced. Too much effort for too little reward. It used to be worth it back when squads sizes were a flat six, but trying to q-sync for eight people, only two more than previous squad size, rather than twelve, 3/4 of the scoreboard, just isn't worth it to most folks. And that's good. HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: But I think pubs should be squad free... Most people that start playing are doing it solo. A thousand times nope. Not unless you want to also pull HAV and Dropships from pubs. Vehicles weren't much of a threat back when squad sizes were six. You could split two, maybe even three people from the squad to go take it out. Now that they're four, it's a bit more difficult to coordinate a counter for them and it's either send the whole squad or don't at all. Two people can take out a single tank easily enough, but two people can't be expected to defend a point on their own. Completely removing squads from pubs would make tanks and dropships basically gods.



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