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deezy dabest
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Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:49:00 -
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I fail to see how 9 out of 16 is "nothing but Ancient Exiles"
I am not sure if you have heard but there are these things called 8 man squads which are pretty good for battling Q syncs. Also as far as I know there is nothing blocking you from Q syncing as well.
Why the hell are people in this game such freaking babies? I have never seen a more toxic community in my life.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:01:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:deezy dabest wrote:I fail to see how 9 out of 16 is "nothing but Ancient Exiles"
I am not sure if you have heard but there are these things called 8 man squads which are pretty good for battling Q syncs. Also as far as I know there is nothing blocking you from Q syncing as well.
Why the hell are people in this game such freaking babies? I have never seen a more toxic community in my life. Two different playstyles are at work. Add to that new players that also deserve to battle others at their level. One sided matches between tryhards and casuals, newbs and solo players are bad and hurt the game as a product. The adults are the ones realizing this. The babies are the ones that don't want to see the problems or fix them.
Faction warfare is the one game mode that actually works right. The only people that have a problem with Q syncs are the ones too lazy to even form up an 8 man squad. There is this funny little thing called public contracts which if you read the description is specifically made for small squads and solo players. Yes there is a problem with pub matches but that is not a reason to scream and cry to break the game mode that actually works. Oddly enough everyone seems absolutely intent on ignoring the real problem with public contracts and instead kick and scream to punish people for leaving battle.
Oh and have any of you tried syncing in pub contracts? 90% of the time you end up against each other.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:17:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare.
Period.
End.
Stop.
It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed.
Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic.
FW just puts in whoever is queued and gives priority to squads.
To those above who can not comprehend how this ends up working. That means if you make a squad and hit search you are going to get put against other squads. Randoms are just used as filler. It's not Scotty's fault that you can not make a squad so you either end up waiting for ever or end up bundled in with the other lazy asses.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:19:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:the matchmaker doesnt affect faction warfare.
Period.
End.
Stop.
It never has. What you are looking at is what happens in pubs if matchmaker is removed.
Because Faction warfare operates on the previous matchmaking logic. This is no excuse for not caring what happens to new players.
No one is forcing them to go into FW. There is a whole set of game modes which are even labeled as being for small squads and solo players. It has now even been updated to allow only the smallest squad size in the game.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:20:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:I do agree that full squads being placed against randoms is more than a bit BS, though. This is the exact point I'm trying to get across here.
deezy dabest wrote:
FW just puts in whoever is queued and gives priority to squads.
To those above who can not comprehend how this ends up working. That means if you make a squad and hit search you are going to get put against other squads. Randoms are just used as filler. It's not Scotty's fault that you can not make a squad so you either end up waiting for ever or end up bundled in with the other lazy asses.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:25:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Do you guys even read or listen?
This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles.
I swear the average iq here is less than 50.....
Did you even read your own post or watch your own video?
You go on about FW and post a video of FW and throw in one line about pub matches.
Like I said above which was obviously way above your head is that this very rarely happens in pubs because when you try to sync you get put against each other almost every time.
Just plain LOL @ using FW for evidence that pubs are broken and then calling people stupid for talking about FW. You must be averaging the IQ based on yourself.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:31:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team.
You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:40:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:And this is why the player base is so small, every time someone brings up the real reason behind a problem everyone jumps to defend it and try to discredit the poster. No wonder this game is nearly dead since all you people care about is your own stats.
If someone claims that noobs quit because they are put against proto stonpers, everyone rushes in to claim that noobs love getting raped in fights where they have little to no chance of even making an impact.
Matchmaking works great as I have said many times before. If you want to play savior and talk about problems why not try thinking about why people are so systemically leaving battles causing the lopsided bullshit. Protos are put against protos but tend to abandon the fight when they know they are actually going to have to risk something leaving behind only the low level filler against the team that was created to be against a proto team. You should go read a book or something you are only making yourself look bad. I have explained why people are leaving battles for weeks now... And your reasons routinely fail to hold up to scrutiny. Then do explain to me why people leave in droves when they see that they are put up against proto stompers or when they are red lined within the first minute, explain that to me
Zero incentive to fight proto versus proto. Generally speaking the loss of 2 proto suits guarantees you will go ISK negative for the battle even if you win. I have consistently proposed a keep what you kill system to award fighting against suits of an equal level and to seriously screw over proto stompers by giving them next to no money for killing a bunch of standard and bpo suits.
Stat padding. For some strange reason people seem to think that K/D is the ruler of this game. For this I have proposed a DNF leader board so that there is negative stat to offset their ability to brag on an arbitrarily inflated number.
No support from their team. See item 1.
See that is how you explain a problem with things that can be easily proven and even propose fixes to those solutions.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:52:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto
Logic must be seriously avoiding you.
If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward.
In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms.
Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:57:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent. You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers.
So just because you see some guys do it once means they do that in every match?
Holy crap I was kidding when I said logic is avoiding you but I think the truth is you bundled it up and threw it out the window.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:00:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent. You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers. So just because you see some guys do it once means they do that in every match? Holy crap I was kidding when I said logic is avoiding you but I think the truth is you bundled it up and threw it out the window. I specifically said I see it happen all the time.
Thank you sir. You have given this quote true meaning.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:08:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. Another example.
Someone get this man a bicycle helmet. He should not be in public unprotected. It would seem that he has already walked into many walls.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:16:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. Another example. Someone get this man a bicycle helmet. He should not be in public unprotected. It would seem that he has already walked into many walls. Examples of intolerance to other view points.
Yes intolerance is exactly why I laugh my ass off at you for claiming that 85% of the community hates you. I wish I was so well known by 10s of thousands of people around the world. It must be quite the honor.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:17:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Void Echo wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Void Echo wrote:
When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread
I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. If 85% of the community knew about you you'd probably have gotten a lot more votes for CPM. I was legitimately worried when I saw you nearly knocked out of running. I was seriously glad I took the time to vote after that. I have explained I only put my name is because there's a high chance dust will be on pc by the time the next election takes place. This is kind of awkward, but I wasn't directing that to you. I honestly didn't even know you were running. I knew my votes before I went in and I chose them.
Oh that made me laugh. That made me laugh a lot.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:31:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Void Echo wrote:The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time. You will never run into an 8 man squad in pubs. You will see them constantly in FW. Don't want to play against 8's and 16's don't play FW. Q-syncs happen in pubs. 8 people are q-syncs
I will give you a million ISK if you can post a video of you and 7 other people syncing on to the same team in a pub.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.10 00:53:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Void Echo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Void Echo wrote:The problem is this happens all the time in public matches, that's why people quit dust. An 8 person team of the same Corp in a public match is a q-sync. Only try hard Stat padders refuse to accept responsibility. The issue isn't about factional, it's about noobs and random going against this all the time. You will never run into an 8 man squad in pubs. You will see them constantly in FW. Don't want to play against 8's and 16's don't play FW. Q-syncs happen in pubs. 8 people are q-syncs I will give you a million ISK if you can post a video of you and 7 other people syncing on to the same team in a pub. I can do that easily. But keep your isk, I have pleanty
Video?
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