Or you could git gud like me!

I learnd that you can fly with double hardened ADS (feeling) quite safety.
Yet even in such fit you have to fly away the moment swarms hit you.

I have 3 main problems with swarms
1. Their max distance is too much.
To fly 400m away everytime someone shots you is crazy.

2. Invisible swarms and not rendering players.
I have to fly as low as I can if I want SL guy to pop out. So before I can counter (kill) him, before I can see him and start shooting he can fire 1-2 volleys at me + my dropship is being thrown in every direcion.

3. Swarms are light and portable.
Why do they deal as much damage as AFG? Not only you can fit them on every suit, you have the ability to defend yourself at anytime. I understand that with FG you sacrifice quite a lot (movement, defense ability, eq). But with swarms you don't sacrifice anything, you deal as much damage if not more than with AFG, fire and forget > move on.

if he should learn from anyone it should be Darth Carbonite GIO, best ADS pilot I have encountered

Or you could git gud like me!

400m on and ads can easily be reached and surpassed if you know how to quickly pick up speed you can do this at any angle but i notice that one of the rookie mistake pilots make is that they try to turn in the way they want to escape rather then simply using their momentum to fly in that direction

invisible swarms and players that don't render can easily be countered by just listening they make quite a distinguishable sound and even if they dont render the launching of the swarms creates a flash that is noticeable even at range

swarms being light and portable, realize that a player has to dedicate one entire weapon slot just to fit it and it does about 200-300 less damge then an assault forge the difference being that swarms can be fired off slightly faster but after the first batch any consecutive vollys should be easily avoided while the FG can cause you to lose control and is harder to dodge in the hands of a skilled player however there are not many of those that dedicate their time to the FG like they used to

as a player that has had their fair share of encounters with both swarms and fg's I worry more about a fat suit using a fg then I do anyone using swarms

It's just me getting owned by an officer swarm launcher from the redline whilst I'm trying to play the point

There have been hundreds of threads like this for a year now, I'm just disappointed that in all that time there have been zero changes all because Judge pubstomped to a 40 kdr

I did watch the video and I noticed that you hardly took any countermeasure other then turning on your hardener, not to mention that you used an armor based drop ship which are naturally weaker to swarms as well as dealing with a minmando using officer swarms any officer weapon in its own right is OP as it is so its not a surprise that the outcome was as it was

however it did take multiple volleys to even take you out in the first place so I say that's pretty darn fair

3. Swarms are light and portable.
Why do they deal as much damage as AFG

An ADS with dual hardeners can rep through a double DMG modded FG - so if swarms are only this powerful where's the problem?

Bad pilots with crap fits (that's the problem)

I've had milita DS escape from my triple DMG modded minmando and proto swarms...

Really ,now the pleasure to fly with an ads is gone because i don't know what are you doing with the swarm laucher : it's too powerfull against an ads. I can understand for tank is ok and i'm not sure,only the pilots of tanks can say that, but the swarms are just too cheated against us. I'm full skilled on ads and i try all the fits to try to survive against the swarms.

A swarm with full skills on commando min can make like 45% of damage more...just make some maths and after try to test in the game even with 3 hardeners of shield!!!!!!!!!! You ll see there is a big problem!!!!!
The missiles of swarm can make the turn of the map or installation to hit you and now you can forgot to destroy madrugar with an ads.YOU loose a lot of good pilots with that ( Evo,Judge and more)

First you was nerfed the rof of missiles and rails and i can understand that ( a little bit) but if you don't like the python and the incubus why you don't just remove it from the game?

Just yesterday I shot 3 Wirikomi volleys at an Incubus and the pilot finally flew away. For it to survive that much punishment, the fitting was a beast. I will ask you though are there any aircraft that can take that much abuse?

Or you could git gud like me!

400m on and ads can easily be reached and surpassed if you know how to quickly pick up speed you can do this at any angle but i notice that one of the rookie mistake pilots make is that they try to turn in the way they want to escape rather then simply using their momentum to fly in that direction

invisible swarms and players that don't render can easily be countered by just listening they make quite a distinguishable sound and even if they dont render the launching of the swarms creates a flash that is noticeable even at range

swarms being light and portable, realize that a player has to dedicate one entire weapon slot just to fit it and it does about 200-300 less damge then an assault forge the difference being that swarms can be fired off slightly faster but after the first batch any consecutive vollys should be easily avoided while the FG can cause you to lose control and is harder to dodge in the hands of a skilled player however there are not many of those that dedicate their time to the FG like they used to

as a player that has had their fair share of encounters with both swarms and fg's I worry more about a fat suit using a fg then I do anyone using swarms

No, swarmers should not have it as easy as they do now. You know something is wrong when every match there's the one guy that has already pulled out a swarm because he knows he's gonna get some easy mode fun.

You have no idea what you talking about. Sure 400m can be reached on an ads. What's your point? 400m is ridiculous that in many cases is back in my own redline. It shouldn't be that easy to force an ADS out of the fight that quickly.

We are not allowed brawl with more than one guy. If there's more than one AVer than most dropships die the moment they start a brawl and they sure wont have time to get away.

I don't know how often you actually try to fight infantry but it's pretty darn frustrating. It's a far cry from battlefield where the pilot has rocket pods at their disposal and everything he shoots at dies real quick.

It just amazes me that I can tell the REAL pilots , their giving you advice and not complaining , the one's complaining are the one's who aren't any good to begin with .

I've noticed some names that I sent flaming in a ball of wreckage .

Not to say that everyone who complains about something is wrong for doing it but in this case , some are just lazy and like they call swarms " easy mode " , that's just what they want when they already have a massive advantage .

Swarms are easy ? Don't tell me you know about it now that I said that , try swarming for a month straight and nothing else , if you roll with a squad , tell no one to help you , you do it alone and see how far you get and if you don't experience some bugs in the process .

If their infantry , maybe they were using swarms for LAV's and HAV's .?. , I mean .. who goes into a game with the intent of using swarms .?. even if you play commando , that's one less gun when you have plenty targeting you during the game from infantry and scouts just looking to kill you while your unaware .

If your not playing a commando then your relying on your sidearm during that time , how helpful and easy is that ?

DS's are no threat for the most part and most of the matches I play where the enemy uses vehicles , people still run around looking dumbfounded doing nothing , not even switching at the storage depot , one of the reason's I specialized in AV .

Somebody has to do it .

Just swarm for a month and tell me later how easy it was .