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Void Echo
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:08:00 -
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When you have the top 10 corps q-syncing and going against 100% randoms.
I understand that it was a factional bit why is there not a system to put q-syncing against q-syncing? That would eliminate at least %50 of the rage quits and daily biomasses.
Video here
After that, we ended up going against the exact same ae guys. Both times they went up to 20-2 while our team went at most 2-20.
In public matches this should not be possible. This is the cause for at least 50% of all rage quits and biomass per day.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:11:00 -
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:38:00 -
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deezy dabest
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Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:49:00 -
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I fail to see how 9 out of 16 is "nothing but Ancient Exiles"
I am not sure if you have heard but there are these things called 8 man squads which are pretty good for battling Q syncs. Also as far as I know there is nothing blocking you from Q syncing as well.
Why the hell are people in this game such freaking babies? I have never seen a more toxic community in my life.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:53:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:I fail to see how 9 out of 16 is "nothing but Ancient Exiles"
I am not sure if you have heard but there are these things called 8 man squads which are pretty good for battling Q syncs. Also as far as I know there is nothing blocking you from Q syncing as well.
Why the hell are people in this game such freaking babies? I have never seen a more toxic community in my life.
Two different playstyles are at work. Add to that new players that also deserve to battle others at their level. One sided matches between tryhards and casuals, newbs and solo players are bad and hurt the game as a product.
The adults are the ones realizing this. The babies are the ones that don't want to see the problems or fix them.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:01:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:deezy dabest wrote:I fail to see how 9 out of 16 is "nothing but Ancient Exiles"
I am not sure if you have heard but there are these things called 8 man squads which are pretty good for battling Q syncs. Also as far as I know there is nothing blocking you from Q syncing as well.
Why the hell are people in this game such freaking babies? I have never seen a more toxic community in my life. Two different playstyles are at work. Add to that new players that also deserve to battle others at their level. One sided matches between tryhards and casuals, newbs and solo players are bad and hurt the game as a product. The adults are the ones realizing this. The babies are the ones that don't want to see the problems or fix them.
Faction warfare is the one game mode that actually works right. The only people that have a problem with Q syncs are the ones too lazy to even form up an 8 man squad. There is this funny little thing called public contracts which if you read the description is specifically made for small squads and solo players. Yes there is a problem with pub matches but that is not a reason to scream and cry to break the game mode that actually works. Oddly enough everyone seems absolutely intent on ignoring the real problem with public contracts and instead kick and scream to punish people for leaving battle.
Oh and have any of you tried syncing in pub contracts? 90% of the time you end up against each other.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:03:00 -
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This doesn't look like a q-sync to me. There's nine AE there. It's entirely possible it was an 8-man squad of AE, perfectly fine, and then one AE guy happened to be solo q-ing for FW and happened to be put with a team of his buddies. Alternatively, it's two squads of four and five, which is also fine. Even if it was a 'q-sync', it's literally just one extra person. Why take the time to ***** about this? You just look silly. In your outrage you even went to the effort of recording it.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:11:00 -
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The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:14:00 -
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the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare.
Period.
End.
Stop.
It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed.
Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:15:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare.
Period.
End.
Stop.
It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed.
Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic.
This is no excuse for not caring what happens to new players.
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deezy dabest
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Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:17:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare.
Period.
End.
Stop.
It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed.
Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic.
FW just puts in whoever is queued and gives priority to squads.
To those above who can not comprehend how this ends up working. That means if you make a squad and hit search you are going to get put against other squads. Randoms are just used as filler. It's not Scotty's fault that you can not make a squad so you either end up waiting for ever or end up bundled in with the other lazy asses.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:17:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:I do agree that full squads being placed against randoms is more than a bit BS, though.
This is the exact point I'm trying to get across here.
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deezy dabest
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Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:19:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare.
Period.
End.
Stop.
It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed.
Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic. This is no excuse for not caring what happens to new players.
No one is forcing them to go into FW. There is a whole set of game modes which are even labeled as being for small squads and solo players. It has now even been updated to allow only the smallest squad size in the game.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:20:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:I do agree that full squads being placed against randoms is more than a bit BS, though. This is the exact point I'm trying to get across here.
deezy dabest wrote:
FW just puts in whoever is queued and gives priority to squads.
