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deadpool lifetone
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:15:00 -
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Recorded this just now through tablet .
where did everyone go!
I understand a few rage quits here & there , because of blueberries don't push or hold points or they keep shooting you in the back or jumping in front of every shot etc , but when everyone says "fruck it , I'm out" and leaves a entire team chasing one red dot far in the mountain tops . I'm like WTF , can't CCP just make a penalty system when a team has under 6 players to forfeit the match & give a minimum payout to those that fought & keep the matches moving ( instead of waiting 15min ) or a lock can't leave battle system after 1st 3minutes . penalty for butt hurt players that quit every other battle should be noticeable . reduce LP or something CCP . they only lost 5clones & all left asap .
( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? )
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:05:00 -
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100,000 isk clone and MCC usage charge. Refunded at the end of battle. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:09:00 -
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Why? If you hold the contract, you get paid. If you decide to leave, you don't get paid.
All the resources that you've used is already coming out of your pocket (fittings), as for MCC costs, the contractor pays for it, so that wouldn't be a fee.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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The KTM Duke
0uter.Heaven
586
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:17:00 -
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Penalty for switching server?
Selling voice bubbles 24/7
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JEDI LORD HOTH
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:18:00 -
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*throws ninja smoke bomb*
Why do so many corps act like kids at a Mac & Cheese buffet?
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Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens Imperium Eden
250
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:19:00 -
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Eh I can't say with how the game is right now the penalty would fly. It's bad enough trying to get into a match right now. Forcing people to stay in the match won't solve any problems, it would just make more people camp in the MCC or stay in the redline because they are forced to stay but gave up. Some times their perfectly valid reasons too. Join a match in progress, why should you stick around for the rest of the 5-10 min of the match when the enemy team is spawn camping the redzone? Just to feed the KDR of the other team?
It's also not uncommon to push the objective, fight a bit and die and find out just how few people your team has when you get to see the numbers on the deployment screen. Wasting your time in a 3 vs 12 or worse match is no fun. People who don't leave those extremely unbalanced matches usually just sit in the red line and snipe anyways. It's about all you can do against those odds other than die horribly.
Plus you have to consider the player base is already shrinking and matchmaking can take forever as it is if you pick anything but public Dom matches. FW can be a joke for certain factions at various times of day and your chances of getting into a Skirm, Aqu and Ambush battle are almost non existent at times. If you applied the most obvious penalty most games would have for leaving, aka unable to deploy to another battle for some timed penalty it would drive people away.
It's not people leaving battle that is causing the problem. It's the fact the player base is so small that not only are matches half empty most of the time with 10-12 people to a team instead of a full 16, but there is rarely any players available to fill in partial teams. Outside of the first minutes of a match rarely do you see any one join a battle in progress. Claiming that they should stick around and take up space is stupid. I would rather people leave than stay and not contribute in any meaningful way.
There is already a penalty for leaving battle btw if you think about it. First off you get no rewards at all. No isk, no SP and none of your kills, hacks, etc seem to count towards your daily missions if you don't complete the battle you were in. In most cases you also wasted a good chunk of your time already just trying to get into battle and deploy before you left, never mind the time you spend in battle before leaving.
Honestly we need the carrot not the stick here. Give people a reason to want to play the game, not try and force them to play it.
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
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Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens Imperium Eden
250
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:20:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:100,000 isk clone and MCC usage charge. Refunded at the end of battle.
That would just be another way to screw over newer players who most likely don't even have 100isk, and if you can't even afford to get into a battle you really have no way of ever earning more either.
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
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deadpool lifetone
D3ATH CARD RUST415
71
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:33:00 -
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The KTM Duke wrote:Penalty for switching server?
Nahhh , they all just left battle after getting killed of the back ( KD whores lol ) . happened twice in a roll earlier . go figure
( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? )
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:04:00 -
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Hitting it with a stick won't fix it. Might make things worse.
