Resupply beams (similar to repair tool in use) to replace nanohives.

Please replace passive equipment that you just drop and leave (nanohives and uplinks) with items that need to be actively used.

Uplink beacons, allowing players to spawn on your own location to replace drop uplinks. Alternatively, require drop uplinks to be activated (similar to remote explosives) with a limited activation time and a cooldown period.

Resupply beams (similar to repair tool in use) to replace nanohives.

Oh, and get rid of the "circle to revive" for injectors, and require the injector to be your active module.

Effective support logistics should be hard.

Having a beacon as you call it, would paint a target on your head brighter then the original quafe bpos .

Ensuring no one EVER ran amarr logi.

They already changed deployable equipment to have bandwidth to limit how much stuff you can just "set and forget"

Then on top of that they decreased nanites and spawn counts while increasing the amount you can carry.

The effect? Passive equipment can and must be used actively. If you want to keep spawns up you have to keep dropping uplinks as you play instead of dropping 10 at the beginning of the match and switching to a sentinel to kill everything else.

Trust me, I was in full support of these changes and pushed heavily to make passive equipment more active.

Something I would like to see in the future is to have logistics suits get bonuses to their racial style of play (Caldari gets bonuses based on range, Minmatar gets bonuses based on speed, etc)...but that's a whole different topic.

Removing the placeable equipment is a bad idea because then players are forced to use direct support. What about Triage hives? Those are effectively an AoE heal, yet another playstyle that would be removed.

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However there is nothing against adding more stuff into the game. A mobile CRU for infantry that has to be charged, a deployable scanner, a nanite tool that shot bursts of ammo and/or healing... sort of like a mass driver.

I personally would love a splash heal, or splash ammo resupply, but I wouldn't want it to replace what we currently have.

Depends on how you set it up. It's not a terrible idea, especially if the amarr logistics rapid deploy was repurposed to this.

Depends on how you set it up. It's not a terrible idea, especially if the amarr logistics rapid deploy was repurposed to this.

Nothing like killing a guy to be killed by his teammate who was spawning on him as he was being killed.

Used to happen all the time in Space Marine; they had a perk called Teleport Homer that worked like a mobile Uplink, in that you teleported in on the equipped player's location so long as the player was alive. So you got the drop on someone, only to have two of their buddies deploy beside him and open fire. Was great for making runs on objectives and getting a capture team behind the enemy.

So, to summarise the responses...

1 valid - but fixable - criticism (you can't resupply yourself)
2 mindless ad-hominem attacks (ignored)
1 "it makes it more difficult" (that's the point)
2 "its not as bad as it used to be" (beside the point)
1 complete misunderstanding of the idea (ignored)
1 "its too powerful" (only if implemented badly)
+ several unrelated ideas

I realise that recent these modules are less passive than they used to be, but that is simply an attempt to improve a mechanic that should be replaced.

Self-resupply can be implemented pretty easily, and done in such a way that the logi has to make a choice between self and remote benefits, and between different benefit types.

Area-of-effect heal is not a playstyle, its just an element of the game. If it is that important to people then create AoE versions of the repair tool, but keep it as an active module.

I get the point about forcing players to use direct support, but in my mind that is a positive, not a negative. Passive modules allow me, as a support logi, to be effectively doing many things at one; I've got my repper on one player, I'm reviving another, while resupplying several more and helping even more respawn.

Believe me, I see the benefits to this, but I don't think those benefits are good for the game. I'd much rather be made to choose one at a time, and then be allowed to do that one thing more effectively.

It happens all the time in Battlefield now, kill one guy to have two more scoobies spawn on him during the fight and kill you. Exact same trash mechanic just with less lag.

Just because someone else has done something doesn't automatically mean you shouldn't.

A good mechanic is a good mechanic. A bad mechanic is a bad mechanic no matter how much you praise it's ingenuity.

The game has enough bizarrely complex code and quadruple-redundancy and not enough baseline core function.

Productive Logis don't just slap a beam on someone and follow them, they constantly establish, use, maintain and if need be relocate the support infrastructure their team is relying on to be able to Tactically approach the challenges the DUST battlefield creates and surpass them.

This is exactly the kind of thing I want to see. Maybe that's what we have in top tier battles with nanohives and drop uplinks, but it certainly isn't what I see happening.

I mainly see maps spammed with uplinks and hives in a few key areas at the start of the battle, and nothing elsewhere. And once those are gone, basically nothing at all, unless I've dropped it myself.

Which is why there's different modes with maybe not different "tiers" specifically but largely different mentalities on the part of the players in those modes. And this spread of mentalities is a product of and testament to the "Open Sandbox" aspect of the game's design basis. Point is, the tools are there. By your own statement of what you'd like to see, the tools are already there. Whether or not , when and where people choose to use them is a different topic entirely. That initial layout you see? Thats people who know how games can be directed at the beginning, that layout is their attempt at establishing that direction. Whether they do or don't maintain it is up to them, and obviously you. Now, if you don't want to spend the game working as a logi then don't. And if they don't either they won't. And you'll have the match you have. Or vice versa, and then you'll have the match you have then.
Logistics is work . Different from pewpew work, but still work. End of the day sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it isn't. Case in point-I omnilogi and have for almost a year, all 4 frames fully protoed, all upgrades complete. My number one suit for pubs? A dragonfly. Some matches, yeah I'll hit the field and floss some logi frames but the majority of them no, no way. Theres too much idiocy happening around me. But, its pubs so idrgaf. Even in FW same thing. I'm not going to hide in the redline and if I see a clearly beneficial opportunity to shift a battle logistically I'll use it but more often than not I'm just going to keep my match nice and simple, do my work for a win and move on.

I get what you are saying, and I don't want to needlessly nerf anyone's play-style. I just don't think "lazy logi" is a play-style we want to encourage, and passive modules (event after the rebalancing) do encourage it: drop your hives and uplinks and slap your reptool on a heavy, then wait for the WP to roll in.

Anyone who is an active logi, and is properly managing their hives and uplinks to support their team, I applaud you. I don't see many of you on the battlefield though, and I frequently find I'm the only person dropping uplinks after the first couple of minutes of a battle.

And this is before we include the ability of almost every other suit / play-style to drop passive equipment as well.

Also, I don't play PC, and so I don't know the passive equipment dynamics are different there; if they are, could someone explain how?

Bear in mind I'm the guy who when the CPM survey went out on improving logis one of my first points was to make the frames a Dropsuit Command level 5 unlock, to limit the riffraff. I'm a **** like that.

I'm not sure I'd support that, tbh. If someone wants to do proper, active logistics support in a basic suit on their first day in the game, I say "let them". I love the slot rebalancing for that very reason; I don't have to run proto to get 4 equipment slots any more.

Just don't give WP out for no effort.

Also, while I'm at it, I'd love to see "broadcast for ammo", "broadcast for reps" and "broadcast for drop beacon" implemented as well. "Broadcast for revive" was a godsend when it was introduced.

There's no way a day-one char is doing anything even remotely close to worthwhile logistics.