To those above who can not comprehend how this ends up working. That means if you make a squad and hit search you are going to get put against other squads. Randoms are just used as filler. It's not Scotty's fault that you can not make a squad so you either end up waiting for ever or end up bundled in with the other lazy asses.
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Random Gunz
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:20:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:This is no excuse for not caring what happens to new players.
He never said that. FW is competitive, be prepared for a challenge.
I challenge you to a Gwent duel!
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:21:00 -
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Do you guys even read or listen?
This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. In the video I even said that factional doesn't have this problem, this is the problem for public matches.
I swear the average iq here is less than 50.....
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:25:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Do you guys even read or listen?
This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. In the video I even said that factional doesn't have this problem, this is the problem for public matches.
I swear the average iq here is less than 50.....
If you are talking about public battles do not post a faction warfare roster as evidence to prove your point.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:25:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Do you guys even read or listen?
This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles.
I swear the average iq here is less than 50.....
Did you even read your own post or watch your own video?
You go on about FW and post a video of FW and throw in one line about pub matches.
Like I said above which was obviously way above your head is that this very rarely happens in pubs because when you try to sync you get put against each other almost every time.
Just plain LOL @ using FW for evidence that pubs are broken and then calling people stupid for talking about FW. You must be averaging the IQ based on yourself.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:26:00 -
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Factional should be like that... It's supposed to be more competitive ( that's why factional goodies are better )
But I think pubs should be squad free... Most people that start playing are doing it solo. Four high sp players on a squad can almost guarantee a win. When I was in a squad with players over 100 million sp ( me included ) we won over 20 games in a row on a Saturday when all of us stuck together. Even with one of us afk every couple rounds. |
Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:28:00 -
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And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
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deezy dabest
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Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:31:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team.
You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad.
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Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:31:00 -
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The problem is the newbies who enter to factional warfare.... FW need rank 2 or more restriction to be more competitive... not only new accounts and AFK's
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:32:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
the manner in which you have presented your evidence is called "dishonest" or at best "cherrypicking evidence."
If you're going to complain that this is constantly happening in pubs, then start showing your daily rotation of public contract rosters. If you cannot do that much, then your objectivity and honesty is suspect.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:32:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad.
I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now...
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:33:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now...
And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:34:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
the manner in which you have presented your evidence is called "dishonest" or at best "cherrypicking evidence." If you're going to complain that this is constantly happening in pubs, then start showing your daily rotation of public contract rosters. If you cannot do that much, then your objectivity and honesty is suspect.
Do you really believe that new players don't quit because they go 1-30 every fight they have against people who have millions more sp than them?
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:35:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now... And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny.
Then do explain to me why people leave in droves when they see that they are put up against proto stompers or when they are red lined within the first minute, explain that to me.
Tell me why after years of being online, dust players have decreased dramatically to the point where you fight the same people over and over again. Tell me why new players don't willingly stay in a fight when their not even getting a chance to move before they are killed
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:37:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
the manner in which you have presented your evidence is called "dishonest" or at best "cherrypicking evidence." If you're going to complain that this is constantly happening in pubs, then start showing your daily rotation of public contract rosters. If you cannot do that much, then your objectivity and honesty is suspect. Do you really believe that new players don't quit because they go 1-30 every fight they have against people who have millions more sp than them?
Do you actually understand how the matchmaker works?
It does not partition 10m SP players from 50m SP players.
it balances teams.
All it does, is make sure that similarly performing players are matched off against similarly performing players.
and it does this regardless. so it's rigged to allow 4 vets on one team, 5 vets on the other, two midrange players on the one missing a vet and everything else filled by sub-10-mil SP players.
it is team balancing, not SP tiering.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:39:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now... And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny. Then do explain to me why people leave in droves when they see that they are put up against proto stompers or when they are red lined within the first minute, explain that to me. Tell me why after years of being online, dust players have decreased dramatically to the point where you fight the same people over and over again. Tell me why new players don't willingly stay in a fight when their not even getting a chance to move before they are killed
the first ones to leave are invariably the squad of stompers that doesn't want the fight against another squad. people are leaving before the majority of players are fully loaded into the game, and newsflash, it's not just the solo randumbs. I see whole squads from the same corp leave together.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:39:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Do you guys even read or listen?
This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. In the video I even said that factional doesn't have this problem, this is the problem for public matches.
