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Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 11:31:00 - [1] - Quote ...again Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout/Assault GK.0
The KTM DuKe 0uter.Heaven 490	Posted - 2015.07.28 11:40:00 - [2] - Quote It s working....nothing better than qq on the forum? Send your hatemails after the "bip". When i joined 0.H i started use lagswitch, turbopad and more to come, LoooL
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 142	Posted - 2015.07.28 11:51:00 - [3] - Quote meh, was free, got a couple of hundred spawns out of it, thanks for the loan CCP! General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 482	Posted - 2015.07.28 11:56:00 - [4] - Quote Easy come, easy go :p -- Ecce Initio -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
CrotchGrab 360 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:16:00 - [5] - Quote I barely used it. Was under the impression it would stay. Used it on one account about 10 times and realised I don't want it, even when it's free, let alone paying for the damned thing.
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. 281	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:17:00 - [6] - Quote I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP.
Anaheim Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 970	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:25:00 - [7] - Quote Are the genuine ones tradeable now? Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
I-Shayz-I I----------I 6	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:29:00 - [8] - Quote They also fixed the officer dropsuits ^.^ 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! -- Vote for Cross!
Anaheim Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 970	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:29:00 - [9] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:30:00 - [10] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: I barely used it. Was under the impression it would stay. Used it on one account about 10 times and realised I don't want it, even when it's free, let alone paying for the damned thing. Same. It was like- claim and use. Meh I don't like it deletes fitting CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout/Assault GK.0

golpe 4 Eternal Beings Smart Deploy 47	Posted - 2015.07.28 14:47:00 - [11] - Quote I'm still gonna wear it im just a scrub here, to u know, do things helpful like ummm commenting,complaining,and giving terrible advice thats it
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. 283	Posted - 2015.07.28 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly...
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 15:59:00 - [13] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... Wow accusing players of violating EULA when it was a claim button that they put in the game and seemed to be working just like the rest of the claim buttons. This is just a **** move CCP, way to try to pass the buck to the players when you are the screw up. Now being unpaid bug testers comes with getting accused of being a cheater. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.28 16:05:00 - [14] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did you expect? People tried to mug them off. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 16:50:00 - [15] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. Yeah it sounded like we were guilty. CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout/Assault GK.0
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 16:54:00 - [16] - Quote Lame. People found this review helpful!
netofreck leon Sangre por Sangre 556	Posted - 2015.07.28 17:45:00 - [17] - Quote And if I buy that suit? What will happen to my isk? To trash, right? This bothers me. ¿Si el jugador va por la banda.. El portero va por los mariachis?
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 17:50:00 - [18] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... Wow accusing players of violating EULA when it was a claim button that they put in the game and seemed to be working just like the rest of the claim buttons. This is just a **** move CCP, way to try to pass the buck to the players when you are the screw up. Now being unpaid bug testers comes with getting accused of being a cheater. That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits. Don't take it personally. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 17:59:00 - [19] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. Yeah it sounded like we were guilty. And some people were. 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
SHADOW DOOFUS The Naughty Ninjas 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:37:00 - [20] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... It's not my fault CCP can't code for **. I want the 10mil I spent player trading back. Blaming us for their ups? ** move bros There are some who call me "I need reps"

deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:40:00 - [21] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits. Don't take it personally. I don't take it personally at all I just think it makes CCP look like a joke. First of all if you read the referenced section of the EULA it was not broken in any way by any one. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items or did anything other than take part in a function of the game which they set forth by CCP. I would argue that a claim button which was put in place by CCP and accessible to everyone in the game could also be perceived as normal game play by any player. There are no legal bases to cover as no one spent or lost any money and CCP simply reversed a bug which they caused. This was just a case of someone being butt hurt over having to clean up a mess and venting it on the player base. That is a new low. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:42:00 - [22] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... Look at it this way. Some Player. Out There. Willfully went out of their way to exploit this system. And you're paying for it. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:44:00 - [23] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items... No one can be absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one used these tools. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 121	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:50:00 - [24] - Quote The way I see it, CCP should just have apologized for the inconvenience and removed the suit. Instead of making accusations and threats of having violated the EULA. This suit was made available through an in game progression by CCP, if anything ... instead of violations having been committed it would better be described as a solid case of ENTRAPMENT.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 134	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:05:00 - [25] - Quote Honestly the only thing I think CCP really cares about of this whole ordeal is the fact so many people got the suit for free and found out they hated it. They probably lost a lot of potential revenue of people dumb enough to want to buy the suit for Arum or grinding away factional battles (possibly with boosters). It's like giving a test drive on a lemon and finding out the car leaks gas and explodes randomly.
