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Jadek Menaheim wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits.

Don't take it personally.

I don't take it personally at all I just think it makes CCP look like a joke.

First of all if you read the referenced section of the EULA it was not broken in any way by any one.

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You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

No one used any of the listed items or did anything other than take part in a function of the game which they set forth by CCP. I would argue that a claim button which was put in place by CCP and accessible to everyone in the game could also be perceived as normal game play by any player.

There are no legal bases to cover as no one spent or lost any money and CCP simply reversed a bug which they caused.

This was just a case of someone being butt hurt over having to clean up a mess and venting it on the player base. That is a new low.

"Someone being butt hurt...and venting it on the player base."

Please don't assume things or attitudes of people. It makes you look like a jerk. Think about the situation logically, people claimed an item that people have always payed money for in the past. The sudden influx of these items for free arguably devalues the purchase paying players made. There has never been a precedent of CCP giving items away like this in-game. Claiming of "Free Apex" suits were not talked about in the patch notes. And bugs do occur on patch day--I always recommend to people to be extra careful on what you trade on patch day.

CCP had the ability to see who pushed the redeem button and they could follow those item transfers. Yes, there was collateral damage of removing those suits, but they needed to be taken back. There are no free lunches here.

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Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 11:31:00 - [1] - Quote ...again Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout/Assault GK.0
The KTM DuKe 0uter.Heaven 490	Posted - 2015.07.28 11:40:00 - [2] - Quote It s working....nothing better than qq on the forum? Send your hatemails after the "bip". When i joined 0.H i started use lagswitch, turbopad and more to come, LoooL
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 142	Posted - 2015.07.28 11:51:00 - [3] - Quote meh, was free, got a couple of hundred spawns out of it, thanks for the loan CCP! General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 482	Posted - 2015.07.28 11:56:00 - [4] - Quote Easy come, easy go :p -- Ecce Initio -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
CrotchGrab 360 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:16:00 - [5] - Quote I barely used it. Was under the impression it would stay. Used it on one account about 10 times and realised I don't want it, even when it's free, let alone paying for the damned thing.
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. 281	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:17:00 - [6] - Quote I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP.
Anaheim Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 970	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:25:00 - [7] - Quote Are the genuine ones tradeable now? Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
I-Shayz-I I----------I 6	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:29:00 - [8] - Quote They also fixed the officer dropsuits ^.^ 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! -- Vote for Cross!
Anaheim Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 970	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:29:00 - [9] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:30:00 - [10] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: I barely used it. Was under the impression it would stay. Used it on one account about 10 times and realised I don't want it, even when it's free, let alone paying for the damned thing. Same. It was like- claim and use. Meh I don't like it deletes fitting CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout/Assault GK.0

golpe 4 Eternal Beings Smart Deploy 47	Posted - 2015.07.28 14:47:00 - [11] - Quote I'm still gonna wear it im just a scrub here, to u know, do things helpful like ummm commenting,complaining,and giving terrible advice thats it
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. 283	Posted - 2015.07.28 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly...
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 15:59:00 - [13] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... Wow accusing players of violating EULA when it was a claim button that they put in the game and seemed to be working just like the rest of the claim buttons. This is just a **** move CCP, way to try to pass the buck to the players when you are the screw up. Now being unpaid bug testers comes with getting accused of being a cheater. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.28 16:05:00 - [14] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did you expect? People tried to mug them off. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 16:50:00 - [15] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. Yeah it sounded like we were guilty. CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout/Assault GK.0
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 16:54:00 - [16] - Quote Lame. People found this review helpful!
netofreck leon Sangre por Sangre 556	Posted - 2015.07.28 17:45:00 - [17] - Quote And if I buy that suit? What will happen to my isk? To trash, right? This bothers me. ¿Si el jugador va por la banda.. El portero va por los mariachis?
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 17:50:00 - [18] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... Wow accusing players of violating EULA when it was a claim button that they put in the game and seemed to be working just like the rest of the claim buttons. This is just a **** move CCP, way to try to pass the buck to the players when you are the screw up. Now being unpaid bug testers comes with getting accused of being a cheater. That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits. Don't take it personally. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 17:59:00 - [19] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. Yeah it sounded like we were guilty. And some people were. 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
SHADOW DOOFUS The Naughty Ninjas 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:37:00 - [20] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... It's not my fault CCP can't code for **. I want the 10mil I spent player trading back. Blaming us for their ups? ** move bros There are some who call me "I need reps"

deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:40:00 - [21] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits. Don't take it personally. I don't take it personally at all I just think it makes CCP look like a joke. First of all if you read the referenced section of the EULA it was not broken in any way by any one. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items or did anything other than take part in a function of the game which they set forth by CCP. I would argue that a claim button which was put in place by CCP and accessible to everyone in the game could also be perceived as normal game play by any player. There are no legal bases to cover as no one spent or lost any money and CCP simply reversed a bug which they caused. This was just a case of someone being butt hurt over having to clean up a mess and venting it on the player base. That is a new low. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:42:00 - [22] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... Look at it this way. Some Player. Out There. Willfully went out of their way to exploit this system. And you're paying for it. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:44:00 - [23] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items... No one can be absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one used these tools. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 121	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:50:00 - [24] - Quote The way I see it, CCP should just have apologized for the inconvenience and removed the suit. Instead of making accusations and threats of having violated the EULA. This suit was made available through an in game progression by CCP, if anything ... instead of violations having been committed it would better be described as a solid case of ENTRAPMENT.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 134	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:05:00 - [25] - Quote Honestly the only thing I think CCP really cares about of this whole ordeal is the fact so many people got the suit for free and found out they hated it. They probably lost a lot of potential revenue of people dumb enough to want to buy the suit for Arum or grinding away factional battles (possibly with boosters). It's like giving a test drive on a lemon and finding out the car leaks gas and explodes randomly.
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:08:00 - [26] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits. Don't take it personally. I don't take it personally at all I just think it makes CCP look like a joke. First of all if you read the referenced section of the EULA it was not broken in any way by any one. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items or did anything other than take part in a function of the game which they set forth by CCP. I would argue that a claim button which was put in place by CCP and accessible to everyone in the game could also be perceived as normal game play by any player. There are no legal bases to cover as no one spent or lost any money and CCP simply reversed a bug which they caused. This was just a case of someone being butt hurt over having to clean up a mess and venting it on the player base. That is a new low. "Someone being butt hurt...and venting it on the player base." Please don't assume things or attitudes of people. It makes you look like a jerk. Think about the situation logically, people claimed an item that people have always payed money for in the past. The sudden influx of these items for free arguably devalues the purchase paying players made. There has never been a precedent of CCP giving items away like this in-game. Claiming of "Free Apex" suits were not talked about in the patch notes. And bugs do occur on patch day--I always recommend to people to be extra careful on what you trade on patch day. CCP had the ability to see who pushed the redeem button and they could follow those item transfers. Yes, there was collateral damage of removing those suits, but they needed to be taken back. There are no free lunches here. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:09:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items... No one can be absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one used these tools. There was no need to use them to claim the items and they were only claimable once per account. What this means is even if someone did use them it did not give anything at an accelerated rate and therefore still did not violate this section. If people were using multiple accounts then that is something different completely and should be addressed on those extra accounts not in a rage mail sent out to the entire population. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:15:00 - [28] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: The way I see it, CCP should just have apologized for the inconvenience and removed the suit. Instead of making accusations and threats of having violated the EULA. This suit was made available through an in game progression by CCP, if anything ... instead of violations having been committed it would better be described as a solid case of ENTRAPMENT. Don't take it as a personal accusation. It's a blanket statement, one that is much more cost/time effective to make rather than sending out personalized emails. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. Fact is, macros and bots scripts exist for the PS3 and PC emulators. There is no ways to say 'beyond a shadow of doubt' as Maken put it that players wrote macros to quickly take advantage of the APEX redeem glitch. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:16:00 - [29] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits. Don't take it personally. I don't take it personally at all I just think it makes CCP look like a joke. First of all if you read the referenced section of the EULA it was not broken in any way by any one. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items or did anything other than take part in a function of the game which they set forth by CCP. I would argue that a claim button which was put in place by CCP and accessible to everyone in the game could also be perceived as normal game play by any player. There are no legal bases to cover as no one spent or lost any money and CCP simply reversed a bug which they caused. This was just a case of someone being butt hurt over having to clean up a mess and venting it on the player base. That is a new low. "Someone being butt hurt...and venting it on the player base." Please don't assume things or attitudes of people. It makes you look like a jerk. Think about the situation logically, people claimed an item that people have always payed money for in the past. The sudden influx of these items for free arguably devalues the purchase paying players made. There has never been a precedent of CCP giving items away like this in-game. Claiming of "Free Apex" suits were not talked about in the patch notes. And bugs do occur on patch day--I always recommend to people to be extra careful on what you trade on patch day. CCP had the ability to see who pushed the redeem button and they could follow those item transfers. Yes, there was collateral damage of removing those suits, but they needed to be taken back. There are no free lunches here. I have no problem with them being taken back and I intentionally stayed away from selling these to people. Actually your mention of collateral damage explains exactly what happened here. I have not spoken to anyone in game about it but I am assuming CCP did not bother reversing trades that were done for these so people are in fact out real money. This is even more of an issue as now CCP is referencing a point in the EULA that does not even apply to cover for the fact that they could not even clean up their mess in its entirety. Here is what the message really reads: "Sorry you traded boosters and isk and paid suits for suits that we took away but you are screwed. We have deleted these suits to ensure people will give us as much money as possible but will not clean up totally behind ourselves." Anyone that lost real items on this is 100% entitled to call Sony and get a refund as there was no violation of the EULA and CCP has now revoked the by product of the money that was spent. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
MrShooter01 Ustio Mercenary Squadron 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:25:00 - [30] - Quote Email made me feel like a bad person I'm sorry, CCP, I promise I won't casually check out or use an incomplete new feature added to the game or play on patch day, and definitely not press any buttons in it How to mass mail like a pro: Quote: Dear players: After the progression chart was deployed, we became aware of a bug where it was possible to claim 5 copies of the APEX 'Serpent' Scout dropsuit for free. This was not intended, and unfortunately these claimed APEX suits must be removed from the game. If you have a legitimately purchased APEX 'Serpent' Scout, it will not be affected. According to our logs, your account has one or more of the illegitimate APEX suits and they have been removed from your inventory. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this bug.



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