I swear the average iq here is less than 50.....
Basically what Breakin said. If you want to tell us that q-syncing is a problem in pubs then show us a pub match where this has happened. If it's so prevalent then show us as many q-syncing pub matches as you can and prove to us there's a problem. A single FW video where there's 9 AE and you can't even definitively prove that they're q-syncing -and why would they for only one extra person?- isn't nearly enough to back up your claim. Personally, I haven't seen q-syncs happen in pubs since pub squad sizes got reduced. Too much effort for too little reward. It used to be worth it back when squads sizes were a flat six, but trying to q-sync for eight people, only two more than previous squad size, rather than twelve, 3/4 of the scoreboard, just isn't worth it to most folks. And that's good.
HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:But I think pubs should be squad free... Most people that start playing are doing it solo.
A thousand times nope. Not unless you want to also pull HAV and Dropships from pubs. Vehicles weren't much of a threat back when squad sizes were six. You could split two, maybe even three people from the squad to go take it out. Now that they're four, it's a bit more difficult to coordinate a counter for them and it's either send the whole squad or don't at all. Two people can take out a single tank easily enough, but two people can't be expected to defend a point on their own. Completely removing squads from pubs would make tanks and dropships basically gods. |
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:40:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now... And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny. Then do explain to me why people leave in droves when they see that they are put up against proto stompers or when they are red lined within the first minute, explain that to me
Zero incentive to fight proto versus proto. Generally speaking the loss of 2 proto suits guarantees you will go ISK negative for the battle even if you win. I have consistently proposed a keep what you kill system to award fighting against suits of an equal level and to seriously screw over proto stompers by giving them next to no money for killing a bunch of standard and bpo suits.
Stat padding. For some strange reason people seem to think that K/D is the ruler of this game. For this I have proposed a DNF leader board so that there is negative stat to offset their ability to brag on an arbitrarily inflated number.
No support from their team. See item 1.
See that is how you explain a problem with things that can be easily proven and even propose fixes to those solutions.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:45:00 -
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That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:50:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto
Love how you aren't listening to anything anyone has said.
No one has said "there is no problem."
They have said "The problem, the way you have presented it, is bull***t"
There is a very distinct difference.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:51:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Love how you aren't listening to anything anyone has said. No one has said "there is no problem." They have said "The problem, the way you have presented it, is bull***t" There is a very distinct difference.
I find it funny that you refuse to listen anything I say yet demand me to listen to anything you say
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deezy dabest
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Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:52:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto
Logic must be seriously avoiding you.
If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward.
In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms.
Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent.
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent.
You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers.
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Love how you aren't listening to anything anyone has said. No one has said "there is no problem." They have said "The problem, the way you have presented it, is bull***t" There is a very distinct difference. I find it funny that you refuse to listen anything I say yet demand me to listen to anything you say
I've listened. I watched your video.
Your argument was "this happening in a facwar is evidence there is a problem in pubs."
You have provided no evidence that what you are claiming is happening in pubs with Q-syncs. Were it happening with the frequency you claim people would crap out screenshots of q-synced pub contracts. You would be able to easily get video of your vaunted Pub Q-sync scoreboards without a problem.
People leave, because the stomp squad on their team gets cold feet, they see four people instadrop, and they decide "Hey, um, I don't want to play a match with a squad on the other team and we have none anymore..." So they leave too.
This is a simple, observable cause and effect.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent. You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers.
So just because you see some guys do it once means they do that in every match?
Holy crap I was kidding when I said logic is avoiding you but I think the truth is you bundled it up and threw it out the window.
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent. You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers.
deezy is talking about a new system, not the current system. Protostompers will be less inclined to go proto if they don't receive as large a reward for it and they are basically marking themselves as shiny targets for doing so. Likewise it would be great to kill a proto using a lower tier suit because you would get paid out the ass for it. Are you even reading anything anymore or are you just jumping to defending yourself right away? |
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent. You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers. So just because you see some guys do it once means they do that in every match? Holy crap I was kidding when I said logic is avoiding you but I think the truth is you bundled it up and threw it out the window.
I specifically said I see it happen all the time.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent. You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers. deezy is talking about a new system, not the current system. Protostompers will be less inclined to go proto if they don't receive as large a reward for it and they are basically marking themselves as shiny targets for doing so. Likewise it would be great to kill a proto using a lower tier suit because you would get paid out the ass for it. Are you even reading anything anymore or are you just jumping to defending yourself right away?