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:08:00 - [26] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits. Don't take it personally. I don't take it personally at all I just think it makes CCP look like a joke. First of all if you read the referenced section of the EULA it was not broken in any way by any one. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items or did anything other than take part in a function of the game which they set forth by CCP. I would argue that a claim button which was put in place by CCP and accessible to everyone in the game could also be perceived as normal game play by any player. There are no legal bases to cover as no one spent or lost any money and CCP simply reversed a bug which they caused. This was just a case of someone being butt hurt over having to clean up a mess and venting it on the player base. That is a new low. "Someone being butt hurt...and venting it on the player base." Please don't assume things or attitudes of people. It makes you look like a jerk. Think about the situation logically, people claimed an item that people have always payed money for in the past. The sudden influx of these items for free arguably devalues the purchase paying players made. There has never been a precedent of CCP giving items away like this in-game. Claiming of "Free Apex" suits were not talked about in the patch notes. And bugs do occur on patch day--I always recommend to people to be extra careful on what you trade on patch day. CCP had the ability to see who pushed the redeem button and they could follow those item transfers. Yes, there was collateral damage of removing those suits, but they needed to be taken back. There are no free lunches here. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:09:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items... No one can be absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one used these tools. There was no need to use them to claim the items and they were only claimable once per account. What this means is even if someone did use them it did not give anything at an accelerated rate and therefore still did not violate this section. If people were using multiple accounts then that is something different completely and should be addressed on those extra accounts not in a rage mail sent out to the entire population. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:15:00 - [28] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: The way I see it, CCP should just have apologized for the inconvenience and removed the suit. Instead of making accusations and threats of having violated the EULA. This suit was made available through an in game progression by CCP, if anything ... instead of violations having been committed it would better be described as a solid case of ENTRAPMENT. Don't take it as a personal accusation. It's a blanket statement, one that is much more cost/time effective to make rather than sending out personalized emails. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. Fact is, macros and bots scripts exist for the PS3 and PC emulators. There is no ways to say 'beyond a shadow of doubt' as Maken put it that players wrote macros to quickly take advantage of the APEX redeem glitch. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:16:00 - [29] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: That's standard protocol from the legal department to cover all the bases. This is a bulk mail and it's possible someone may have quickly set up a macro to attempt to redeem more suits. Don't take it personally. I don't take it personally at all I just think it makes CCP look like a joke. First of all if you read the referenced section of the EULA it was not broken in any way by any one. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items or did anything other than take part in a function of the game which they set forth by CCP. I would argue that a claim button which was put in place by CCP and accessible to everyone in the game could also be perceived as normal game play by any player. There are no legal bases to cover as no one spent or lost any money and CCP simply reversed a bug which they caused. This was just a case of someone being butt hurt over having to clean up a mess and venting it on the player base. That is a new low. "Someone being butt hurt...and venting it on the player base." Please don't assume things or attitudes of people. It makes you look like a jerk. Think about the situation logically, people claimed an item that people have always payed money for in the past. The sudden influx of these items for free arguably devalues the purchase paying players made. There has never been a precedent of CCP giving items away like this in-game. Claiming of "Free Apex" suits were not talked about in the patch notes. And bugs do occur on patch day--I always recommend to people to be extra careful on what you trade on patch day. CCP had the ability to see who pushed the redeem button and they could follow those item transfers. Yes, there was collateral damage of removing those suits, but they needed to be taken back. There are no free lunches here. I have no problem with them being taken back and I intentionally stayed away from selling these to people. Actually your mention of collateral damage explains exactly what happened here. I have not spoken to anyone in game about it but I am assuming CCP did not bother reversing trades that were done for these so people are in fact out real money. This is even more of an issue as now CCP is referencing a point in the EULA that does not even apply to cover for the fact that they could not even clean up their mess in its entirety. Here is what the message really reads: "Sorry you traded boosters and isk and paid suits for suits that we took away but you are screwed. We have deleted these suits to ensure people will give us as much money as possible but will not clean up totally behind ourselves." Anyone that lost real items on this is 100% entitled to call Sony and get a refund as there was no violation of the EULA and CCP has now revoked the by product of the money that was spent. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
MrShooter01 Ustio Mercenary Squadron 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:25:00 - [30] - Quote Email made me feel like a bad person I'm sorry, CCP, I promise I won't casually check out or use an incomplete new feature added to the game or play on patch day, and definitely not press any buttons in it How to mass mail like a pro: Quote: Dear players: After the progression chart was deployed, we became aware of a bug where it was possible to claim 5 copies of the APEX 'Serpent' Scout dropsuit for free. This was not intended, and unfortunately these claimed APEX suits must be removed from the game. If you have a legitimately purchased APEX 'Serpent' Scout, it will not be affected. According to our logs, your account has one or more of the illegitimate APEX suits and they have been removed from your inventory. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this bug.

Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 135	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:26:00 - [31] - Quote I wouldn't hold your breath to be honest. CCP has always had a soft spot for scammers and bad trades. Claiming it's part of the culture, now their just getting into the action I suppose. That said we still haven't gotten any kind of reimbursement from the last 20hr or so server crash either and the Dev's have been awfully silent on the whole affair. Dev responses in general, at least official ones about the game have been pretty sparse of late.
