DUST Search - This is the real problem (trying to fix the video)

Void Echo wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

Void Echo wrote:

That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto

Logic must be seriously avoiding you.

If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward.

In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms.

Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent.

You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers.


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 132	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:03:00 - [1] - Quote This doesn't look like a q-sync to me. There's nine AE there. It's entirely possible it was an 8-man squad of AE, perfectly fine, and then one AE guy happened to be solo q-ing for FW and happened to be put with a team of his buddies. Alternatively, it's two squads of four and five, which is also fine. Even if it was a 'q-sync', it's literally just one extra person. Why take the time to ***** about this? You just look silly. In your outrage you even went to the effort of recording it. I do agree that full squads being placed against randoms is more than a bit BS, though.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 132	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:39:00 - [2] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Do you guys even read or listen? This whole time iv been saying that this is a major issue in public battles. In the video I even said that factional doesn't have this problem, this is the problem for public matches. I swear the average iq here is less than 50..... Basically what Breakin said. If you want to tell us that q-syncing is a problem in pubs then show us a pub match where this has happened. If it's so prevalent then show us as many q-syncing pub matches as you can and prove to us there's a problem. A single FW video where there's 9 AE and you can't even definitively prove that they're q-syncing -and why would they for only one extra person?- isn't nearly enough to back up your claim. Personally, I haven't seen q-syncs happen in pubs since pub squad sizes got reduced. Too much effort for too little reward. It used to be worth it back when squads sizes were a flat six, but trying to q-sync for eight people, only two more than previous squad size, rather than twelve, 3/4 of the scoreboard, just isn't worth it to most folks. And that's good. HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: But I think pubs should be squad free... Most people that start playing are doing it solo. A thousand times nope. Not unless you want to also pull HAV and Dropships from pubs. Vehicles weren't much of a threat back when squad sizes were six. You could split two, maybe even three people from the squad to go take it out. Now that they're four, it's a bit more difficult to coordinate a counter for them and it's either send the whole squad or don't at all. Two people can take out a single tank easily enough, but two people can't be expected to defend a point on their own. Completely removing squads from pubs would make tanks and dropships basically gods.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 132	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:57:00 - [3] - Quote Void Echo wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Void Echo wrote: That is easily not the reason, new players don't use proto Logic must be seriously avoiding you. If proto players are guaranteed to lose money thanks to getting paid pennies per MLT suit the risk of losing a pro suit far out weighs the reward. In a keep what you kill system pulling out a proto suit is just the same as putting a giant bounty on yourself. Newbies will be fighting over who can get the lucky kill shot in to make a boat load of cash. This also drives team work which is something difficult to find among randoms. Oh and I am not sure if you have checked out SP gain lately but a newbie can have a full proto suit in under 2 weeks with a bit of boosting. They don't run it and compete against proto because they can not afford to. With KWYK running proto versus proto will result in a profit as long as you display more skill than your opponent. You don't earn anything if you have less than 150 wp, I see new players ending fights with 0 all the time when we go against full proto stompers. deezy is talking about a new system, not the current system. Protostompers will be less inclined to go proto if they don't receive as large a reward for it and they are basically marking themselves as shiny targets for doing so. Likewise it would be great to kill a proto using a lower tier suit because you would get paid out the ass for it. Are you even reading anything anymore or are you just jumping to defending yourself right away?
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 132	Posted - 2015.09.09 23:00:00 - [4] - Quote Void Echo wrote: I specifically said I see it happen all the time. If you see it all the time then show us pictures of that. Not a video of a normal Factional match. Show us the pictures of q-syncing in pubs. If it's so frequent then play a few matches and show us your findings.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 132	Posted - 2015.09.09 23:05:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Void Echo wrote: When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. If 85% of the community knew about you you'd probably have gotten a lot more votes for CPM. I was legitimately worried when I saw you nearly knocked out of running. I was seriously glad I took the time to vote after that.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 133	Posted - 2015.09.09 23:15:00 - [6] - Quote Void Echo wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Void Echo wrote: When you are hated by 85% of the community you have little room to do anything else besides defend yourself. Here if you have your own opinion or view it is demonized because it goes against the elitist mebtality, example is this entire thread I doubt 85% of the community knows or cares about you. I'm fairly well known, but I still dont think 85% of the community know or care about ME. If 85% of the community knew about you you'd probably have gotten a lot more votes for CPM. I was legitimately worried when I saw you nearly knocked out of running. I was seriously glad I took the time to vote after that. I have explained I only put my name is because there's a high chance dust will be on pc by the time the next election takes place. This is kind of awkward, but I wasn't directing that to you. I honestly didn't even know you were running. I knew my votes before I went in and I chose them.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy No Context 133	Posted - 2015.09.10 01:27:00 - [7] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Lol all but double hardened tankers run from solo minmatar commandos, and I kill proto tanks solo regularly, even Duna has had to bail and run to avoid being popped a few times. Bad example. Yeah, if you're good AV and have the SP investments you can take down a tank solo, and a good chunk of tankers seem to be K/D padders at best because, you're right, damn near all of them run when they hit any actual opposition. But the thing is, it's going to be a lot harder to come up against said opposition when you know for certain the enemy team can't coordinate and none of them are squadded up to take you out together. A lone AV is generally not a threat unless they're very skilled or the tanker is very stupid, and if you can locate them quickly, you can kill them quickly and go back to business as usual. While a skilled tanker against a single skilled AV, the best the AV can do is keep them at bay, and the tanker has only to wait for the AV to run out of ammo or to approach from somewhere else, forcing the AV to move with them or lose them. Not a lot of people have the SP allocated to make use of AV weapons, and of those people even fewer are actually any good with them. With the exception of Swarms, AV weaponry all takes at least some skill to use. And even Swarms can't be used effectively against tanks unless you're close, thanks to so many maps being cluttered with hills and buildings. Just because you're good with AV and don't have much trouble with tanks doesn't mean every single blueberry should be held up to the same standard. Squads should not be removed from pubs unless you're willing to remove HAV and Dropships from them, as well. The benefit solo pilots would get from squad removal is way too damn much.