Premade squads in pubs is why stomps happened in the first place. Enter matchmaker... High mu solo players leave battle as soon as they see one or more squads on the other team leaving that team handicapped and to an almost certain loss. Matchmaking is made pointless.

Remove squads from pubs and matchmaker could build teams faster, remove leave battle option and k/d padding will be very difficult to do without the risk of using factional and being team killed while leaving an option for organization and squading meanwhile possibly increasing interest in factional.

Remove benefits and costs from PC so teams that wish to have an organized competition with their best players can while giving the option to not accept the fight, while removing the billions of isk generated (I know people with billions) and perpetuating officer gear stomps bought and paid for by a never ending river of isk.

Yet you put noting in the op about where he said to REMOVE SQUADS you only talked about leaving battle which as stated won't fix the problem that's only making it worse. Either squads need to be removed from pubs or we need a mode just for solo players and newbie's. Leave the squads to fw and pc.

I have a great idea to fix the leaving battle epidemic:

Rub cow poop on people's faces! Get it into their mouths and eyes! That'll fix everything. You can trust me; I'm a professional minotaur.

That's because they don't want that .

They want to keep doing what their doing , like it has no true effect when it's the true cause .

You speak about this constantly , I made a thread about it titled , " Why Matchmaking is failing ." ... we're saying the same thing you and I , it's what most ( I'm sure ) know already but care nothing about doing because they need their crutches as well as to ruin anyone else experience .

Most in the community really don't care about the health of the game , they want a blue or red tag as well as being highlighted on a podcast , they come up with idea's centered around add-on's and not solutions to issues and on top of that , when people talk about the REAL issues , they get ridiculed and insulted with no backing except negative , even if what your saying is true .

These people have agenda's and if you look at what's going on , it's the " good ole boys " club again , the same rotation of friends are elected , same people get attention from CCP , they love to come to each other's defense and pile on the likes for troll threads and post , all the while the game remains stagnant .

Like I said , I'm done caring and I believe that CCP doesn't even care .

All people want to talk about is ports and new content , all the while the game is getting worse .

But they will tell you it's not that bad .

I guess those amazing numbers of retention tells them that story , the growth of this game is so expansive , that the people can just ignore the obvious .

Yet you put noting in the op about where he said to REMOVE SQUADS you only talked about leaving battle which as stated won't fix the problem that's only making it worse. Either squads need to be removed from pubs or we need a mode just for solo players and newbie's. Leave the squads to fw and pc.

A simple solution of people leaving battles is a "Concord fine".

You use a leave battle option ? Ok... the concord fine you with 5% of the total of your is... so... newbies with less that 10Millions... will loose only a few isk.. but many people who leave the battle because only wanna get easy battles and got more isk.. well.. will be a direct hit to the pocket. (5% of 50-60M ...)

This solution doesn't remove squads just the main problem with it ( pubs stomping ) while making a mode where solo players/no headset owning people can play on somewhat even terms with the rest of the community.

Having to restart the game would discourage a lot of people from "cherry picking" rounds... The time involved in restarting every time would encourage many to at least fight it out or learn to adapt.

Those that chose to afk the round will reap minimal if not no reward and affect the round about as much as they usually do anyway

the leave match option isn't the only way to get out of battle, and quitting out of the game doesn't take that long anyway as well as a lot of players already quit out of the game to avoid some frame rate drops so this would probably be more convenient for them in reality while it would make players with genuine reasons to leave a match to be punished unjustly

players that choose to afk and don't get any wp should not receive any rewards to begin with that's one of the things that needs to happen

secondly squads in pubs aren't the problem the problem is the lack of players with the will to fight against their odds, many players simply quit or sit back in the redline with a sniper rifle instead of trying to flank around or give support to those that are trying but yes at times some players get in the way of those that know what they are doing, I would like to see some steps taken to help individuals carry their teams or at least guide them better without having to use scrubscans

players cherry picking matches is a big problem and leaving should not be as easy as simply choosing to leave match, but things like a kick option would be a good addition to remove people that AFK or trolls and team killers, there also needs to be a way to fill up the spots that people leave without forcing players that queue up for a match to get placed in one that's practically over as has happened in the past, my suggestion for this was to give the option under the other contracts tab to be able to join ongoing games on whichever side has less players whether that be the winning or losing side

I'm curious, why Rattati Wheaton? As in Will Wheaton aka "God damn it Wesley!"