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:34:00 - [32] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items... No one can be absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one used these tools. There was no need to use them to claim the items and they were only claimable once per account. What this means is even if someone did use them it did not give anything at an accelerated rate and therefore still did not violate this section. If people were using multiple accounts then that is something different completely and should be addressed on those extra accounts not in a rage mail sent out to the entire population. It's a bit more difficult to spot people using bots to run macros gathering items off multiple accounts and PS3s. Namely, it's pretty standard practice for botters to send a percentage of their gains to random accounts (implication collateral damage). It's done as a way to cause more headache for people investigating botters to discern good player from exploiters with the eventual goal of getting people that investigate exploits to simply give up. The solution is to alter game mechanics that make it less lucrative to make farm bots in the first place. In Dust, we need to axe the passive item accrual of the Warbarge. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 136	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:34:00 - [33] - Quote lol just an update btw but just got an in game email from a GM. They finally did the refund for the last down time, rather generous too. Though I'm sure some people got out ahead more than others depending on how much you had lost. Far as I can tell I got 4 1 day active omega boosters and One 1 day amar booster. It's a bit hard given I wasn't 100% sure what I had before but I know I had no more faction boosters left.
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:37:00 - [34] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: I wouldn't hold your breath to be honest. CCP has always had a soft spot for scammers and bad trades. Claiming it's part of the culture, now their just getting into the action I suppose. That said we still haven't gotten any kind of reimbursement from the last 20hr or so server crash either and the Dev's have been awfully silent on the whole affair. Dev responses in general, at least official ones about the game have been pretty sparse of late. Not true. Please read. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=209876&find=unread Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 136	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:38:00 - [35] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: The solution is to alter game mechanics that make it less lucrative to make farm bots in the first place. In Dust, we need to axe the passive item accrual of the Warbarge. Eh it's already pretty bad if your not spending Arum on upgrading your farming accounts. Without doing pub matches for extra War barge rewards your looking at a long time to upgrade yours to the point where you get anything decent. 3-4 months at least to get to level 5 for the experimental labs, more if you want a half decent level in your WB production part too. Add to that you can't trade items or money till you hit rank 2, which is what 2-4k loyalty rank points? You get a whopping 5 points for logging in and maybe 1-5 from battles, if they actually work. Some times you can win a fight, earn over 3k wp and get no rank increase. And if you are spending real money on your farming accounts to increase your rank faster, well CCP makes money at least.
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:51:00 - [36] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: I have no problem with them being taken back and I intentionally stayed away from selling these to people. Actually your mention of collateral damage explains exactly what happened here. I have not spoken to anyone in game about it but I am assuming CCP did not bother reversing trades that were done for these so people are in fact out real money. This is even more of an issue as now CCP is referencing a point in the EULA that does not even apply to cover for the fact that they could not even clean up their mess in its entirety. Here is what the message really reads: "Sorry you traded boosters and isk and paid suits for suits that we took away but you are screwed. We have deleted these suits to ensure people will give us as much money as possible but will not clean up totally behind ourselves." Anyone that lost real items on this is 100% entitled to call Sony and get a refund as there was no violation of the EULA and CCP has now revoked the by product of the money that was spent. What you're asking for is a lot more difficult to track and time intensive to rectify. Under the current APEX suit removal process. [CCP Checks to see which account pressed the redeem button] > [determine location of APEX suit] > [Remove Item] > [Redeemed suit not on account] > [follow redeemed item tag] > [Remove Item] Cross Checking ISK and Item exchanges player may have made for an APEX suit. [Same process as above] > [Employee must individually investigate ISK transfers or Item transfers and make a judgement call or contact players to determine if the progression tab redeemed APEX was traded for ISK, another item, or just gifted] Cross checking, while a solution that would probably appease players, is not the optimal approach here with limited dev resources. The APEX removal script is the better path here, even with collateral damage involved. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:58:00 - [37] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: And if you are spending real money on your farming accounts to increase your rank faster, well CCP makes money at least. This statement is the reason why paying botters feel entitled to keep farming. They've payed the company and feel entitled for protection not to have their operations messed with. Ultimately, the practice of large scale farming is not good for the health of the game. The only way to be relevant in industry and trading is to pay for equipment and unlocking accounts. This is going to be even more of an issue once Chinese Gold farmers start coming on board with the console ban lifting. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206339&find=unread There is an RMT market for Dust. It's only going to expand if CCP doesn't address issues with passive item gains. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 137	Posted - 2015.07.28 20:08:00 - [38] - Quote Yeah the easier it is to make an account and get full access to the game the worst the bot problem gets. I used to play a game called DC universe online and it had a huge problem at one time with Gold bots shouting out sales pitches in popular public places like the Watch Tower.