CPM Sgt Kirk - On Community
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shanghili
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
73
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:16:00 -
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Maybe increase the payouts for winning and losing too.
User of the banana cal logi apex
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deadpool lifetone
D3ATH CARD RUST415
71
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:19:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:100,000 isk clone and MCC usage charge. Refunded at the end of battle. That would just be another way to screw over newer players who most likely don't even have 100isk, and if you can't even afford to get into a battle you really have no way of ever earning more either.
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the match making is working correctly . the teams that left were known corps & players . was trying to take a picture of them leaving battle after the first few kills , but they pressed that "leave battle" button fast lol so idk what could be done . ain't trying to wait 15min for a Dom to finish when there aren't any enemies to shoot at . even Mario kart racing with R.E's on lav's is losing its flavor =ƒÿæ
( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? )
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deadpool lifetone
D3ATH CARD RUST415
71
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:22:00 -
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shanghili wrote:Maybe increase the payouts for winning and losing too.
Or how about ISK boosters .
( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? )
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emm kay
Direct Action Resources
386
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:28:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:100,000 isk clone and MCC usage charge. Refunded at the end of battle. wouldn't stop anyone. do 100,000 SP, however....
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
347
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:31:00 -
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deadpool lifetone wrote:Recorded this just now through tablet . where did everyone go!I understand a few rage quits here & there , because of blueberries don't push or hold points or they keep shooting you in the back or jumping in front of every shot etc , but when everyone says "fruck it , I'm out" and leaves a entire team chasing one red dot far in the mountain tops . I'm like WTF , can't CCP just make a penalty system when a team has under 6 players to forfeit the match & give a minimum payout to those that fought & keep the matches moving ( instead of waiting 15min ) or a lock can't leave battle system after 1st 3minutes . penalty for butt hurt players that quit every other battle should be noticeable . reduce LP or something CCP . they only lost 5clones & all left asap . happens several of times . Cowards are a recent problem. I mean we've all DCd before and I've been in a corp squad and left battle to pick up a corp mate but those incidents do not happen all that often. I've even been in battles where my team was winning and we had 3-5 leave battle causing the loss. That will have you asking why blueberries? |
TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
347
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:35:00 -
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Watched the video. Bummer. I'd rather be in battle but I guess you could have had a LAV race around the course? |
Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:39:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Why? If you hold the contract, you get paid. If you decide to leave, you don't get paid.
All the resources that you've used is already coming out of your pocket (fittings), as for MCC costs, the contractor pays for it, so that wouldn't be a fee. That's a good point.
Think of it this way though. The corporation shell out isk for the clones and MCC on the asumption that you will fulfil your contract and fight for them. If you don't fight they've wasted isk, even without paying you. You should have to pay to cover their loss. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
MeatBag Disposal Service LOGISTICS
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:47:00 -
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Why try to police the game ? I leave matches that are played on grounds that glitch , like the underground where all people do is camp the sides where you jump down onto , with MD's and scramblers , all the while jumping to the back area's laying links because if you don't have bio's you can't reach those places and again , if you don't have MD's you can't do anything about that , people have complained about that for awhile now , I get that ground I leave .
Some people just know the tricks of some maps and don't want to be bothered , it's silly to punish people for that and if you want to police the game then people will just stop playing , I mean .. why go threw the hassle when your already dealing with bugs and glitches that get no attention .
Some just leave like DustPlayer , because they can .. it's their choice , I might not like it but it's their loss in SP's and ISK , who's to say that they would contribute anyway so I think that's enough .. you can't motivate players that don't want to be .
People need to start thinking about others before themselves and see the bigger picture instead of trying to nerf and create restrictions , who's to say your idea's are right to begin with and when you don't think about others and what they might be going threw , you become self-centered and that's a bad attribute .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:50:00 -
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Penalizing players for quitting won't stop them hiding in the refline. But it might encourage more people to fight, since leaving is less appealing.
If your team is going to lose, get a cheap suit and try to inflict some pain on the other team. You will make a profit, and if you are lucky the enemy will make a loss. This means you still get a kind of victory, even if you lose the match.
