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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.07.27 21:36:00 -
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I'd like to propose adding allegiance as a feature.
Basic idea:
Choose your racial allegiance to represent in all all game types, including pubs.
How it would work:
When you create a new character and choosing your race, you are also choosing 'allegiance' for that race.
When playing pubs (or any game type) 1% of your WP will be converted to LP of your race, as you are representing your faction.
The longer you stay with your faction, the larger your LP bonus per match (up to 5% max)
Changing allegiance:
Many of us are stuck with a race we don't like, or merc quarters for that matter.
To switch allegiance, you would pay 10K LP of faction you want to switch to + 1,000,000 ISK. (or Aurum)
When you switch allegiance, your forum picture, merc quarters, and LP bonus will be switched.
Not patriotic to any one race? No problem.
Choose 'Pirate Allegiance' and get fat juicy ISK instead of LP every battle.
Pirate allegiance stays at 3% ISK however and never builds up.
What will this do?
- Add depth for role players - Add the dynamic of representing/fighting for your faction at all times, even in pubs. - Allow people to switch quarters, forums pics they hate - Earn $money$ for CCP
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Terry Webber
Molon Labe. RUST415
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Posted - 2015.07.28 00:05:00 -
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This sounds cool and it would really help out players that are having a hard time in faction warfare.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.07.28 04:17:00 -
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I like this idea Talos you are freaking me out a littleGǪ I was thinking that we should have a Faction Section in the skill tree, that had skill books that cost LP (perhaps in the same area as the Corp Skill) but I had no idea what it should unlock. Similar in thought to what you posted here. Which is probably why i like this idea.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.07.28 16:53:00 -
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I suggest a cooldown on doing this.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 16:57:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I suggest a cooldown on doing this.
Instead of requiring 10K LP of faction want to swear allegiance to + 1,000,000 ISK? Or in addition to?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:07:00 -
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Either would do. I just think it's important to ensure that people don't frequently switch depending on how they're feeling.
Arkena Wyrnspire - CPM2 candidate
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Starlight Burner
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:09:00 -
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Hell yes.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:18:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Either would do. I just think it's important to ensure that people don't frequently switch depending on how they're feeling.
Agreed.
Which is why I proposed requiring LP of said race, ISK, and having a progressive bonus based on time remained loyal. Switching resets you to 1%
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:23:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:To switch allegiance, you would pay 10K LP of faction you want to switch to + 1,000,000 ISK. (or Aurum) I like using LP for the faction to purchase a change in citizenship.
I think there should be a minimum Faction Standing that should be required as well. In order to gain citizenship it would make sense that you would have to have good standing with that faction.
I also like the AUR option. There are a lot of places where you can buy citizenship and bypass a lot of red tape if you are a big spender, and this would help fund the game.
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:10:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:I'd like to propose adding allegiance as a feature.
Basic idea:
Choose your racial allegiance to represent in all all game types, including pubs.
How it would work:
When you create a new character and choosing your race, you are also choosing 'allegiance' for that race.
When playing pubs (or any game type) 1% of your WP will be converted to LP of your race, as you are representing your faction.
The longer you stay with your faction, the larger your LP bonus per match (up to 5% max)
Changing allegiance:
Many of us are stuck with a race we don't like, or merc quarters for that matter.
To switch allegiance, you would pay 10K LP of faction you want to switch to + 1,000,000 ISK. (or Aurum)
When you switch allegiance, your forum picture, merc quarters, and LP bonus will be switched.
Not patriotic to any one race? No problem.
Choose 'Pirate Allegiance' and get fat juicy ISK instead of LP every battle.
Pirate allegiance stays at 3% ISK however and never builds up.
What will this do?
- Add depth for role players - Add the dynamic of representing/fighting for your faction at all times, even in pubs. - Allow people to switch quarters, forums pics they hate - Earn $money$ for CCP Limit choice, diversity, freedom, and Mercanics. No. Bad idea, or needs revision to not make me have to choose 1.
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:14:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Either would do. I just think it's important to ensure that people don't frequently switch depending on how they're feeling. And I think its important to have the ability to change anything in DUST based exactly on how we are feeling. Never accept ANY suggestion that imposes more of the can't do. FTFU
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:54:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:I'd like to propose adding allegiance as a feature.
Basic idea:
Choose your racial allegiance to represent in all all game types, including pubs.
How it would work:
When you create a new character and choosing your race, you are also choosing 'allegiance' for that race.
When playing pubs (or any game type) 1% of your WP will be converted to LP of your race, as you are representing your faction.
The longer you stay with your faction, the larger your LP bonus per match (up to 5% max)
Changing allegiance:
Many of us are stuck with a race we don't like, or merc quarters for that matter.
To switch allegiance, you would pay 10K LP of faction you want to switch to + 1,000,000 ISK. (or Aurum)
When you switch allegiance, your forum picture, merc quarters, and LP bonus will be switched.
Not patriotic to any one race? No problem.