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 190	Posted - 2015.07.28 20:22:00 - [39] - Quote I was BUY two of them, and CPP delete it.... So, i dont know, that seller claimed it, i was buy... CCP give me back my money (50 kk isk, get it from claimer and give it back to me). You read the log? So you see everythink. I was pay, he get money! dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 80 kk SP and growing
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 815	Posted - 2015.07.28 20:24:00 - [40] - Quote Yay! I was upset that I had missed out, but now I'm happy again :DDD The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)

Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 815	Posted - 2015.07.28 20:26:00 - [41] - Quote Aderek wrote: I was BUY two of them, and CPP delete it.... So, i dont know, that seller claimed it, i was buy... CCP give me back my money (50 kk isk, get it from claimer and give it back to me). You read the log? So you see everythink. I was pay, he get money! You do realize that you couldn't trade it right? They had it disabled for trade and CCP isn't that stupid, so I don't think your going to get money from them. The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 20:26:00 - [42] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... Wow accusing players of violating EULA when it was a claim button that they put in the game and seemed to be working just like the rest of the claim buttons. This is just a ** move CCP, way to try to pass the buck to the players when you are the screw up. Now being unpaid bug testers comes with getting accused of being a cheater. We did violate EULA though. Being ignorant of the law isn't an excuse when you break it, though most people have a general sense of when they're doing something wrong (enforcement of more esoteric laws is usually lacking - for example where I live if I were arrested without charge, upon being released I could demand a horse, a rifle & bullets for it and a weeks worth of food & supplies... but that's never going to happen despite it being part of the law). Fortunately due to the scale, the fact that most people were NOT serious abusers of the apex, and that the error largely happened on their end - very few punishments were actually handed out over this. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 143	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:07:00 - [43] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Aderek wrote: I was BUY two of them, and CPP delete it.... So, i dont know, that seller claimed it, i was buy... CCP give me back my money (50 kk isk, get it from claimer and give it back to me). You read the log? So you see everythink. I was pay, he get money! You do realize that you couldn't trade it right? They had it disabled for trade and CCP isn't that stupid, so I don't think your going to get money from them. Except that on patch day you could trade them and people did. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:25:00 - [44] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Wow accusing players of violating EULA when it was a claim button that they put in the game and seemed to be working just like the rest of the claim buttons. This is just a ** move CCP, way to try to pass the buck to the players when you are the screw up. Now being unpaid bug testers comes with getting accused of being a cheater. We did violate EULA though. Being ignorant of the law isn't an excuse when you break it, though most people have a general sense of when they're doing something wrong (enforcement of more esoteric laws is usually lacking - for example where I live if I were arrested without charge, upon being released I could demand a horse, a rifle & bullets for it and a weeks worth of food & supplies... but that's never going to happen despite it being part of the law). Fortunately due to the scale, the fact that most people were NOT serious abusers of the apex, and that the error largely happened on their end - very few punishments were actually handed out over this. deezy dabest wrote: First of all if you read the referenced section of the EULA it was not broken in any way by any one. Quote:** You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or [b]other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play[/b]. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. No one used any of the listed items or did anything other than take part in a function of the game which they set forth by CCP. I would argue that a claim button which was put in place by CCP and accessible to everyone in the game could also be perceived as normal game play by any player. There are no legal bases to cover as no one spent or lost any money and CCP simply reversed a bug which they caused. This was just a case of someone being butt hurt over having to clean up a mess and venting it on the player base. That is a new low. The EULA wording is vague and broad. As a technicality even CLICKING on the claim button constitutes a "pattern of play that facilitated the acquisition of items / objects at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary gameplay", and trading them for isk certainly was an eula violation. Their game, Their EULA, their choice of what to enforce when and where. What it comes down to is they are just using this as a reason to intentionally screw those who got caught in the cross fire of THEIR screw up because they have no ability and no desire to clean up behind them self. Dumping on people because they are worried about future sales on one suit is just plain bad business. The people who unknowingly traded real money items for these suits are the real losers here. I very much encourage them to call and get their money back from Sony as CCP has very clearly said they do not give a flying F about them and their loss. I stayed away from selling or trading those suits to anyone cause I expected a bad fall out but there are no words for the move that CCP pulled here. They should be ashamed of them self in every sense of the word. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 145	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:35:00 - [45] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: What it comes down to is they are just using this as a reason to intentionally screw those who got caught in the cross fire of THEIR screw up because they have no ability and no desire to clean up behind them self. Dumping on people because they are worried about future sales on one suit is just plain bad business. The people who unknowingly traded real money items for these suits are the real losers here. I very much encourage them to call and get their money back from Sony as CCP has very clearly said they do not give a flying F about them and their loss. I stayed away from selling or trading those suits to anyone cause I expected a bad fall out but there are no words for the move that CCP pulled here. They should be ashamed of them self in every sense of the word. Letting people keep items they didn't pay for is also bad business. They didn't dump on anyone, they removed I'll gotten items. That some people were dumb enough to buy them is on them. No mercy for people who saw a deal that was too good to be true and said yep, seems legit. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Darken-Sol Darken's Forge and Trade 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:43:00 - [46] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: Anaheim Darko wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did it say? Basically that we knowingly used an exploit of the game and went against the EULA terms and conditions, and that we shouldnGÇÿt do it again. Not our fault they canGÇÿt run a game properly... Wow accusing players of violating EULA when it was a claim button that they put in the game and seemed to be working just like the rest of the claim buttons. This is just a **** move CCP, way to try to pass the buck to the players when you are the screw up. Now being unpaid bug testers comes with getting accused of being a cheater. The havok caused by the sale of these bpos was not CCPs fault. No harm was done in any case unless you bought a serpent the first day. Again thats on the playerbase. Crush them