We should get paid more if we are outnumbered too. There should be a pot of isk at the end, shared amongst your team. If you have less players then obviously you will get more isk. |
nelo kazuma
Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415
364
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:21:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:100,000 isk clone and MCC usage charge. Refunded at the end of battle. That would just be another way to screw over newer players who most likely don't even have 100isk, and if you can't even afford to get into a battle you really have no way of ever earning more either. New players dont have issue with money I call bs on that one when ur suits cost next to nothing
FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
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nelo kazuma
Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415
364
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:26:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Eh I can't say with how the game is right now the penalty would fly. It's bad enough trying to get into a match right now. Forcing people to stay in the match won't solve any problems, it would just make more people camp in the MCC or stay in the redline because they are forced to stay but gave up. Some times their perfectly valid reasons too. Join a match in progress, why should you stick around for the rest of the 5-10 min of the match when the enemy team is spawn camping the redzone? Just to feed the KDR of the other team?
It's also not uncommon to push the objective, fight a bit and die and find out just how few people your team has when you get to see the numbers on the deployment screen. Wasting your time in a 3 vs 12 or worse match is no fun. People who don't leave those extremely unbalanced matches usually just sit in the red line and snipe anyways. It's about all you can do against those odds other than die horribly.
Plus you have to consider the player base is already shrinking and matchmaking can take forever as it is if you pick anything but public Dom matches. FW can be a joke for certain factions at various times of day and your chances of getting into a Skirm, Aqu and Ambush battle are almost non existent at times. If you applied the most obvious penalty most games would have for leaving, aka unable to deploy to another battle for some timed penalty it would drive people away.
It's not people leaving battle that is causing the problem. It's the fact the player base is so small that not only are matches half empty most of the time with 10-12 people to a team instead of a full 16, but there is rarely any players available to fill in partial teams. Outside of the first minutes of a match rarely do you see any one join a battle in progress. Claiming that they should stick around and take up space is stupid. I would rather people leave than stay and not contribute in any meaningful way.
There is already a penalty for leaving battle btw if you think about it. First off you get no rewards at all. No isk, no SP and none of your kills, hacks, etc seem to count towards your daily missions if you don't complete the battle you were in. In most cases you also wasted a good chunk of your time already just trying to get into battle and deploy before you left, never mind the time you spend in battle before leaving.
Honestly we need the carrot not the stick here. Give people a reason to want to play the game, not try and force them to play it. You ever wonder how over half those matches end up like that people either see a challenge n leave or rage quit mid match which is how allot of people end up joining prematches. Deposit for match to reward those who actually stick it out is completely reasonable.
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deadpool lifetone
D3ATH CARD RUST415
72
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:07:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Why try to police the game ? I leave matches that are played on grounds that glitch , like the underground where all people do is camp the sides where you jump down onto , with MD's and scramblers , all the while jumping to the back area's laying links because if you don't have bio's you can't reach those places and again , if you don't have MD's you can't do anything about that , people have complained about that for awhile now , I get that ground I leave .
Some people just know the tricks of some maps and don't want to be bothered , it's silly to punish people for that and if you want to police the game then people will just stop playing , I mean .. why go threw the hassle when your already dealing with bugs and glitches that get no attention .
Some just leave like DustPlayer , because they can .. it's their choice , I might not like it but it's their loss in SP's and ISK , who's to say that they would contribute anyway so I think that's enough .. you can't motivate players that don't want to be .
People need to start thinking about others before themselves and see the bigger picture instead of trying to nerf and create restrictions , who's to say your idea's are right to begin with and when you don't think about others and what they might be going threw , you become self-centered and that's a bad attribute .
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If you want to wait 15min in a empty match & make your below avg isk payout . by all means wait the 15min's or! You can receive a minimum enemy forfeit payout & move to the next battle . or lock them in & force a fight out of them .
( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? )
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
348
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:11:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Why try to police the game ? I leave matches that are played on grounds that glitch , like the underground where all people do is camp the sides where you jump down onto , with MD's and scramblers , all the while jumping to the back area's laying links because if you don't have bio's you can't reach those places and again , if you don't have MD's you can't do anything about that , people have complained about that for awhile now , I get that ground I leave .
Some people just know the tricks of some maps and don't want to be bothered , it's silly to punish people for that and if you want to police the game then people will just stop playing , I mean .. why go threw the hassle when your already dealing with bugs and glitches that get no attention .
Some just leave like DustPlayer , because they can .. it's their choice , I might not like it but it's their loss in SP's and ISK , who's to say that they would contribute anyway so I think that's enough .. you can't motivate players that don't want to be .
People need to start thinking about others before themselves and see the bigger picture instead of trying to nerf and create restrictions , who's to say your idea's are right to begin with and when you don't think about others and what they might be going threw , you become self-centered and that's a bad attribute . Ah ha ha! I have seen that dust player leave my team and the enemy team in the same match. |
Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens Imperium Eden
250
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:30:00 -
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nelo kazuma wrote: You ever wonder how over half those matches end up like that people either see a challenge n leave or rage quit mid match which is how allot of people end up joining prematches. Deposit for match to reward those who actually stick it out is completely reasonable.
Paying to enter a match that doesn't pay much of anything to begin with isn't going to solve any problems. Say you stick around in those horrible match ups. The ones where half the time you spawn and die instantly inside the redline because 3-4 snipers on the enemy team, and maybe a proto rail tank are sitting waiting for you to appear. On some maps there is literally no where you can spawn that the enemy can't shoot at or get to via fast scout suits.
So you play the match, probably get next to no WP since you can't kill any one before you die. Even if you use cheap/free suits during all this by the end of the match your looking at a lame 3-4k SP (basic reward with no real WP to boost it) and maybe 100-150k isk, less if your WP is so low your last on the list. You might get a mere 50k if your team didn't even manage to kill more than a handful of clones.
For all that you spent 15 min+ of your time on just the battle, never mind searching and deployment times. Your asking people to waste their time just to pad the KDR happy people on the enemy team? It's not like the matches can really be turned around for the most part. Once your MCC loses shields your pretty screwed most of the time. Even if you do hack the objective most of the time you'll run out of clones before the enemy's MCC ticks away if they held it the entire match.
Which I feel is perhaps one of the biggest problems with Dust outside of maybe the Acquisition game mode. True turn around and close battles are too hard to come by. Once a team gets a definite advantage it takes a monumental effort to over come that advantage. Usually takes one really good team and another crappy team to do so. Which leads to a problem in that if you try really hard, all you do is drag the loss out and cost yourself more money for very little reward.
The only saving grace DUST has right now is the fact winning doesn't mean much in pub matches since WP gain is the center of everything in terms of isk and SP rewards. in factional warfare however drop outs are even more common since the rewards for losing a match are extremely pitiful.
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
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deadpool lifetone
D3ATH CARD RUST415
72
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Posted - 2015.08.27 02:02:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Why try to police the game ? I leave matches that are played on grounds that glitch , like the underground where all people do is camp the sides where you jump down onto , with MD's and scramblers , all the while jumping to the back area's laying links because if you don't have bio's you can't reach those places and again , if you don't have MD's you can't do anything about that , people have complained about that for awhile now , I get that ground I leave .
Some people just know the tricks of some maps and don't want to be bothered , it's silly to punish people for that and if you want to police the game then people will just stop playing , I mean .. why go threw the hassle when your already dealing with bugs and glitches that get no attention .
Some just leave like DustPlayer , because they can .. it's their choice , I might not like it but it's their loss in SP's and ISK , who's to say that they would contribute anyway so I think that's enough .. you can't motivate players that don't want to be .
