I think we could have something similar to how the charge sniper works. Perhaps under a certain threshold (say 20%) the scrambler does base damage, and we shorten the charge damage multiplier from 0%-100% to 20%-100% meaning you still get relatively the same amount of damage from a charge shot from 59%-100% charge without getting the microcharge values under 20%.

Aeon, if you manage to do more testing, please would you test scrambler rifle dps by firing at a close target by spamming the trigger (realistically) and then using the damage done and time taken to calculate actual dps? Please also do this with an assault variant rifle (preferably CR, RR or AR) and a TacAR for comparison.

If you were able to fit this into your tests it would be awesome.

I don't know if you have an unusually fast or slow trigger finger, but it would be really interesting to see actual in game dps for semi auto weapons.

I suspect the scrambler rifles will do the most dps.

I feel that if the scrambler rifle were truly OP, more people would use it. I know this thread isn't calling for a nerf. I just think it would be a shame if the gun did get nerfed without the whole picture being taken into account. Rattati has the spawn efficiency numbers, which would probably be the most telling. If it does need a nerf, these investigations will help determine what to do. I suspect toning down damage or rate of fire threshold would be better balances, rather than messing with charge mechanics.

I disagree with needing this fix. What you are talking about here is a mess on a weapon that is already difficult for newbies.

The damage multiplier at full charge is 3.5

The full charge time is 2 seconds. For simplicity we will say 2000 milliseconds hold for a full charge.

3.5 / 2000 = .00175% increase per millisecond.

The DS3 has a refresh rate of 10 milliseconds. This makes the maximum variable .0175% based on your hold time versus refresh.

It takes roughly 40 ms of hold time for the press to register and begin charging.


So what we end up with is:

50 ms hold = .0175% base charge up from a very fast trigger tap.

70 ms hold = .0525% base charge up on a slightly slower trigger tap.


At 71.5 base hp damage you end up with:

71.5 * 1.0175 = 72.75125 (*1.2 = 87.3015) (*.8 = 58.201)

71.5 * 1.0525 = 75.25375 (*1.2 = 90.3045) (*.8 = 60.203)

The 2 to 3 extra HP that comes out of this is hardly worth an insanely over complicated band aid to feel like something has been accomplished. In reality it is the profile multipliers which spreads this gap to a point of even being notable.


You should also remember that this increase in cycle time lowers the RoF effectively turning these into a near dead lock on the DPS.

YES, the Scrambler Rifle does more damage than it shows on paper. [/b][/i]

That's all we needed.


Alright boys, take her away.


Once again good job Arkena.

It's the mmo crowd combined with the competitive gaming crowd. You haven't seen number crunching until you've been to a live game tourney.

@Deezy Debest
A fairly large variance appeared when I used my device on the PS3 again, can't wait for your test data to be recorded...to see if this is just a problem on my end or something common). The Data recorded is also on the spreadsheet Aeon Posted, it seems to suggest that damage scales linearly with the charge, but more data is necessary to test this.

Edit:

It's also worth it to note that it appears to generate additional heat based on past data; however, more data needs to be gathered on the subject

Also...yes there is massive variance when I use the turbo functions, and I'm not sure what causes it, but I test the scripts on the PC to ensure that they are outputting correctly...the ScR is the only weapon where measured data has any noticeable variance at all.

OK...

1) you are assuming a linear build in damage. Maybe it's not... Would be interested in seeing this investigated.

2) evidence from this thread has showed damage upwards of + 10 (or whatever it was) not simply +2.

Just saying.

@Deezy Debest
A fairly large variance appeared when I used my device on the PS3 again, can't wait for your test data to be recorded...to see if this is just a problem on my end or something common). The Data recorded is also on the spreadsheet Aeon Posted, it seems to suggest that damage scales linearly with the charge, but more data is necessary to test this.

Edit:

It's also worth it to note that it appears to generate additional heat based on past data; however, more data needs to be gathered on the subject

Also...yes there is massive variance when I use the turbo functions, and I'm not sure what causes it, but I test the scripts on the PC to ensure that they are outputting correctly...the ScR is the only weapon where measured data has any noticeable variance at all.

If you are going to be online soon let me know. I would love to go ahead and record test data from both views and discuss some things.

I do see a bit of room for variance in your hardware but can not say for sure without a little more information.