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:53:00 - [47] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: deezy dabest wrote: What it comes down to is they are just using this as a reason to intentionally screw those who got caught in the cross fire of THEIR screw up because they have no ability and no desire to clean up behind them self. Dumping on people because they are worried about future sales on one suit is just plain bad business. The people who unknowingly traded real money items for these suits are the real losers here. I very much encourage them to call and get their money back from Sony as CCP has very clearly said they do not give a flying F about them and their loss. I stayed away from selling or trading those suits to anyone cause I expected a bad fall out but there are no words for the move that CCP pulled here. They should be ashamed of them self in every sense of the word. Letting people keep items they didn't pay for is also bad business. They didn't dump on anyone, they removed I'll gotten items. That some people were dumb enough to buy them is on them. No mercy for people who saw a deal that was too good to be true and said yep, seems legit. I am talking about the people such as one guy that I know who traded his bought and paid for apex suit for one of the free ones before he knew they were bugged. Now the guy that traded him has a free BPO from that trade that was paid for with cash and my friend has nothing. He never claimed those suits and did not know about it until much later in the day yet he is out $20 while the person who exploited it is laughing. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
jonny battles Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 106	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:56:00 - [48] - Quote I forgot I had them unroll i got the mail this morning It was just that easy
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 21:57:00 - [49] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: General Mosquito wrote: deezy dabest wrote: What it comes down to is they are just using this as a reason to intentionally screw those who got caught in the cross fire of THEIR screw up because they have no ability and no desire to clean up behind them self. Dumping on people because they are worried about future sales on one suit is just plain bad business. The people who unknowingly traded real money items for these suits are the real losers here. I very much encourage them to call and get their money back from Sony as CCP has very clearly said they do not give a flying F about them and their loss. I stayed away from selling or trading those suits to anyone cause I expected a bad fall out but there are no words for the move that CCP pulled here. They should be ashamed of them self in every sense of the word. Letting people keep items they didn't pay for is also bad business. They didn't dump on anyone, they removed I'll gotten items. That some people were dumb enough to buy them is on them. No mercy for people who saw a deal that was too good to be true and said yep, seems legit. I am talking about the people such as one guy that I know who traded his bought and paid for apex suit for one of the free ones before he knew they were bugged. Now the guy that traded him has a free BPO from that trade that was paid for with cash and my friend has nothing. He never claimed those suits and did not know about it until much later in the day yet he is out $20 while the person who exploited it is laughing. Then file a fuxing ticket, my god, are you that rtarded? At some point in time, "your friend" will be reimbursed. it might not be today. It might not be this week, or hell even this month. But if you're not a shitweasling dickfart in your ticket, its going to get taken care of. Gawd. Frogking. Dammitch. You hit the threshold for stupid-induced rage, congrats. 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:00:00 - [50] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I have no problem with them being taken back and I intentionally stayed away from selling these to people. Actually your mention of collateral damage explains exactly what happened here. I have not spoken to anyone in game about it but I am assuming CCP did not bother reversing trades that were done for these so people are in fact out real money. This is even more of an issue as now CCP is referencing a point in the EULA that does not even apply to cover for the fact that they could not even clean up their mess in its entirety. Here is what the message really reads: "Sorry you traded boosters and isk and paid suits for suits that we took away but you are screwed. We have deleted these suits to ensure people will give us as much money as possible but will not clean up totally behind ourselves." Anyone that lost real items on this is 100% entitled to call Sony and get a refund as there was no violation of the EULA and CCP has now revoked the by product of the money that was spent. What you're asking for is a lot more difficult to track and time intensive to rectify. Under the current APEX suit removal process. [CCP Checks to see which account pressed the redeem button] > [determine location of APEX suit] > [Remove Item] > [Redeemed suit not on account] > [follow redeemed item tag] > [Remove Item] Cross Checking ISK and Item exchanges player may have made for an APEX suit. [Same process as above] > [Employee must individually investigate ISK transfers or Item transfers and make a judgement call or contact players to determine if the progression tab redeemed APEX was traded for ISK, another item, or just gifted] Cross checking, while a solution that would probably appease players, is not the optimal approach here with limited dev resources. The APEX removal script is the better path here, even with collateral damage involved. I do think that it would have been a bit more accurate to reverse all incoming ISK transfers from players who were marked having sent OUT an illegitimate suit during a reasonable timeframe after the trade. Unfortunately it seems that CCP either didn't consider that solution, or else didn't have the technical ability to effect it. There's a line between claiming the things and using them and selling them. People selling them almost certainly had a clear idea that something was off, and at the very least knew they were selling an asset to other players that those players could have easily gotten through the same mechanism. In short: It's hard to imagine a situation where a seller was legitimate. If you were to lose money for other items that you sold during the time frame, you would entirely deserve what was coming to you. deezy dabest wrote: I am talking about the people such as one guy that I know who traded his bought and paid for apex suit for one of the free ones before he knew they were bugged. Now the guy that traded him has a free BPO from that trade that was paid for with cash and my friend has nothing. He never claimed those suits and did not know about it until much later in the day yet he is out $20 while the person who exploited it is laughing. This strikes me as deeply contrived. Why on earth would someone trade one asset for an identical copy of the same asset? Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if you made this up, and even if you didn't my sympathies would be limited. In the hypothetical example, "your friend" was either trying to make money out of the chaotic situation, or else so lackadaisical as not to merit much sympathy. Have a pony

deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:42:00 - [51] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: This strikes me as deeply contrived. Why on earth would someone trade one asset for an identical copy of the same asset? Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if you made this up, and even if you didn't my sympathies would be limited. In the hypothetical example, "your friend" was either trying to make money out of the chaotic situation, or else so lackadaisical as not to merit much sympathy. No he did not trade the same suit. As an example he traded an APEX assault for that APEX scout. His assault is now gone forever and so is the scout leaving him with nothing after having spent X amount of dollars while the person in question is sitting there with an assault that he paid nothing for. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:44:00 - [52] - Quote CCP should have reversed ALL transfers for that day. If that left the people who sold those suits in the negative then good. Instead they just deleted the suits and sent out spam accusing the entire player base of cheating to cover their self on the people who unknowingly bought one of these suits and got totally screwed. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:54:00 - [53] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: CCP should have reversed ALL transfers for that day. If that left the people who sold those suits in the negative then good. Instead they just deleted the suits and sent out spam accusing the entire player base of cheating to cover their self on the people who unknowingly bought one of these suits and got totally screwed. Anyone. Who. Clicked. The. Claim. Button. DID. Make. Use. Of. An. Exploit. And. Violated. EULA. I don't care what you have to say about it, because you are having an opinion on something that is a FACT. Opinions about facts do not matter. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:59:00 - [54] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: deezy dabest wrote: CCP should have reversed ALL transfers for that day. If that left the people who sold those suits in the negative then good. Instead they just deleted the suits and sent out spam accusing the entire player base of cheating to cover their self on the people who unknowingly bought one of these suits and got totally screwed. Anyone. Who. Clicked. The. Claim. Button. DID. Make. Use. Of. An. Exploit. And. Violated. EULA. I don't care what you have to say about it, because you are having an opinion on something that is a FACT. Opinions about facts do not matter. The people who really got their teeth kicked in here is the ones who did NOT click the claim button. Otherwise they would not have been trading paid for items and millions of ISK for them. Obviously you are way too fan boy to follow what an exploit is so I will just leave that conversation be. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. 1	Posted - 2015.07.28 23:06:00 - [55] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: This strikes me as deeply contrived. Why on earth would someone trade one asset for an identical copy of the same asset? Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if you made this up, and even if you didn't my sympathies would be limited. In the hypothetical example, "your friend" was either trying to make money out of the chaotic situation, or else so lackadaisical as not to merit much sympathy. No he did not trade the same suit. As an example he traded an APEX assault for that APEX scout. His assault is now gone forever and so is the scout leaving him with nothing after having spent X amount of dollars while the person in question is sitting there with an assault that he paid nothing for. I see. Yeah I virtually guarantee that if he files a ticket then they'll eventually get around to resolving that. Have a pony
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 23:12:00 - [56] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: This strikes me as deeply contrived. Why on earth would someone trade one asset for an identical copy of the same asset? Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if you made this up, and even if you didn't my sympathies would be limited. In the hypothetical example, "your friend" was either trying to make money out of the chaotic situation, or else so lackadaisical as not to merit much sympathy. No he did not trade the same suit. As an example he traded an APEX assault for that APEX scout. His assault is now gone forever and so is the scout leaving him with nothing after having spent X amount of dollars while the person in question is sitting there with an assault that he paid nothing for. I see. Yeah I virtually guarantee that if he files a ticket then they'll eventually get around to resolving that. The simple solution here which was actually fair to everyone would have been to reverse all transfers for that day. Sure it would have made some ISK problems but it would have actually protected the players from CCPs screw up and actually punished those who knowingly exploited this instead of rewarding them. I really do not care either way as I ran those suits a couple of times and then forgot about them as it was obviously a glitch. Honestly at this point I am wishing I would have ripped some people off instead. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 23:16:00 - [57] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: This strikes me as deeply contrived. Why on earth would someone trade one asset for an identical copy of the same asset? Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if you made this up, and even if you didn't my sympathies would be limited. In the hypothetical example, "your friend" was either trying to make money out of the chaotic situation, or else so lackadaisical as not to merit much sympathy. No he did not trade the same suit. As an example he traded an APEX assault for that APEX scout. His assault is now gone forever and so is the scout leaving him with nothing after having spent X amount of dollars while the person in question is sitting there with an assault that he paid nothing for. I see. Yeah I virtually guarantee that if he files a ticket then they'll eventually get around to resolving that. The simple solution here which was actually fair to everyone would have been to reverse all transfers for that day. Sure it would have made some ISK problems but it would have actually protected the players from CCPs screw up and actually punished those who knowingly exploited this instead of rewarding them. I really do not care either way as I ran those suits a couple of times and then forgot about them as it was obviously a glitch. Honestly at this point I am wishing I would have ripped some people off instead. Dude, the simple solution is you filing a ticket and getting your issue resolved. Having ccp reversing all transactions is far more complex then you're willing to admit and quite possibly going to eff things up so much more. And we dont want that now do we? 