My idea is easy to code, requires no new game mode ( which would diminish total available players for current modes ) and gives pubs a place for the average players.

4 highly skilled players in a squad playing a pub will almost guarantee a win. With 3 other players with over 100 mill sp I have won over 20 games straight in one afternoon. An organized team will always win over a group of skilled individuals... A q-sync in a pub is a guaranteed win. It's still happening and it will be the death of the game.

If you remove the leave button, your pretty much signing the ultimate death certificate of the game.

Exanple:

Johnny is a new player barely our of the academy, he joins a battle with no squad because he doesn't understand the game mechanics. But he's optimistic because he likes the theme of dust 514.

Johnny ends up on team A, moderately good players but nobody is anywhere near close to proto level except maybe 1 person, while the enemy team has 4 ancient exiles, 4 random guns, 4 Nyan san and 4 el eccinte Rio (I don't know if I spelt that right nut oh well).

Johnny's team is instantly red lined within the first 50 seconds. Nobody on his team is able to match their tactics, equipment level or communication efficiency. Every time someone spawns in they are instantly killed their only choices are to either stay in the MCC or instantly run further into the red line hoping they don't get shot in the process.

Normally in a game like cod, bf or any other game, you have the option to leave a game like that and look for another game that you actually have a chance at winning. So Johnny goes to the overhead screen hoping to find a different game but oh wait, the leave button has been removed from dust. Johnny wonders to himself why would a game like this force it's own players to hate itself. After seeing that within the first 2 minutes everyone on his team had died at least 10 times each and not a single person has a gotten a kill. Johnny waits out the battle hoping to find better ones aftewards. He encounters the same senario for 10 games in a row. Johnny instantly give up on dust altogether, biomass his character and Uninstalls dust.

Later that week at school a few of his friends ask about dust because they heard about it, he explains his experience and recommends they never try it. So they listen and don't bother even looking for it on the psn market.

This process happens about 50 times a day until there are absolutely no new characters being created thus, eliminating dust's growth and slowly every vet decides to leave the game because their tired of fighting against the same people over and over again. Thus dust 514 is finally dead. All because the leave battle button was removed.

This is what will also happen if you attempt to punish people for leaving battles.

No successful game forces it's noobs to be slaughtered constantly by veteran players.

Sorry to say I am with balistyc farshot on this thread.

Leave battle button should be removed, new players play against new players vets play against vets once that leave battle button gets removed devs can really dial in matchmaking, so it will be academy vs academy and vets vs vets.

Sure players that are so desperate to leave can quit the game but after a while they will realize it just easier to stay and play.

The game is already bad for new players putting them up against vet squads with no chance.

There should never be anyone leaving battles all that really says is teams are unfair and matchmaking needs to be skilled based once and for all.

I really hate seeing new players join and leave the game because they are not fighting against others in their same skill class.

It makes no sense at all.

Remove leave battle button, dial in matchmaker based on skill and all problems are gone.

It wont be as bad if people have to quit the game to leave a battle they simply will not do it near as often or will stop leaving entirely.

I cant see how a brand new player should have to fight against 100 million sp players such as myself.

It makes me feel bad when I kill a whole squad and I know they were academy, it makes me think holy cow is matchmaking ever unfair and needs to be skill based baddddly!

Lets say you started this game yesterday and played a battle against a squad of 4 with 100mil sp plus. You died 30 times because of the unfair skill base. I think you are more likely to quit the game after that brutal battle then you are to quit the game because there is no leave battle button.

Dont you guys n gals see we are losing so many new players not because players cant leave battles but because battles are not properly skill based.

Maybe if battles were skill based those new players would actually stay a while and build there sp and skill, but how it is now I see way to many new players quit there first day due to this.

If they were to separate noobs from vets then there would be no need to remove the leave battle button because it would no longer be such a common thing.

I been advocating for separation of the players for a while myself.

Yes correct even still players will still leave if they a dont like there team so removing the leave battle button is a must. If they dont want to remove the leave battle button the next best thing is make the leave battle button only appear around half way through the match forcing all players to stay at least half the battle before they can decide to leave.

Best thing they could ever do is introduce skill based battles. Another option would be if a player has a certain amount of SP they are not allowed to leave battles and if the player is new with only like 5 mil sp they are allowed to leave battles, making it so newbs can leave freely but vets got to stay and fight like a real merc.