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
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Void Echo wrote:
I specifically said I see it happen all the time.
Then bring video of it happening, not video of nine Ancient Exiles in calfacwar or whoever it was.
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Void Echo wrote:I specifically said I see it happen all the time.
If you see it all the time then show us pictures of that. Not a video of a normal Factional match. Show us the pictures of q-syncing in pubs. If it's so frequent then play a few matches and show us your findings. |
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent. You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers. So just because you see some guys do it once means they do that in every match? Holy crap I was kidding when I said logic is avoiding you but I think the truth is you bundled it up and threw it out the window. I specifically said I see it happen all the time.
Thank you sir. You have given this quote true meaning.
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Breakin Stuff
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Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you.
I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:02:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME.
Another example.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:05:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME.
If 85% of the community knew about you you'd probably have gotten a lot more votes for CPM. I was legitimately worried when I saw you nearly knocked out of running. I was seriously glad I took the time to vote after that. |
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. Another example.
I don't hate you any more or less than I hate every other meatbag on this planet who is wasting my space and breathing my oxygen. Don't flatter yourself.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:08:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. Another example.
Someone get this man a bicycle helmet. He should not be in public unprotected. It would seem that he has already walked into many walls.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. If 85% of the community knew about you you'd probably have gotten a lot more votes for CPM. I was legitimately worried when I saw you nearly knocked out of running. I was seriously glad I took the time to vote after that.
I have explained I only put my name is because there's a high chance dust will be on pc by the time the next election takes place.
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. Another example. Someone get this man a bicycle helmet. He should not be in public unprotected. It would seem that he has already walked into many walls.
Examples of intolerance to other view points.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:15:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. If 85% of the community knew about you you'd probably have gotten a lot more votes for CPM. I was legitimately worried when I saw you nearly knocked out of running. I was seriously glad I took the time to vote after that. I have explained I only put my name is because there's a high chance dust will be on pc by the time the next election takes place.
This is kind of awkward, but I wasn't directing that to you. I honestly didn't even know you were running. I knew my votes before I went in and I chose them. |
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. Another example. Someone get this man a bicycle helmet. He should not be in public unprotected. It would seem that he has already walked into many walls. Examples of intolerance to other view points.
Yes intolerance is exactly why I laugh my ass off at you for claiming that 85% of the community hates you. I wish I was so well known by 10s of thousands of people around the world. It must be quite the honor.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Void Echo wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. If 85% of the community knew about you you'd probably have gotten a lot more votes for CPM. I was legitimately worried when I saw you nearly knocked out of running. I was seriously glad I took the time to vote after that. I have explained I only put my name is because there's a high chance dust will be on pc by the time the next election takes place. This is kind of awkward, but I wasn't directing that to you. I honestly didn't even know you were running. I knew my votes before I went in and I chose them.
Oh that made me laugh. That made me laugh a lot.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:19:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Void Echo wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. If 85% of the community knew about you you'd probably have gotten a lot more votes for CPM. I was legitimately worried when I saw you nearly knocked out of running. I was seriously glad I took the time to vote after that. I have explained I only put my name is because there's a high chance dust will be on pc by the time the next election takes place. This is kind of awkward, but I wasn't directing that to you. I honestly didn't even know you were running. I knew my votes before I went in and I chose them.
My bad then
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Void Echo wrote:The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time.
You will never run into an 8 man squad in pubs.
You will see them constantly in FW.
Don't want to play against 8's and 16's don't play FW.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:28:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Void Echo wrote:The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time. You will never run into an 8 man squad in pubs. You will see them constantly in FW. Don't want to play against 8's and 16's don't play FW.
Q-syncs happen in pubs. 8 people are q-syncs
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Void Echo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Void Echo wrote:The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time. You will never run into an 8 man squad in pubs. You will see them constantly in FW. Don't want to play against 8's and 16's don't play FW. Q-syncs happen in pubs. 8 people are q-syncs
I will give you a million ISK if you can post a video of you and 7 other people syncing on to the same team in a pub.
