DUST Search - How to fix leaving in Pubs! Ratati Wheaton, please answer

Balistyc Farshot wrote:

Void Echo wrote:

Regardless of the intention of the "fixes" you guys are attempting to pass off. All your really doing is proving that you really don't care how new players are treated as long as your fights aren't boring or as long as you get to kill something.

Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to justify forcing players to get raped for your own amusement. If you really did care, you would be trying to fix the very route cause of the problem. And the cause of new players leaving is because proto stomps constantly annihilate them and don't give a rats ass about if this game survives or not. Proto stompers are the reason for new players quitting dust. If your going to force someone into a situation where they can't ever win, they will simply give up and find something else. How the **** do none of you understand this?

Void Echo - You don't know me very well if you think I want to **** new players. I am trying to stop that by keeping the vets in battles with other vets. When you join a game and the half your team that is vets leave because as you stated, they are fighting "superior" players, the new players do not know who any of these corporations are and they stick it out in militia. Then they really get stomped in a 6 to 16. Keeping those vets in will force them to fight it out without defending their KDR.

I have trained more new players than anyone I know. I am constantly jumping into random squad finders and leading groups. Teaching squad lead commands Hell, I am driving my corp to PC by going back into FC which hurts my brain so badly!

You are a vet so step back and think about what is more likely occurring:
1. Vets see other vets and abandon (I have seen this and it pisses me off) (I lose so many fights to this)
2. Newbs see vets, get stomped, and realize the Leave button even exists then go start a new match (I didn't know about the button until I was queue syncing)

Everyone on this forum knows it is #1. Sorry, you are fighting for new players in the wrong direction, but I love the passion.
Removing the "Leave" button is a step in the direction of stopping vets from padding and isk farming pubs. Skill based match making only works if the vets are willing to fight each other. They would rather harvest games for isk.


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HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 774	Posted - 2015.09.01 15:54:00 - [1] - Quote This solution doesn't remove squads just the main problem with it ( pubs stomping ) while making a mode where solo players/no headset owning people can play on somewhat even terms with the rest of the community. Having to restart the game would discourage a lot of people from "cherry picking" rounds... The time involved in restarting every time would encourage many to at least fight it out or learn to adapt. Those that chose to afk the round will reap minimal if not no reward and affect the round about as much as they usually do anyway
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 775	Posted - 2015.09.01 18:36:00 - [2] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: This solution doesn't remove squads just the main problem with it ( pubs stomping ) while making a mode where solo players/no headset owning people can play on somewhat even terms with the rest of the community. Having to restart the game would discourage a lot of people from "cherry picking" rounds... The time involved in restarting every time would encourage many to at least fight it out or learn to adapt. Those that chose to afk the round will reap minimal if not no reward and affect the round about as much as they usually do anyway the leave match option isn't the only way to get out of battle, and quitting out of the game doesn't take that long anyway as well as a lot of players already quit out of the game to avoid some frame rate drops so this would probably be more convenient for them in reality while it would make players with genuine reasons to leave a match to be punished unjustly players that choose to afk and don't get any wp should not receive any rewards to begin with that's one of the things that needs to happen secondly squads in pubs aren't the problem the problem is the lack of players with the will to fight against their odds, many players simply quit or sit back in the redline with a sniper rifle instead of trying to flank around or give support to those that are trying but yes at times some players get in the way of those that know what they are doing, I would like to see some steps taken to help individuals carry their teams or at least guide them better without having to use scrubscans players cherry picking matches is a big problem and leaving should not be as easy as simply choosing to leave match, but things like a kick option would be a good addition to remove people that AFK or trolls and team killers, there also needs to be a way to fill up the spots that people leave without forcing players that queue up for a match to get placed in one that's practically over as has happened in the past, my suggestion for this was to give the option under the other contracts tab to be able to join ongoing games on whichever side has less players whether that be the winning or losing side My idea is easy to code, requires no new game mode ( which would diminish total available players for current modes ) and gives pubs a place for the average players. 4 highly skilled players in a squad playing a pub will almost guarantee a win. With 3 other players with over 100 mill sp I have won over 20 games straight in one afternoon. An organized team will always win over a group of skilled individuals... A q-sync in a pub is a guaranteed win. It's still happening and it will be the death of the game.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 775	Posted - 2015.09.01 20:47:00 - [3] - Quote Exactly... And if you really have to leave for say a pc you should restart anyway due to lag issues during pc if you don't ( from personal experience ) no real drawbacks. If you need a group to have fun then fw is for you anyway. It is a team based game but you are still on a team without a squad, remove squads and we're all on a somewhat even playing field, and the ability to just bail out because you don't like the map or you see someone who always kicks your butt will only force people to adapt and grow as a player. There is no drawback.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 780	Posted - 2015.09.02 17:43:00 - [4] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Void Echo wrote: Regardless of the intention of the "fixes" you guys are attempting to pass off. All your really doing is proving that you really don't care how new players are treated as long as your fights aren't boring or as long as you get to kill something. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to justify forcing players to get raped for your own amusement. If you really did care, you would be trying to fix the very route cause of the problem. And the cause of new players leaving is because proto stomps constantly annihilate them and don't give a rats ass about if this game survives or not. Proto stompers are the reason for new players quitting dust. If your going to force someone into a situation where they can't ever win, they will simply give up and find something else. How the ** do none of you understand this? Void Echo - You don't know me very well if you think I want to ** new players. I am trying to stop that by keeping the vets in battles with other vets. When you join a game and the half your team that is vets leave because as you stated, they are fighting "superior" players, the new players do not know who any of these corporations are and they stick it out in militia. Then they really get stomped in a 6 to 16. Keeping those vets in will force them to fight it out without defending their KDR. I have trained more new players than anyone I know. I am constantly jumping into random squad finders and leading groups. Teaching squad lead commands Hell, I am driving my corp to PC by going back into FC which hurts my brain so badly! You are a vet so step back and think about what is more likely occurring: 1. Vets see other vets and abandon (I have seen this and it pisses me off) (I lose so many fights to this) 2. Newbs see vets, get stomped, and realize the Leave button even exists then go start a new match (I didn't know about the button until I was queue syncing) Everyone on this forum knows it is #1. Sorry, you are fighting for new players in the wrong direction, but I love the passion. Removing the "Leave" button is a step in the direction of stopping vets from padding and isk farming pubs. Skill based match making only works if the vets are willing to fight each other. They would rather harvest games for isk. Remember my other idea... Remove fire team sized squads so pubs have no squads. No squads no stomp. Team chat is still there but no shared passive scans ( enormous advantage if your logi scans at 24 do out to 50m ), no 20% bump to wp towards orbitals. The advantages make pubs easy pickings.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 780	Posted - 2015.09.02 20:36:00 - [5] - Quote Personally It decreased search times for me... Might be easier for Scotty since my mu is high and I play solo.