People need to start thinking about others before themselves and see the bigger picture instead of trying to nerf and create restrictions , who's to say your idea's are right to begin with and when you don't think about others and what they might be going threw , you become self-centered and that's a bad attribute . Ah ha ha! I have seen that dust player leave my team and the enemy team in the same match. .
( "Shinobi MumyoSakanagare" - omg dust player left battle again , & again & again & again lol ) they really must suck . )
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Really bro ^^^^^^ "sigh" =ƒÿæ I'm Starting to see why CCP doesn't take some people serious on here .
( F U!!!! ) * ( Why Dead? )
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Union118
NON-Fatal Condemnation
706
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Posted - 2015.08.27 02:08:00 -
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deadpool lifetone wrote:Recorded this just now through tablet . where did everyone go!I understand a few rage quits here & there , because of blueberries don't push or hold points or they keep shooting you in the back or jumping in front of every shot etc , but when everyone says "fruck it , I'm out" and leaves a entire team chasing one red dot far in the mountain tops . I'm like WTF , can't CCP just make a penalty system when a team has under 6 players to forfeit the match & give a minimum payout to those that fought & keep the matches moving ( instead of waiting 15min ) or a lock can't leave battle system after 1st 3minutes . penalty for butt hurt players that quit every other battle should be noticeable . reduce LP or something CCP . they only lost 5clones & all left asap . happens several of times . I say GOOD. screw playing the try hards and officer stompers. Hope it teaches you a lesson. I hope no one plays you scrubs and make you leave dust or change your approach and fight with dignity for a change. Serves you right.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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deadpool lifetone
D3ATH CARD RUST415
72
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Posted - 2015.08.27 02:32:00 -
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Union118 wrote:deadpool lifetone wrote:Recorded this just now through tablet . where did everyone go!I understand a few rage quits here & there , because of blueberries don't push or hold points or they keep shooting you in the back or jumping in front of every shot etc , but when everyone says "fruck it , I'm out" and leaves a entire team chasing one red dot far in the mountain tops . I'm like WTF , can't CCP just make a penalty system when a team has under 6 players to forfeit the match & give a minimum payout to those that fought & keep the matches moving ( instead of waiting 15min ) or a lock can't leave battle system after 1st 3minutes . penalty for butt hurt players that quit every other battle should be noticeable . reduce LP or something CCP . they only lost 5clones & all left asap . happens several of times . I say GOOD. screw playing the try hards and officer stompers. Hope it teaches you a lesson. I hope no one plays you scrubs and make you leave dust or change your approach and fight with dignity for a change. Serves you right.
So , using Apexes is now considered a stomp . lol you cant be serious . proto stomps use to exist mainly running ambush back in the day ( 3 tanks on the field and ads hovering around by full qsync of teams ) that's a stomp . besides that , it wasn't like a bunch of noobs left / leaving battles , they were vet player's in this case. but hey , there has to be something CCP can do to make player's stay in battle & fight . something appealing has to be offered up . if you're in a FPS / Tactical game & afraid to die ( why play it at all )
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CallMeNoName
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2015.08.27 02:56:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Why? If you hold the contract, you get paid. If you decide to leave, you don't get paid.
All the resources that you've used is already coming out of your pocket (fittings), as for MCC costs, the contractor pays for it, so that wouldn't be a fee.
"Hey Joe, isn't that the clone that won't finish their signed contracts half the time?"
"Yeah, so?"
"Well, shouldn't we like stop hiring them and wasting resources?"
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
3
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Posted - 2015.08.27 03:16:00 -
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emm kay wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:100,000 isk clone and MCC usage charge. Refunded at the end of battle. wouldn't stop anyone. do 100,000 SP, however....
Have fun being the only one playing this game.
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Evolution I.W.C
Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.08.27 04:18:00 -
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You can not impose a penalty for leaving battle.
What you can do is make it actually profitable to both stay and participate. Logic seems to be something lost long ago on these forums so I have wasted my breath here.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.08.27 04:28:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:make it actually profitable to both stay and participate
CPM Sgt Kirk - On Community
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