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 23:24:00 - [58] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Dude, the simple solution is you filing a ticket and getting your issue resolved. Having ccp reversing all transactions is far more complex then you're willing to admit and quite possibly going to eff things up so much more. And we dont want that now do we? AS I said I did not sell or purchase any of these suits and I do not care that my 5 are gone as I never should have had them. Others are not so lucky and many of the unwilling participants in this do not even know how to file a ticket or that they should as they have now been accused of exploiting the game. Im not sure you can screw things up more than costing people real money and then accusing them of exploiting the game when they did absolutely nothing wrong. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 138	Posted - 2015.07.28 23:24:00 - [59] - Quote Honestly I think the thing I hate the most about the view on this bug is everyone thinks people knew about it. Unless you live on the forums, checking every little post you don't know. I didn't even know about the bug really until after it had been fixed. Day of I'm sure people clicked on it and got their scout without knowing why, it's not like how to use the new interface was really described in game at all. People also assume that anyone who bought a serpent scout day 1 were looking for deals to good to be true, but I'm sure before the bug became wide spread there were more than a few people who paid full price for what they thought was a normal suit. I am glad to see the suits gone. It was a plague to see most new players running those things in pub and FW matches because it was the only Apex they had. That said I do think the solution left more than a few people hanging in the wind, and none of them the people who actually violated the rules (according to CCP at least). The people who abused the bug to get the suit profited via the money they made selling it while those who bought the item more than likely without using the same exploit get the shaft.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 821	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:15:00 - [60] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Aderek wrote: I was BUY two of them, and CPP delete it.... So, i dont know, that seller claimed it, i was buy... CCP give me back my money (50 kk isk, get it from claimer and give it back to me). You read the log? So you see everythink. I was pay, he get money! You do realize that you couldn't trade it right? They had it disabled for trade and CCP isn't that stupid, so I don't think your going to get money from them. Except that on patch day you could trade them and people did. People should have known better >.> The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)

Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 27	Posted - 2015.07.29 01:44:00 - [61] - Quote Oh come on! Don't pretend to be all shocked and pretend this wasn't going to happen sooner or later... The revisionists in here trying to claim the Serpent Scout was a trash suit and they never liked it anyway make me LOLz
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 27	Posted - 2015.07.29 01:47:00 - [62] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: General Mosquito wrote: deezy dabest wrote: What it comes down to is they are just using this as a reason to intentionally screw those who got caught in the cross fire of THEIR screw up because they have no ability and no desire to clean up behind them self. Dumping on people because they are worried about future sales on one suit is just plain bad business. The people who unknowingly traded real money items for these suits are the real losers here. I very much encourage them to call and get their money back from Sony as CCP has very clearly said they do not give a flying F about them and their loss. I stayed away from selling or trading those suits to anyone cause I expected a bad fall out but there are no words for the move that CCP pulled here. They should be ashamed of them self in every sense of the word. Letting people keep items they didn't pay for is also bad business. They didn't dump on anyone, they removed I'll gotten items. That some people were dumb enough to buy them is on them. No mercy for people who saw a deal that was too good to be true and said yep, seems legit. I am talking about the people such as one guy that I know who traded his bought and paid for apex suit for one of the free ones before he knew they were bugged. Now the guy that traded him has a free BPO from that trade that was paid for with cash and my friend has nothing. He never claimed those suits and did not know about it until much later in the day yet he is out $20 while the person who exploited it is laughing. So the bright side is your friend got a seminar on "How NOT to be a sucker" that only cost him $20! Hope he took the lesson to heart, because the next seminar will end up costing him much more than that...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 02:53:00 - [63] - Quote Honestly, what CCP could have done to make this less painful for the buyers of these "claimed" APEX suits is reverse the ISK/Item-for-Item transaction between the buyer and seller since CCP does have such records, and then remove the "claimed" APEX suits from the inventory. This way, the buyer who got the APEX from the player who "claimed" it will be refunded while the player who "claimed" it will either be negative ISK, lose the "claimed" APEX or both. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 190	Posted - 2015.07.29 07:54:00 - [64] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Aderek wrote: I was BUY two of them, and CPP delete it.... So, i dont know, that seller claimed it, i was buy... CCP give me back my money (50 kk isk, get it from claimer and give it back to me). You read the log? So you see everythink. I was pay, he get money! You do realize that you couldn't trade it right? They had it disabled for trade and CCP isn't that stupid, so I don't think your going to get money from them. No, i was buy it before they find a bug and disable trade. So, i was pay, i get dropsuit. Yesterday CCP told me, that i was CLAIM and remove it for my asset... dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 80 kk SP and growing
Anaheim Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 978	Posted - 2015.07.29 07:57:00 - [65] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Honestly, what CCP could have done to make this less painful for the buyers of these "claimed" APEX suits is reverse the ISK/Item-for-Item transaction between the buyer and seller since CCP does have such records, and then remove the "claimed" APEX suits from the inventory. This way, the buyer who got the APEX from the player who "claimed" it will be refunded while the player who "claimed" it will either be negative ISK, lose the "claimed" APEX or both. Whilst you can be relatively sure any ISK/item transaction conducted at the same time was in exchange for the scout, you can't be certain. Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 190	Posted - 2015.07.29 07:58:00 - [66] - Quote SO, we on 4 page and CCP not see our problem? dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 80 kk SP and growing
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens RUST415 140	Posted - 2015.07.29 08:26:00 - [67] - Quote Well as much I would of loved to see something done about the potential loss due to trades there is another issue people might not consider. Simply put not everyone still has the money. Say you bought a suit for 20m, what if the guy you sold it too doesn't have that 20m any more? Would he go into negative isk? would money appear out of no where and you would receive the money but the seller wouldn't lose it?
