Love this idea! Also love the concept of "strategic items" being sold via DK Market.

Are you thinking this "Raid Screen" should render a district immune to raids permanently or should it be a consumable item (i.e. immune to raids for, say, 48 hours)?

Shouldn't be hard, I'm a very aggressive player and take a lot of risks/chances in order to put the hurt on the enemy.

My fitting line-up (all are proto, all have flux grenades, and all have drop uplinks):

Gallente Assault - Lightly armored with biotics and myrofibrils.
Caldari Assault - Completely shield tanked with an Assault Rail Rifle, no grenades/equipment.
Minmatar Assault - Super light shield tank with biotic focus.
Gallente Logi - Precision enhancers with a light armor tank and scanners.
Caldari Logi - Heavy shield tank with triage hives.
Minmatar Logi - (I rarely use this fit and honestly don't even remember what it is)
Amarr Logi - Imperial Flux Uplinks with heavy armor
Minmatar Commando - Mass Driver / ACR with shield regen focus.
Amarr Scout - Walking passive radar, designed to first find targets on passives with 18db precision and then scan them with Proximity Scanner.

Only one you should really have any trouble with now is my Sniper fitting, which you're going to have to figure out yourself

Most likely your sniper fit is a Commando ck.0 with shield ex. and dmg mods right?

Most likely your sniper fit is a Commando ck.0 with shield ex. and dmg mods right?

Slender if my PS3 didn't keep over-heating 3 minutes into a match I'd be there :(

Oh well, least I have hentai.

I find it quite pathetic how losing is encouraged with the intent of "Making Isk". Thanks for the crap shows Rattati!

How dare teams without 16 people at 25m+ SP, full proto, and a 65+% win ratio expect mechanics that allow them to recoup some of their losses while trying to move into PC!

You're absolutely right, PC should consist of barely a handful of vets who own all of Molden Heath and never train anyone. We should go back to the old passive ISK faucets since clearly the reason there's no activity is because there's "no incentive" to play PC. That's the only way to return PC to health, especially considering that it did so well at maintaining a community in the past.

As for your first part, agreed, it can be useful but it only really works if the team puts in some effort. What I have a problem with is people actually going into the battle with the idea of capitalizing on this mechanic. In practicality it doesn't pan out.

As to your second part, I said nothing of the sort. And honestly the "isk faucet" was before our previous payout mechanics time when we had passive isk generation. I prefered our previous payout system and why it couldn't be worked out to curb exploiting and maybe even benefit the losers I don't know.

I don't mind the losers getting a cut of pay, but when you actually incentivize playing poorly or not at the top level of gameplay, I have problems. As is expected with our current system. And honestly, it's not PC players fault that we try hard in PC.

Do you even know the sheer number of districts given away to smaller corps by big corps in PC with hopes they would come up in their own and give us some challenge. I know it's a rather large number, so there shouldn't be any excuses as the big guys up top are typically willing to help out. It's up to the small guys to put in the work and grow their power, not us.

All I could ever say to those small corps trying to break in, man up or go home. If you want to win then go in and out with that mentality. This is new eden after all HTFU and welcome to the sandbox.

I don't mind the pay out system being approached slowly. PC payouts have burned CCP so many times, I understand the reluctance to make them too profitable with all the rigging that has occurred.

I think when raiding comes into play we will see smaller corps work into the mix of PC due to the low risk, low organization, and some big guys will raid smaller corps "For Fun". Don't be surprised if the above person is in the "For Fun" group.

The hardest thing for a new corp to do is get a solid FC. That job sucks!!! The only reward is maybe a little respect, but you shoulder a ton of work and blame. Anyone who says HTFU has never been a FC. you yell at your own team mates and are the jerk who has to keep everyone in line. No one likes that guy.

Ask some of the best. There is a reason so many CEOs have to FC themselves.
If you think you are helping a fledgling corp into PC, then teach them how to FC. Everyone knows Teamwork is OP.

I don't mind the losers getting a cut of pay, but when you actually incentivize playing poorly or not at the top level of gameplay, I have problems. As is expected with our current system. And honestly, it's not PC players fault that we try hard in PC.

Yes, this is how it works.

OH had a PC battle (might have well been a no show) against a full 16 that literally grouped up in MLT gear thinking they were going to capitalize on this terrible "feature". 15 wasted minutes later, we come out victorious with a whooping 2 clones lost!

Doing some quick calculations here.

300k/16, the enemy team came out with around 18K a piece. With our numerous kills, we managed to net 18k for our side a piece off BPO and MLT gear. And I'm not sure but the guy who lost 2 clones on our side may have been running a bpo, further dropping their payout to 1k per player.

I find it quite pathetic how losing is encouraged with the intent of "Making Isk". Thanks for the crap shows Rattati!


In anycase Jakek, it should be quite interesting for you. One, running all bpo and MLT, you will likely get redlined from the start. That or the only point you will hold is your home point. When the enemy team realizes you are running cheap gear and not trying to win, they will switch and do the same. At least some will and the rest will hang back just in case someone does try to hack a point.

Look, even if you manage to kill 25 clones at 150k a pop, it will still only net you a payout with a full 16 of 187k. And that's assuming they run full proto the whole match, of which they likely won't.

Sure I find this idea of "bleeding their wallets" neat, but it's just not practical. You simply won't make money in PC unless you own a district. You aren't going to bleed anything unless you risk something yourself. I've had payouts upwards to 2mil where both sides were putting up a good fight.

Then we have these fights where people try to make money off of this mechanic that end up being a bigger waste of time for BOTH sides. I'm telling you right now, don't bother, but you will soon find out. Better off trying this on some noob corp in PC, NF will be wise to this tactic.

And for flux sake, can you people quit trying to lose and actually give us a good fight, or just a fight period. Want to make isk, go play FW or Pubs like the rest of us and USE that isk to put up a fight in PC. So sick of PC anymore. Let's just go waste our time against someone that won't even put in half an effort.

screw proto then. From i hear APEX is the way to go and make profit! How sad has PC become. The place where the elite players used to play now turned into a circus.

Those players must not be Elite if they still need to farm ISK...

why do you always like my comment and talk s**t? What you said made absolutely no sense. No they dont farm isk because they have been gone since early 2014 when DNS dissolved.

Oh please, don't start ****-stroking; i like every comment.
Before no-showing, districts gave passive rewards. That in itself was a MASSIVE ISK influx, boosting the economy. Elite players woud have been around then, filling their wallets. PC hasn't become sad (who the **** are you ringing for these days?) some battles are actual fights. You are wrong.

i havent taken dust seriously since ESO came out a month ago. The only people i ring for is Cap Aq because they have been long time friends since 2013 (when PC fights were actual pc fights) None of this APEX/patty cake crap that i am hearing about.

Loser gets no ISK.

A non-district holding Corp should make money off using a CP attack, using only militia BPO's if they manage to inflict some losses.

Did anyone else see a paradox here, or is it just me?

How is a non-district holding corp supposed to make money if they only inflict "some losses" while the loser gets no ISK?

Not underestimating boredom in the least. Hell we team kill each other in no shows out of the sheer boredom of sitting in a match with nothing to do.

Thing is, we have gotten quite wise to this tactic. If you want to try it, be my guest. We will without a doubt, pull BPO's and minimize losses to make sure you DON'T get anything resembling a payout.