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Void Echo wrote:The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time. You will never run into an 8 man squad in pubs. You will see them constantly in FW. Don't want to play against 8's and 16's don't play FW. Q-syncs happen in pubs. 8 people are q-syncs I will give you a million ISK if you can post a video of you and 7 other people syncing on to the same team in a pub.
I can do that easily. But keep your isk, I have pleanty
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This was a great thread to read  , nobody hates you Echo, lol. It would be nice if q sync fought q sync and randoms fought randoms , but are player base is small . I do agree CCP needs to iron out a few wrinkles, but this Dev team is making great progress o7
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
the manner in which you have presented your evidence is called "dishonest" or at best "cherrypicking evidence." If you're going to complain that this is constantly happening in pubs, then start showing your daily rotation of public contract rosters. If you cannot do that much, then your objectivity and honesty is suspect. Do you really believe that new players don't quit because they go 1-30 every fight they have against people who have millions more sp than them? Do you actually understand how the matchmaker works? It does not partition 10m SP players from 50m SP players. it balances teams. All it does, is make sure that similarly performing players are matched off against similarly performing players. and it does this regardless. so it's rigged to allow 4 vets on one team, 5 vets on the other, two midrange players on the one missing a vet and everything else filled by sub-10-mil SP players. it is team balancing, not SP tiering.
What constitutes vet... K/d, wp, what dam it. I think I'm ranked in the top 200 for wp and I get put up against kasuka sniper and sax regularly.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Void Echo wrote:Do you guys even read or listen?
This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. In the video I even said that factional doesn't have this problem, this is the problem for public matches.
I swear the average iq here is less than 50..... Basically what Breakin said. If you want to tell us that q-syncing is a problem in pubs then show us a pub match where this has happened. If it's so prevalent then show us as many q-syncing pub matches as you can and prove to us there's a problem. A single FW video where there's 9 AE and you can't even definitively prove that they're q-syncing -and why would they for only one extra person?- isn't nearly enough to back up your claim. Personally, I haven't seen q-syncs happen in pubs since pub squad sizes got reduced. Too much effort for too little reward. It used to be worth it back when squads sizes were a flat six, but trying to q-sync for eight people, only two more than previous squad size, rather than twelve, 3/4 of the scoreboard, just isn't worth it to most folks. And that's good. HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:But I think pubs should be squad free... Most people that start playing are doing it solo. A thousand times nope. Not unless you want to also pull HAV and Dropships from pubs. Vehicles weren't much of a threat back when squad sizes were six. You could split two, maybe even three people from the squad to go take it out. Now that they're four, it's a bit more difficult to coordinate a counter for them and it's either send the whole squad or don't at all. Two people can take out a single tank easily enough, but two people can't be expected to defend a point on their own. Completely removing squads from pubs would make tanks and dropships basically gods.
Lol all but double hardened tankers run from solo minmatar commandos, and I kill proto tanks solo regularly, even Duna has had to bail and run to avoid being popped a few times. Bad example.
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Posted - 2015.09.10 00:53:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Void Echo wrote:The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time. You will never run into an 8 man squad in pubs. You will see them constantly in FW. Don't want to play against 8's and 16's don't play FW. Q-syncs happen in pubs. 8 people are q-syncs I will give you a million ISK if you can post a video of you and 7 other people syncing on to the same team in a pub. I can do that easily. But keep your isk, I have pleanty
Video?
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Posted - 2015.09.10 00:59:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare.
Period.
End.
Stop.
It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed.
Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic. This is no excuse for not caring what happens to new players. No one is forcing them to go into FW. There is a whole set of game modes which are even labeled as being for small squads and solo players. It has now even been updated to allow only the smallest squad size in the game.
This game does not inform the players in anyway how matchmaking is set up. A new player has no way of knowing that Public Contracts use matchmaking to try to place them with and against people of equal skill whereas Faction Warfare Contracts do not. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
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Posted - 2015.09.10 01:18:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:When you have the top 10 corps q-syncing and going against 100% randoms. I understand that it was a factional bit why is there not a system to put q-syncing against q-?syncing? That would eliminate at least %50 of the rage quits and biomass daily. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPJm5mpX1kIAfter that, we ended up going against the exact same ae guys. Both times they went up to 20-2 while our team went at most 2-20. In public matches this should not be possible. This is the cause for at least 50% of all rage quits and biomass per day.