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 190	Posted - 2015.07.29 08:32:00 - [68] - Quote ONLY, IF HE NOT RECIVED. But, in my trade, he recived ISK. dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 80 kk SP and growing
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. 303	Posted - 2015.07.29 09:29:00 - [69] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I have to say I didn't like the tone of the mail. If you don't want stuff like that to happen then take better control of your game. Damn CCP. What did you expect? People tried to mug them off. Quite right. You act like a mug you get treated like one. The problem is that according to CCP itGÇÿs somehow my fault. I didnGÇÿt do anything wrong. I recieved it through the game. I didnGÇÿt mod it, I didnGÇÿt tamper with the game in anyway and I didnGÇÿt knowingly trade it. so why am I being spoken to like that? ItGÇÿs not how you treat your customers itGÇÿs disrespectful and rude. I have every right to be annoyed.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:58:00 - [70] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Well as much I would of loved to see something done about the potential loss due to trades there is another issue people might not consider. Simply put not everyone still has the money. Say you bought a suit for 20m, what if the guy you sold it too doesn't have that 20m any more? Would he go into negative isk? would money appear out of no where and you would receive the money but the seller wouldn't lose it? There is a long history of people going negative when things are reversed. All CCP had to do is reverse all trades incoming and outgoing for that day. The real exploiters who sold the suits and ripped people off would possibly go negative on ISK, officer weapons, and boosters but at least then the real exploiters are the ones being punished instead of unsuspecting people losing ISK and real items only to later be accused of being an exploiter when they did absolutely nothing wrong. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.

IVIaster LUKE Art.of.Death 941	Posted - 2015.07.29 13:24:00 - [71] - Quote I just saw that the 'Serpent' APEX is going for 80-100 million ISK in certain trade channels. One guy says he can't play without it, something about the suit matches his COD style of play. I be running that 'THALE' Militia BPO Dropsuit.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 13:47:00 - [72] - Quote Aderek wrote: ONLY, IF HE NOT RECIVED. But, in my trade, he recived ISK. File. A. Ticket. Say pretty please, be calm and nice, and explain what happened. You'll have much better luck with that then here on the forums. 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 157	Posted - 2015.07.29 13:49:00 - [73] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Well as much I would of loved to see something done about the potential loss due to trades there is another issue people might not consider. Simply put not everyone still has the money. Say you bought a suit for 20m, what if the guy you sold it too doesn't have that 20m any more? Would he go into negative isk? would money appear out of no where and you would receive the money but the seller wouldn't lose it? There is a long history of people going negative when things are reversed. All CCP had to do is reverse all trades incoming and outgoing for that day. The real exploiters who sold the suits and ripped people off would possibly go negative on ISK, officer weapons, and boosters but at least then the real exploiters are the ones being punished instead of unsuspecting people losing ISK and real items only to later be accused of being an exploiter when they did absolutely nothing wrong. A long history? It happened once in dust and it destroyed the economy. Plenty of people laundered the money through their corps and doubled their half billion. I don't feel bad for the people who got screwed. You don't get to keep stolen property. Now if those people put in tickets, CCP might hook them up. But if they do, we won't hear about it because that breaks the EULA. Did your "friends" submit tickets? General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 13:54:00 - [74] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Aderek wrote: ONLY, IF HE NOT RECIVED. But, in my trade, he recived ISK. File. A. Ticket. Say pretty please, be calm and nice, and explain what happened. You'll have much better luck with that then here on the forums. It's almost like they are drama queens. Ill give him the benefit of the doubt because of language barriers. Everyone else though, can just eff right off. 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 160	Posted - 2015.07.29 13:59:00 - [75] - Quote For sure the polish dude is the only one I empathize with. No forum section, but hopefully Google translate will do him a solid. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.


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