Choose 'Pirate Allegiance' and get fat juicy ISK instead of LP every battle.
Pirate allegiance stays at 3% ISK however and never builds up.
What will this do?
- Add depth for role players - Add the dynamic of representing/fighting for your faction at all times, even in pubs. - Allow people to switch quarters, forums pics they hate - Earn $money$ for CCP Limit choice, diversity, freedom, and Mercanics. No. Bad idea, or needs revision to not make me have to choose 1.
Lol, hope this is an attempted troll response.
You are currently forced to choose one race and stick with that, I'm proposing you be allowed to change it and get a bonus for it.
Troll attempt 1/10
Next please.
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Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.29 00:25:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:To switch allegiance, you would pay 10K LP of faction you want to switch to + 1,000,000 ISK. (or Aurum) I like using LP for the faction to purchase a change in citizenship. I think there should be a minimum Faction Standing that should be required as well. In order to gain citizenship it would make sense that you would have to have good standing with that faction. I also like the AUR option. There are a lot of places where you can buy citizenship and bypass a lot of red tape if you are a big spender, and this would help fund the game.
this should be an AUR option, it means F2P characters would have to wait to build up their AUR along with standings for the faction they want to join (minimum level 5 seems fair)
the price could be about 15k aur meaning a F2P character would have to build up their passive AUR for about 6 months or they could buy a pass or "visa" of some sort from someone else for isk that was bought with AUR for the same price
this makes more money for CCP and loyal members of different factions could freely switch between factions if they are willing to spend and F2P characters can build up for the change
I also think that there should be an option to be transported to other regions this would be a cost of 1-3k AUR increasing 0.5k every time you move and the first time should be free (merc quarters should be determined by where you live in space so you could have a gal character living in Caldari space loyal to whatever faction they prefer)
for role players the freedom to choose who they are what they are and what or who they are fighting for these options would be great allowing them to choose their own path and be unique in their own way
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.29 01:21:00 -
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I'd certainly like to see a feature like this but I think the presentation of it should be more mature than a simple One-off decision. I like the contracts system people have suggested we introduce.
If I were even willing to dream on the subject I think it would also be very cool to get specific quarters for applying to a specific faction especially if you commit to indefinite periods of service. I'd love to live in the corner room of a station/building looking out over a city/space/ocean/etc.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.07.29 01:23:00 -
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So is this a FW rank name thread?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.29 01:44:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:So is this a FW rank name thread?
No. More a system for denoting ones allegiance to a specific faction in a visible manner, that is if I am not woefully misinterpreting the thread.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Regnier Feros
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.29 10:59:00 -
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+1 though allegiance switching price hmm..
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:57:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:+1 though allegiance switching price hmm..
Price open to debate.
I feel it's the best way to prevent loyalty hopping, a long with the build-up over time method.
Open to alternative suggestions!
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Coincidental Jones
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2015.08.02 13:29:00 -
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Sounds good to me, especially if everyone got to start at the Max Tier for the race they initially chose at Character Creation.
An alternative method for preventing people swapping too frequently would be to have it time-limited, say once per year, with the option to use AUR to gain the swap earlier. Anything I don't want that CCP can profit off is good by me! |
Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.08.02 13:41:00 -
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Coincidental Jones wrote:Sounds good to me, especially if everyone got to start at the Max Tier for the race they initially chose at Character Creation.
An alternative method for preventing people swapping too frequently would be to have it time-limited, say once per year, with the option to use AUR to gain the swap earlier. Anything I don't want that CCP can profit off is good by me! Once per year is too extreme, a simple cool down will do.
I'm not one for limiting people's mercenary aspect of this game so an unloyal mercenary option should be available, just add incentives for picking an allegiance rather than the other way around. FW needs more incentives to win and try as much as possible so that can be worked in.
Back to cool down time between allegiances, make it a week cool down time and in the day you turn in your alligience you're banned from FW for the remainder of that day and a full day (to avoid last second downtime switches) then for the rest of the cool down period you can't choose the allegiance function again until its over.
I feel like we'd have to do something to standings as well if we were to have a allied and mercenary FW....not sure. I do know that if this system did ever exist we should also get access to special items (experimental tier) assets for choosing to be allied and staying with that faction.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.08.02 15:29:00 -
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Personally I don't think a cooldown would be necessary.
- There would already be a progressive build up 1%-5%, probably over the course of several months. Meaning hopping is not ideal.
- There is also the cost of 10K LP + 1,000,000 ISK (or just aurum)
I feel that's enough, if someone wants to keep paying and losing their built up bonus to switch allegiances then so be it.
As a further incentive for loyalists, I would propose some sort of little bonus for mercs who have stayed loyal for 6 months or more, such as having the faction logo displayed beside your name
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.08.02 15:42:00 -
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Wait, are you saying it would cost LP to join or leave an alliance?
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.08.02 15:50:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Wait, are you saying it would cost LP to join or leave an alliance?
Allegiance, not alliance
Example: You are Gallente.