Finally , someone else talking about a REAL ISSUE of the game that's ACTUALLY hurting it's growth and yes this is a issue and it's having and HAS HAD a negative effect in the games growth , I mean .. who want's to stick around and get the preverbal game stick shoved up their @$$e$ by a bunch of crappy players that can't perform without 4 others backing them all with PRO gear .
I was watching some old vids yesterday and one came across about King Thunder Bolt and Heracles Porsche when Porsche was talking about how Thunder Bolt was trying to " out " him and while he was talking in his PRO Amarr Sentinel mauling random players in mostly basic gear for the most part , with some people in better gear sprinkled about ... I started to think like I always do in this case , " Why do these You Tubers always use PRO gear when making vids ? " , how does that promote the game when it's own You Tubers ( with the exception of DAAAA BEAST ) promote PRO stomping and they always drop Q's in their vids ?
I know that most of you like HP and the rest but that just perplexes me when I see this vid after vid , how can anyone wonder why this game hasn't grown with it's own promoters just perpetuating one of it's main problems besides the poor performance of the game ?
No one calls them out on this and most just pat these stat padding players on the back and say , " Job well done . " .. this forum is the poison that's ruining the game because most can't see anything besides what's right in front of them and wont acknowledge anything that's not on some spreadsheet .
This doesn't seem like a problem to most because they would just answer with their flawed quotes like , " Welcome to New Eden . " and such but you know what , New Eden is barren because of Jack A's like these people promoting PRO stomping and the rest of the community that just sits in silence about this issue .
How has that helped to create a desire to play Dust 514 and once it has , to keep said new players once they have tried it .?. and has any of them stated many of the flaws of the game in an effort to push CCP to actually clean up the game more then they have pushed their own agenda about what they " want " and " need " from CCP or some other dramatic episode ?
Too much of the buddy system is killing this game from the You Tubers to the CPM , some talk about it and these same have their threads derailed by the trolls that are part of that same system or get their threads locked by CCP for claims of ranting but you know what .?. playing the same game for two plus years and the fact that other games come out ( like Defiance ) that run 100 times better then Dust has in it's existence while the community calls for a port of the game , like a port would solve the problems or like the game it's self isn't the problem , while new Dev's create games on the same PS3 with zero issues compared to Dust 514 , this community is so much part of the problem with their blindness towards addressing some of the REAL ISSUES that plague the game .
It's good to see someone with a little weight FINALLY calling out some of the crap that's going on in-game , now lets see what good that will do while the majority of the community continues to walk around in their perpetual stooper about the REAL ISSUES .
I don't have a problem with wearing anything because you have earned it but to keep destroying the game from the inside by dropping Q's in PRO against random players for the most part in MLT and lesser gear , is just not helping the growth of the game and if you people are just that competitive then why do you need help to stomp lesser players and why not just switch to lesser gear when playing lesser opponents .?. wouldn't that be much more of a challenge .?. but I forgot ... " My Friends .." and such reasons that these people give while a F2P game with more then 30 mil units sold can't even keep 5000 players , and the game has EVE as well that should be promoting this game instead of trying to kill it like most who play EVE do .
I guess I'm just making this stuff up for the 2 or more years of this game's existence .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Posted - 2015.09.10 01:27:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Lol all but double hardened tankers run from solo minmatar commandos, and I kill proto tanks solo regularly, even Duna has had to bail and run to avoid being popped a few times. Bad example.
Yeah, if you're good AV and have the SP investments you can take down a tank solo, and a good chunk of tankers seem to be K/D padders at best because, you're right, damn near all of them run when they hit any actual opposition. But the thing is, it's going to be a lot harder to come up against said opposition when you know for certain the enemy team can't coordinate and none of them are squadded up to take you out together. A lone AV is generally not a threat unless they're very skilled or the tanker is very stupid, and if you can locate them quickly, you can kill them quickly and go back to business as usual. While a skilled tanker against a single skilled AV, the best the AV can do is keep them at bay, and the tanker has only to wait for the AV to run out of ammo or to approach from somewhere else, forcing the AV to move with them or lose them. Not a lot of people have the SP allocated to make use of AV weapons, and of those people even fewer are actually any good with them. With the exception of Swarms, AV weaponry all takes at least some skill to use. And even Swarms can't be used effectively against tanks unless you're close, thanks to so many maps being cluttered with hills and buildings.
Just because you're good with AV and don't have much trouble with tanks doesn't mean every single blueberry should be held up to the same standard. Squads should not be removed from pubs unless you're willing to remove HAV and Dropships from them, as well. The benefit solo pilots would get from squad removal is way too damn much. |
Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2015.09.10 01:38:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Void Echo wrote:When you have the top 10 corps q-syncing and going against 100% randoms. I understand that it was a factional bit why is there not a system to put q-syncing against q-?syncing? That would eliminate at least %50 of the rage quits and biomass daily. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPJm5mpX1kIAfter that, we ended up going against the exact same ae guys. Both times they went up to 20-2 while our team went at most 2-20. In public matches this should not be possible. This is the cause for at least 50% of all rage quits and biomass per day. Finally , someone else talking about a REAL ISSUE of the game that's ACTUALLY hurting it's growth and yes this is a issue and it's having and HAS HAD a negative effect in the games growth , I mean .. who want's to stick around and get the preverbal game stick shoved up their @$$e$ by a bunch of crappy players that can't perform without 4 others backing them all with PRO gear . I was watching some old vids yesterday and one came across about King Thunder Bolt and Heracles Porsche when Porsche was talking about how Thunder Bolt was trying to " out " him and while he was talking in his PRO Amarr Sentinel mauling random players in mostly basic gear for the most part , with some people in better gear sprinkled about ... I started to think like I always do in this case , " Why do these You Tubers always use PRO gear when making vids ? " , how does that promote the game when it's own You Tubers ( with the exception of DAAAA BEAST ) promote PRO stomping and they always drop Q's in their vids ? I know that most of you like HP and the rest but that just perplexes me when I see this vid after vid , how can anyone wonder why this game hasn't grown with it's own promoters just perpetuating one of it's main problems besides the poor performance of the game ? No one calls them out on this and most just pat these stat padding players on the back and say , " Job well done . " .. this forum is the poison that's ruining the game because most can't see anything besides what's right in front of them and wont acknowledge anything that's not on some spreadsheet . This doesn't seem like a problem to most because they would just answer with their flawed quotes like , " Welcome to New Eden . " and such but you know what , New Eden is barren because of Jack A's like these people promoting PRO stomping and the rest of the community that just sits in silence about this issue . How has that helped to create a desire to play Dust 514 and once it has , to keep said new players once they have tried it .?. and has any of them stated many of the flaws of the game in an effort to push CCP to actually clean up the game more then they have pushed their own agenda about what they " want " and " need " from CCP or some other dramatic episode ? Too much of the buddy system is killing this game from the You Tubers to the CPM , some talk about it and these same have their threads derailed by the trolls that are part of that same system or get their threads locked by CCP for claims of ranting but you know what .?. playing the same game for two plus years and the fact that other games come out ( like Defiance ) that run 100 times better then Dust has in it's existence while the community calls for a port of the game , like a port would solve the problems or like the game it's self isn't the problem , while new Dev's create games on the same PS3 with zero issues compared to Dust 514 , this community is so much part of the problem with their blindness towards addressing some of the REAL ISSUES that plague the game , it's all the more reason to rant if YOU actually care about the game . Instead of just leaving it in the mess that it's in without a single word spoken . It's good to see someone with a little weight FINALLY calling out some of the crap that's going on in-game , now lets see what good that will do while the majority of the community continues to walk around in their perpetual stooper about the REAL ISSUES . I don't have a problem with wearing anything because you have earned it but to keep destroying the game from the inside by dropping Q's in PRO against random players for the most part in MLT and lesser gear , is just not helping the growth of the game and if you people are just that competitive then why do you need help to stomp lesser players and why not just switch to lesser gear when playing lesser opponents .?. wouldn't that be much more of a challenge .?. but I forgot ... " My Friends .." and such reasons that these people give while a F2P game with more then 30 mil units sold can't even keep 5000 players and the game has EVE as well , that should be promoting this game instead of trying to kill it like most ( PC Master Race ) who play EVE do . I guess I'm just making this stuff up for the 2 or more years of this game's existence .
Where the **** were you at earlier?
Closed Beta Vet.
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Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
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InTheDark
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Posted - 2015.09.10 01:39:00 -
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fake AE can't do sh*t unless they use dat auto-aim and are in a squad
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