Today you would have the %5 LP bonus based on your WP per match.
If you wanted to switch to Caldari, it would cost you 10,000 Caldari LP + 1,000,000 ISK.
You would then earn 1% Cal LP based off WP and get the chance to work your way up to 5%.
The point of requiring LP to switch is to ensure you must fight for the race a bit first and prove loyalty before being eligible.
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.08.02 17:22:00 -
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The Gallente and Minmatar share an alliance. Hence alliance, which allegiance an alliance have the same root meaning. When you are allied with Caldari you are in turn allied with Amarr and vice versa.
I may be missing points but I assume that you're considering Gallente and Mimatar being allied with each other and not have a allegiance for two races of your choice?
Amarr and Gallente allegiance would be beyond the bounds of immersion breaking. As far as "pirate allegiance" goes....pirate? You mean just be a mercenary for all of them? Pirate would emply that you're playing for Serpentis, Angel Cartel, Blood Raiders and such, which actually opens up for a good idea to spiral off on but would not be appropriate in calling a mercenary function a pirate function.
Pirate has a strong stigma to it in New Eden not to be tossed around at fancy, even when compared to mercenaries.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.08.02 17:32:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:The Gallente and Minmatar share an alliance. Hence alliance, which allegiance an alliance have the same root meaning. When you are allied with Caldari you are in turn allied with Amarr and vice versa.
I may be missing points but I assume that you're considering Gallente and Mimatar being allied with each other and not have a allegiance for two races of your choice?
Amarr and Gallente allegiance would be beyond the bounds of immersion breaking. As far as "pirate allegiance" goes....pirate? You mean just be a mercenary for all of them? Pirate would emply that you're playing for Serpentis, Angel Cartel, Blood Raiders and such, which actually opens up for a good idea to spiral off on but would not be appropriate in calling a mercenary function a pirate function.
Pirate has a strong stigma to it in New Eden not to be tossed around at fancy, even when compared to mercenaries.
Not quite...
I'm not suggesting anything to do with being in an alliance with multiple races.
My suggestion is for a single merc to be able to 'swear allegiance' to one single particular faction, and gain benefits from that one, single specific faction for doing so.
If you 'swear allegiance' to Amarr for example, you more or less become an amarr, and gain the slight LP bonus I suggested. By reasons of lore you are 'allied' with the Caldari, but that's up to you. It will not reflect in game-play, just as it doesn't now.
I'm not suggesting this bonus would be 'alliance wide'.
As for the pirate loyalty. Certainly open to alternate name suggestions if you don't think "pirate" works. But not all players are loyalists, and therefore I think there should be an option for people who don't want to identify with a particular faction.
Hope that clears it up
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.08.02 17:37:00 -
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Mercenary would be just fine, I'm alright with slight deviations from how EVE does it so I do feel that there should be a mercenary option for all races. It just wouldn't have the benefit of being loyal which is fine.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.08.02 19:33:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Personally I don't think a cooldown would be necessary.
- There would already be a progressive build up 1%-5%, probably over the course of several months. Meaning hopping is not ideal.
- There is also the cost of 10K LP + 1,000,000 ISK (or just aurum)
I feel that's enough, if someone wants to keep paying and losing their built up bonus to switch allegiances then so be it.
As a further incentive for loyalists, I would propose some sort of little bonus for mercs who have stayed loyal for 6 months or more, such as having the faction logo displayed beside your name
That barely constitutes a meaningful punishment. I would have suggested a more affecting series of negative modifiers that actually would have punished a player for a few days if I'd thought the concept would gain a measure of support.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.08.02 19:38:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:
If you 'swear allegiance' to Amarr for example, you more or less become an amarr
You simply don't. In Dust 514 we accept that due to a number of CONCORD mandates we cannot are not a representative of our empires for any reason.....we are more or less political null entities. Should we choose it we can be 'employed' by a corporation that represents one of the New Eden Empire factions but we are not an official member of that group, we do not speak for it, we do not represent it, and you certainly do not just 'become' integrated into a faction by giving your word.
This is why I like the contracts idea so much. We're basically signing away some of our freedom for the right to legally privateer in the name of our chosen faction during which time after a suitable length of service our chosen Empire rewards us.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.08.02 19:53:00 -
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True is 100% correct
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:34:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:
If you 'swear allegiance' to Amarr for example, you more or less become an amarr
You simply don't. In Dust 514 we accept that due to a number of CONCORD mandates we cannot are be or are not a representative of our empires for any reason.....we are more or less political null entities. Should we choose it we can be 'employed' by a corporation that represents one of the New Eden Empire factions but we are not an official member of that group, we do not speak for it, we do not represent it, and you certainly do not just 'become' integrated into a faction by giving your word. This is why I like the contracts idea so much. We're basically signing away some of our freedom for the right to legally privateer in the name of our chosen faction during which time after a suitable length of service our chosen Empire rewards us.
Rule number 1.
Always make the lore work around the gameplay. Uplink are the perfect example.
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